Fire Coyle, Fire Fleck! Rip the Band-Aid off!!!

Gosh, yes. Wish they would have spent money for an on campus stadium, a hot up and coming HC, better facilities for strength/conditioning and practice.
Great decisions moving FROM campus to dt Minneapolis, hiring Jim Wacker, hiring Tim Brewster, being scared $hitless of doing anything with nil enabling others to lead. Ignoring and Not funding the programs for decades.

Solid.
 

It’s really disturbing that the majority of Gophers fans are fine with Fleck as long as he leads the team to a low-tier bowl game most years.

If Iowa’s coach were 1-8 against Minnesota, Iowa’s fans would be calling for his head.
If Iowa’s coach lost to Bowling Green, Iowa’s fans would be calling for his head.
If Iowa’s coach recruited in the bottom half of the Big 10 year after year, Iowa’s fans would be calling for his head.
If Iowa’s head coach’s teams’ got worse each year after his predecessors recruits graduated, Iowa’s fans would be calling for his head.

You want to know why we lose to Iowa by 40 points? Because Iowa has an expectation of winning. Comments on this thread show that most of my fellow fans have no such expectations — despite Fleck’s millions of dollars, they are happy with his “at least both teams had fun” moral victory nonsense.
I dunno, they stuck with Ferentz through a stretch of winning 8, 7, 4, 8, and 7 games. Most of Ferentz’s success came in the first
third of his career at Iowa. Fleck’s 2019 season is still better than any season Iowa has had since he’s been here. And yeah I think it is fine for the floor to be a crappy bowl game. Iowa actually has the same floor.
 
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Better recruits than we ever have still doesn't come close to the ones Oregon and OSU can pay.
Neither does Indiana. Consistently finish 5th/6th or higher, and that success will lead to a higher recruiting profile. Not top ten, but would consistently be top 20/25.
 

Great decisions moving FROM campus to dt Minneapolis, hiring Jim Wacker, hiring Tim Brewster, being scared $hitless of doing anything with nil enabling others to lead. Ignoring and Not funding the programs for decades.

Solid.
Good grief get it all out. You know it's almost 2026, right?
 


Great decisions moving FROM campus to dt Minneapolis, hiring Jim Wacker, hiring Tim Brewster, being scared $hitless of doing anything with nil enabling others to lead. Ignoring and Not funding the programs for decades.

Solid.
You wanna keep bitching about past decisions? Or deal with the current realities? Kill and PJ have had more administrative support. How can you claim no administrative support when they are charging all students a fee for athletics? Who do you think approved that?
 


Separate from the outcome and the way our team played I think the University of Minnesota athletic department should scout that stadium to learn how to run a game day experience.

I attended the game in Oregon and the game environment and entire crowd vibe was far and away superior to anything I’ve seen at TCF/HBS/Williams/Mariucci… it was FUN, great videos, great music, and got the crowd extremely hyped. Not to mention they didn’t force advertisements down our throats the entire game.

Bottom line; Minnesota has a lot of on field/court/ice improvements to make but the fan experience should not be left behind.
Just got back from Oregon and was going to post something similar. It was by far the best football production-show I’ve seen live and the fans were really into it. And quite a few Gopher fans made the big screen cam shots.
 

Good grief get it all out. You know it's almost 2026, right?
Sure do. I've watched from the stands for decades, so yes.

You may want to study the impacts and implications of the poor decisions and support over the decades.

Perhaps you are happy with decades of crap. Nah, couldn't be.

The Mn admin is and has been complicit in the decline of Mn fb and bb.

Easy example is the self inflicted shots at the bb program after the "scandal".
 



You wanna keep bitching about past decisions? Or deal with the current realities? Kill and PJ have had more administrative support. How can you claim no administrative support when they are charging all students a fee for athletics? Who do you think approved that?
"More"

You do realize their support literally couldn't get much worse than it was. Right?

"More" isn't leading to a lot of great winning seasons, right?
 


