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disco said:
I think coaching and recruiting meant more then. Money still mattered, but maybe not as much as it does now, and maybe not as much as it did in the SEC/Big 12. A couple grand here and there. Maybe a car? But not million dollar contracts. I would not be surprised if Wisconsin's current situation is not the new norm for them. A middle of the pack team like us.
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You could be exactly right ... and that would be wild. It shouldn't be able to change that much in 15 years. 2010 season was their last one that I was referring to
 

disco said:
Read closer what I wrote. People are saying "NIL doesn't come directly from the school."

Officially, that's supposed to be true. But who is to say certain programs aren't funding collectives under the table? Like you said, we don't know. But I'm cynical enough to assume that certain big name programs will do anything and everything to buy the best talent. And we either can't, or won't.
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It's hard for me to believe even the dirtiest SEC programs would fund them right out of the athletic department coffers. That's traceable and completely against the rules.

That would be wild
 

disco said:
Some of it is public. I believe someone filed an FOIA request regarding Texas Tech which showed $28 million in contracts, and that was before NIL money was distributed, so the rest is an estimate.

But you're right, nobody knows the actual numbers in most cases. But we do know that certain teams have whales, like Oregon, Tech, Miami, etc. and we do not.
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There was a mad rush to get as much 3rd party NIL signed earlier in the year for this season as possible, because the contracts for next season I believe are the ones that are starting to be scrutinized under NIL Go.

My point is, you could easily have Texas schools with somewhere between 20-40 Million in NIL deals for this season and that number will shoot down. Because those are largely not deals that will/would have passed the clearinghouse.
 

disco said:
Some of it is public. I believe someone filed an FOIA request regarding Texas Tech which showed $28 million in contracts, and that was before NIL money was distributed, so the rest is an estimate.

But you're right, nobody knows the actual numbers in most cases. But we do know that certain teams have whales, like Oregon, Tech, Miami, etc. and we do not.
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Texas Tech is pretty up front with some of their NIL numbers. The GM and players have thrown out actual numbers. The 4 DL this year cost 7 million. 3 million to the pass rusher from Stanford.
 

mngolf said:
So you prefer the losing we had with Mason, etc?
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He competed against the Alvarez Badgers not the shit show they have now and Drew Brees at Purdue as a couple examples. He was also in the shit hole dome. And yes, absolutely I would rather watch an average Mason game versus an average fFleck game; certainly post Mo.
 


LeftofThaDial said:
Texas Tech is pretty up front with some of their NIL numbers. The GM and players have thrown out actual numbers. The 4 DL this year cost 7 million. 3 million to the pass rusher from Stanford.
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Boasting by Tech officials and players with no corroborating documents doesn't do it for me.
 






GopherGrit said:
It's hard for me to believe even the dirtiest SEC programs would fund them right out of the athletic department coffers. That's traceable and completely against the rules.

That would be wild
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It wouldn't be a line item in the budget. It would be laundered somehow.
 

Gopherchase said:
PJ runs 90 percent of his program just fine. Everything related to game day planning, game day philosophies, and in game coaching he’s the worst. Terrible. Pretty much unwatchable product win or lose the last couple of years especially.
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I hate to break it to you, but given how we perform on the field, 90% of the program is NOT just fine. Maybe 20%. All the real football stuff is broken. Poor schemes, poor instruction, poor play calling, poor execution, poor choice of coaches, poor recruiting. We should've smoked MSU, Purdue and Rutgers. And that's an indictment of 50% or more of PJ'S program. I like PJ. But, I don't believe he's a great football person. Great motivator, great values, thoughtful man, good human being. But not a football guru.
 

mngolf said:
Players go where they're paid best. How is this so difficult for people to understand? OSU literally spent 30m on their team prior to revenue sharing. PJ tries to keep games low scoring and close to give his athlete spending level a chance in the 4th qtr. Sometimes it fails miserably.
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Ok so you explained the Ohio State and Oregon games. Am I to believe that Iowa is paying for players at that level as well?

And if it's because the other teams are paying so much money for their players, how do you explain the same approach in years 1-7, when players weren't being paid (legally anyway, or were on $EC teams)?
 
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mngolf said:
Accountability for what? Doing his best with less money than half the conference? You think it's better to have a coach that doesn't show emotion for his team? Are we living in opposite world here?
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1) his coordinator hiring.
2) Having the team prepared and showing up for a full 60 minutes each and every week.

On showing up, I'm not saying that teams and coaches don't have bad games. I'm saying ready to play at the kick off, something we have done exactly once this season (Nebraska. I would buy an argument that we were ready last night and stayed engaged in the game for the most part for the full 60 as well - the talent disparity with Oregon is what it is, but teams with less money and less talent then we have fared better against Oregon this season - atlhough ultimately suffered the same fate). And this is not just a this year thing, although it's worse this year.

Example of this year? Michigan State - we showed up for about 6 minutes of that game. Yes we won, and never apologize for a win, but that was bad football, against a team that hasn't won in the B1G this year. We are a better team that that. I'd add Purdue, for most of the game, Rutger's for the 3/4 of the first half, signficatn portions of the Cal game as well.

Examples from last year? The second half of the Iowa game. The first half of the Michigan game. The Rutger's game.

There are examples of multiple games in every season of Fleck's tenure. We don't always lose the games we fail to show up for signficant portions of. Wacker was a coach that had teams that were bad, but they had a plan and gave full effort in every game, and lost. It's great we win some of these games, but it should not happen as consistently as it does.

And you last point? Simmer down killer. I get the wholely held belief that only PJ Fleck cares about his team - which is utter bullshit, but I know it's a thing for people who think even the slightest criticism of Fleck is blashphemy. He can do whatwever he wants, but if he punches a ref, or something goes absolutely off-kilter off field (neither of which I expect to happen, btw) he's not going anywhere unless he chooses to.

So relax that's not a slam on Fleck. It's a fact.
 

Gophergrandpa said:
The blue bloods didn't "handle" NIL; the outside boosters handled it. The schools just tagged along and reaped the benefits.
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Coyle and Mn administration ran away from it. Had to wait and see!! And yes, the blue bloods worked it hard. Meanwhile, in Minneapolis.....

Incredible lack of leadership, foresight, etc. Decades upon decades of this type of leadership has resulted in what you see today.
 

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