Twins/Vikings/Wild/Wolves Championship appearance drought tracker

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Ope3 said:
The 1987 Twins winning the WS, indeed was a major upset.

That team is the only Champion in MLB history to be outscored in the Regular Season. They also were fortunate to have Home Field advantage against both the Tigers & Cards, which was predetermined alternating between the Divisions/Leagues. Also Jack Clark was not available for St Louis and Terry Pendleton was limited. Indeed it was a bit flukey.

The 1991 Twins was NOT an upset in any manner. They won 95 games. They had the best record in the AL, 2nd only to Pittsburgh in MLB (98). They again enjoyed Dome Field advantage (also predetermined) against the Blue Jays & Braves, but had better records than both.

That team had a really strong lineup, were adept at fielding, a strong top 3 rotation as well as a reliable bullpen. It included 2 HoFers performing at a high level and the Rookie of the Year.

That club was damn good.
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My post was referring to expectations at the beginning of the year. The '91 Twins were projected to win 76 games. They started slow in April and May, picked it up in June, and kept going for an improvement of 19 games above projections.

The Twins were +8000 to win the WS in '91... only a few teams in MLB had worse odds. This was the infamous last to first WS match up with the Braves. No team had gone from last to a league pennant before and both teams did it in '91.

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ecoperson said:
My post was referring to expectations at the beginning of the year. The '91 Twins were projected to win 76 games. They started slow in April and May, picked it up in June, and kept going for an improvement of 19 games above projections.

The Twins were +8000 to win the WS in '91... only a few teams in MLB had worse odds. This was the infamous last to first WS match up with the Braves. No team had gone from last to a league pennant before and both teams did it in '91.

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That's all fair/valid from that perspective.

Several guys had career years along with key Free Agent pickups and a RoY resulted in a fly by from Spring Training expectations.
 


Also, it has to be Minneapolis miracle when referring to the NO play. Never Minnesota Miracle.
 

howeda7 said:
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My girlfriend and I were high on life for days after Game 7. She had been in attendance with her brother, and I hosted a watch party nearby. We all met up to celebrate on the streets afterward (don't ask me how we all found each other in the pre-mobile phone era; it just always happened!). Just days later, I was stranded at her house as we shoveled her out from the Halloween snowstorm. A month and a half later, we got engaged. We have lived our entire married lives together without a championship-round appearance. The saving grace: at least we're Lynx fans!
 


TRF Guy said:
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This is obviously some random person's opinion, but to be below Cleveland or Detroit in anything is just depressing.

I know this has been covered elsewhere in this thread, but no.10, NYC is actually pretty impressive in it's own right, and should be higher on this list, IMO. 8 teams x 16 years = 128 combined team seasons without a title. Certainly the Mets and Yankees have absurd advantages in the MLB with no salary cap, and the others have built-in advantages of being in a major city to attract free agents versus us in "fly over country", yet there they still are.
 





Ope3 said:
I dig some digging on the country of Canada not being able drink collectively from Lord Stanley's Cup since Montreal did it in 1993 and have gone 0-7 combined in the Finals.

They have had 9 different franchises make the NHL Playoffs.

In order to avoid further insult to injury, I did not count the Oilers & Canadians losing in the 2020 Bubble Qualifying Round, which was modified due to Covid-19. Here's how many times each Qualified as one of the Round of 16 Teams for the NHL Post-Season:

1 - Nordiques (prior to moving to Denver)
1 - (Old) Jets (prior to moving to Phoenix, now in Salt Lake City)
7 - (New) Jets (after moving from Atlanta)
12 - Oilers
13 - Flames
16 - Canucks
16 - Senators
17 - Maple Leafs
17 - Canadians
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100 Total

Wow.
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Oh, No Canada.

Edmonton runs the Stanley Cup cooler to 0 fer 8.

Joining them on making a Playoff appearance but ultimately fruitless in being able to sip from the chalice are Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal.

Grand Total is now 105 since the Canadians hoisted Lord Stanley's Cup.

I was born in Key West. I consider myself a Native of the State of Hockey, even though it was roughly a quarter of a century after my birth date for the Sunshine State to land an NHL franchise. Nevermind my family moved to Minnesota during the Nixon administration.

Ha ha ha all you born and bred Minnesota fans that have been suffering futility since 1991.
 




^^ but then again there's just not that many single markets that have all four. (Eg. you can argue that Tampa and Orlando should be combined, but they aren't.)

And we're probably one of the smallest. That matters for MLB, at least, because the Twins are small spenders in that un-capped league.

Not as big a deal for NBA and NFL with caps, don't know how NHL current is.
 

Said another way, and possibly the fairest way as there probably isn't that much crossover between fanbases .... if you consider the sports each on their own, I would guess the Minnesota franchise does not have the longest championship appearance drought, in all four.

Even the fuggin Vikings, are only tied for the worst Super Bowl record at 0-4 with the Bills.

Even the fuggin Timberwolves, are only tied with four other franchises for never having appeared in an NBA Finals, but the Hornets and Pelicans have never even made the conference finals.


So, I declare that just because it's the same market, doesn't mean anything. :)
 

GopherGrit said:
^^ but then again there's just not that many single markets that have all four. (Eg. you can argue that Tampa and Orlando should be combined, but they aren't.)

And we're probably one of the smallest. That matters for MLB, at least, because the Twins are small spenders in that un-capped league.