Sure do. I've watched from the stands for decades, so yes.

You may want to study the impacts and implications of the poor decisions and support over the decades.

Perhaps you are happy with decades of crap. Nah, couldn't be.

The Mn admin is and has been complicit in the decline of Mn fb and bb.

Easy example is the self inflicted shots at the bb program after the "scandal".
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That was 44 years ago old man. I said the administration has provided more support starting during Kill, and continuing during Fleck.
This old man has witnessed a lot. You asked and I provided an answer, actually a great answer.

If you do zero maintenance on your home for a few decades, what happens?

Check that. You don't own a home and lack real world experience.
 
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Ok so you explained the Ohio State and Oregon games. Am I to believe that Iowa is paying for players at that level as well?

And if it's because the other teams are paying so much money for their players, how do you explain the same approach in years 1-7, when players weren't being paid (legally anyway, or were on $EC teams)?
Criticizing PJ for his performance against Iowa, and Cal are legitimate criticisms, that’s apples to apples, but don’t forget Nebraska, Purdue, Michigan State. Need to look at his record across all. Unless your argument is PJ isn’t as good as Frentz. But that’s not the same argument as when can get someone better.
 

Texas Tech counts 6 Billionaires and about 30 multimillionaires who are Plus 100 million in its fan base. These folks decided to pay whatever it takes to get a winning team. TT is undefeated so far this year. They were able to come back from a 30 point deficit and win yesterday. Money Matters. Lots of money matters a lot. I just wish someone would step up to pay for top notch coordinators. I was embarrassed by how confused the MN defense looked against Iowa - It was clear that the Gophers did not have good eye discipline. It is clear that the D coaches did not expect that Iowa might show something different. That is 100% on the defensive coaches.
You are confusing Texas Tech with Texas A&M, but your point is valid.
 

To be clear, the University of Oregon is probably funding players at a level no more than the University of Minnesota is. Perhaps even less. The big money for Oregon players is coming from outside the University system. No one expects the University of Minnesota Regents to dig into the school’s educational coffers to try to match the tens of millions in NIL money that Phil Knight is paying Ducks’ players (or that Mark Cuban is kicking in to Indiana NIL). At most, the University could up coordinator salaries to be competitive, and bound fund more coaching positions—and I believe thus would make some difference. But finding significantly more NIL money to pay players is ultimately up to the alumni and friends of the University—like you!
That is correct. The numbers thrown out for this year for Oregon is around $30MM, and it’s all from collectives and alumni. Note this years totals are before any university revenue sharing. Revenue sharing between Oregon and University of Minnesota will be close to equivalent, but their collective and alumni donations won’t stop.
 

I dunno, they stuck with Ferentz through a stretch of winning 8, 7, 4, 8, and 7 games. Most of Ferentz’s success came in the first
third of his career at Iowa. Fleck’s 2019 season is still better than any season Iowa has had since he’s been here. And yeah I think it is fine for the floor to be a crappy bowl game. Iowa actually has the same floor.
Ferentz is an exceptional coach, he is the longest tenure in the B1G. So if your argument he is better than PJ, I think most would say you are making a strong argument.

However you’re not saying that, you’re saying because Ferentz is better than PJ, we know we can do better than PJ. And the data doesn’t support this conclusion at all.
 

I dunno, they stuck with Ferentz through a stretch of winning 8, 7, 4, 8, and 7 games. Most of Ferentz’s success came in the first
third of his career at Iowa. Fleck’s 2019 season is still better than any season Iowa has had since he’s been here. And yeah I think it is fine for the floor to be a crappy bowl game. Iowa actually has the same floor.

Iowa has finished 3 seasons ranked higher than Minnesota did in 2019. They've won conference and division titles in multiple seasons.

Minnesota wasn't even the best team in the B1G West in the 2019. They lost 2 division games that season.
 


Remember when we fired Mason? Did he deserve it? Maybe. But were we as fans delusional to what we thought we could be? 100%.