Not as big a deal for NBA and NFL with caps, don't know how NHL current is.
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GopherGrit said:
Said another way, and possibly the fairest way as there probably isn't that much crossover between fanbases .... if you consider the sports each on their own, I would guess the Minnesota franchise does not have the longest championship appearance drought, in all four.

Even the fuggin Vikings, are only tied for the worst Super Bowl record at 0-4 with the Bills.

Even the fuggin Timberwolves, are only tied with four other franchises for never having appeared in an NBA Finals, but the Hornets and Pelicans have never even made the conference finals.


So, I declare that just because it's the same market, doesn't mean anything. :)
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That's a very unconvincing pep talk.
 

Ope3 said:
That's a very unconvincing pep talk.
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The North Stars are never replaced. Xcel is never built.

OR

The Twins actually are contracted or leave, and are never replaced. Target Field is never built.


Everything else stays the same.


You're telling me that it doesn't matter that suddenly none of this is notable?
 

GopherGrit said:
The North Stars are never replaced. Xcel is never built.

OR

The Twins actually are contracted or leave, and are never replaced. Target Field is never built.


Everything else stays the same.


You're telling me that it doesn't matter that suddenly none of this is notable?
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I have no idea what point you are trying to convey.

It's not possible to lesson the indignity of 126 consecutive seasons in the market without a Championship appearance and a Current percentage of 0.93% Titles for the current 4 franchises.
 

Ope3 said:
I have no idea what point you are trying to convey.

It's not possible to lesson the indignity of 126 consecutive seasons in the market without a Championship appearance and a Current percentage of 0.93% Titles for the current 4 franchises.
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I'm saying you can lessen it if you look at it reasonably (*my opinion, nothing more*):

Twins: 33 seasons since last championship appearance and last conf championship appearance

**independent**

Vikings: 48 seasons since last champ appearance, 8 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Twolves: no champ appearance 34 seasons, 0 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Wild: no champ appearance 24 seasons, 21 seasons since last conf champ appearance



These are four independent results, which have nothing to do with each other and whose fanbases don't overlap much. None of them is the worst, in their respective (independent) leagues.




The Wild aren't even in the same city, and I know plenty of Wild/hockey fans who pride themselves on not having anything to do with Minneapolis sports teams.

EDIT: doh, fixed mistake on Vikings
 
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GopherGrit said:
I'm saying you can lessen it if you look at it reasonably (*my opinion, nothing more*):

Twins: 33 seasons since last championship appearance and last conf championship appearance

**independent**

Vikings: 48 seasons since last champ appearance, 15 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Twolves: no champ appearance 34 seasons, 0 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Wild: no champ appearance 24 seasons, 21 seasons since last conf champ appearance



These are four independent results, which have nothing to do with each other and whose fanbases don't overlap much. None of them is the worst, in their respective (independent) leagues.




The Wild aren't even in the same city, and I know plenty of Wild/hockey fans who pride themselves on not having anything to do with Minneapolis sports teams.
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That's a very unconvincing pep talk as a fan of all 4 franchises as many (most at least casually?) are on this forum.

Like putting Bactine on a full combat victim.

If anything laying out your stats like that makes me feel worse. Please work on your bedside manner game. :sick:
 


GopherGrit said:
I'm saying you can lessen it if you look at it reasonably (*my opinion, nothing more*):

Twins: 33 seasons since last championship appearance and last conf championship appearance

**independent**

Vikings: 48 seasons since last champ appearance, 15 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Twolves: no champ appearance 34 seasons, 0 seasons since last conf champ appearance

**independent**

Wild: no champ appearance 24 seasons, 21 seasons since last conf champ appearance



These are four independent results, which have nothing to do with each other and whose fanbases don't overlap much. None of them is the worst, in their respective (independent) leagues.




The Wild aren't even in the same city, and I know plenty of Wild/hockey fans who pride themselves on not having anything to do with Minneapolis sports teams.
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The Vikings last appearance in the conference championship was 2018 (after the 2017 season) so that number should be 8 seasons.
 



Ope3 said:
Shouldn't it only be 7 seasons since the last NFC Championship appearance?
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1 ago is 2024 season, 2 ago is 23, 3 ago is 22, ....., 8 ago is 2017 season, the Minneapolis Miracle year promptly followed up by a drubbing in Philly :(
 

Ope3 said:
That's a very unconvincing pep talk as a fan of all 4 franchises as many (most at least casually?) are on this forum.

Like putting Bactine on a full combat victim.

If anything laying out your stats like that makes me feel worse. Please work on your bedside manner game. :sick:
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Bold: that does make sense for anyone who really says they are fans of all four. I'm sure there are some.

I definitely am not.

If the North Stars had never been replaced and Xcel had never been built ... zero skin off my teeth. Who cares? And like I said before, I know some Wild fans who proudly have nothing to do with Minneapolis sports teams (or the city itself ... you know the types) and stay on the East side.
 

GopherGrit said:
1 ago is 2024 season, 2 ago is 23, 3 ago is 22, ....., 8 ago is 2017 season, the Minneapolis Miracle year promptly followed up by a drubbing in Philly :(
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So 7 seasons currently since the Minneapolis Miracle.
 

Ope3 said:
So 7 seasons currently since the Minneapolis Miracle.
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My way of counting it is:

in the 2018 season you'd say it has been 1 season since
2019 you'd say 2 seasons since
...
2024 you'd say 7 seasons since
2025 you'd say 8 seasons since

I'm saying we're in the 25 season now
 
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