PJ has put us in a bowl game. How many years in a row? Hell, we have finished in the top 10 under him. We win bowl games. We win a couple games every year that we shouldn't and we lose a game every year that we shouldn't. We are not great. We are not bad. In all honesty, in today's landscape of college football, I don't see any reason to fire him now. Who knows, maybe next year is a 10-win season or maybe next year's a four-win season. It's going to take a couple of those less than six win seasons in a row in order for me to say, let's find the next coach.

I don't want to get Brewster'd again.
Said like someone who is fearful of success.
 

Who would you rather have?
Fleck or Kill?
Fleck or Brewster?
Fleck or Mason?
Fleck or Gutekunst?
Fleck or Wacker?
Fleck or Holtz? (for 2 yrs)
Fleck or Salem?
Fleck or Stoll?

I’ll take Fleck over all the above. That spans over half a century of The University of Minnesota football. I’m sure the next guy will be better though. History says he will, right?
The fans of Indiana said they same, until they didn't.
 

Iowa has finished 3 seasons ranked higher than Minnesota did in 2019. They've won conference and division titles in multiple seasons.

Minnesota wasn't even the best team in the B1G West in the 2019. They lost 2 division games that season.
Since Fleck got here in 2017? I believe that was the initial statement made by @btowngopher.

 

For the record, despite all the Brewster bashing, he was getting us to the same tier of bowl as PJ, 2019 excepted. And Jeff Horton has as many wins over Ferentz as PJ (with Brewster's players).

I don't think PJ should be fired, but I wouldn't shed a tear if he left. We shouldn't be looking like buy game sacrificial lambs regardless of opponent, and this year that's happened 3 times now.
Amen.
 

There was a mad rush to get as much 3rd party NIL signed earlier in the year for this season as possible, because the contracts for next season I believe are the ones that are starting to be scrutinized under NIL Go.

My point is, you could easily have Texas schools with somewhere between 20-40 Million in NIL deals for this season and that number will shoot down. Because those are largely not deals that will/would have passed the clearinghouse.
I don’t think anyone thinks NIL is going down. What will be scrutinized is revenue sharing, the money that the school pays the athletes. The money paid by endorsements, collectives, and Alumni won’t change at all.
 

This old man has witnessed a lot. You asked and I provided an answer, actually a great answer.

If you do zero maintenance on your home for a few decades, what happens?

Check that. You don't own a home and lack real world experience.
You some how think the administration from 1980 is the same as the administration from 2017. We all know they didn’t support for along time. Your blind if you think it hasn’t changed.
 

Are you tithing your 10% to the nil fund?
Yeah, good point. It’s not that the twin cities doesn’t have more money than Tuscaloosa, it is does the fan base value a championship program as much
 

Neither does Indiana. Consistently finish 5th/6th or higher, and that success will lead to a higher recruiting profile. Not top ten, but would consistently be top 20/25.
Indiana is an anomaly. Anomalies will happen. Think of it like MLB, the highest payroll teams win a disproportionate number of championships. The top 20% payrolls have won 80% of the World Series over the last 20 years. But there are those teams that are in the lower 80% payrolls that win a championship from time to time. But they don’t have a trophy case that compares to the Yankees or the Red Sox.
 

No shit. There are 16 other teams in the conference. If you are hoping for us to recruit like those two I got some bad news for ya……
considering Mark Coyle's salary is in the top 1/3 of the BIG, and PJ's salary is the 31st most in the entire country, then yes... we should expect more, ALOT more. Otherwise Mark Coyle's and PJ's salaries should be reduced considerably to reflect the success they have. Mark Coyle said himself after the blowout at OSU, that fans should not expect the U of MN to compete with OSU because of the large difference in athletic budgets between the two schools. Well if that's how Mark Coyle feels then why does he pay himself almost the equivalent of the helmet schools of the BIG. If he can't put a competitive product out there, then why should he be paid like someone who does.
 




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