Minnesota quarterback Zach Pyron has entered the transfer portal as a grad transfer, @On3sports has learned.

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USAF said:
The fact Drake Lindsey was, is and will be the #1 QB come fall is no breaking news. I posted the same weeks ago. Part of that is the fact Pyron wasn't even #2. Not new news either.

The fact Pyron is transferring IS new news. And this news was what Maxy was trying to claim "he knew," when clearly he didn't.

And for the record, Maxy didn't even post in the April 15 thread.
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Wrong... I said nothing about knowing a thing. I said "Saw this coming based on reports."
 

Gopherchase said:
I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that it’s always obvious that PJ has a guy. Not even complaining if he picks the right guy which he did last year and we should all be hopeful that Lindsey is the real deal he has all of the measurable’s. I just lost count of how many times PJ was quoted the last couple of months with how fierce the quarterback competition was going to be lol.
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It's pretty rare to see any sort of QB battle that is truly 100% wide open in college athletics. There is always going to be the likely starter. But that doesn't mean it isn't an open competition that could be won it just means the other guys probably have to do something special in order to win it.

This isn't a just a Fleck thing.

In the end coaches will play the QB they think gives them the best chance to win games. Not doing that would be foolish since keeping their job usually hinges on winning games.
 

I don't know if we should see this as a strong statement for Lindsay or as the staff whiffing on their choice of portal QB this cycle.

If he was operating as the #3 it's probably the latter. But he did have some success in ACC competition.
 



fmlizard said:
I don't know if we should see this as a strong statement for Lindsay or as the staff whiffing on their choice of portal QB this cycle.

If he was operating as the #3 it's probably the latter. But he did have some success in ACC competition.
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I see this as a good sign that Pyron knew he wasn't going to be able to beat out Drake so he decided to go try and find playing time somewhere else. Pyron wasn't really brought in to be the starter in the way Brosmer was, he was brought in to provide depth and compete with the other guys already on the roster.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
Wrong... I said nothing about knowing a thing. I said "Saw this coming based on reports."
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And so did most people. If he's not beating out a walk on it's not a good sign.
 




Likely that Pyron truly believed he had a shot. Whether based in reality or dreams we'll never know.

I'll choose however to believe this is a good sign for the QB room overall. Pyron was not going to be happy at No. 3 or No. 4 for sure.
 

He played a serviceable game as a backup pressed into a starting role against the Irish. It'd be nice to have him as our #2 but I think he's good enough to start for a program and he feels that way too. Might land at a decent spot at the G5 level
 

fmlizard said:
I don't know if we should see this as a strong statement for Lindsay or as the staff whiffing on their choice of portal QB this cycle.

If he was operating as the #3 it's probably the latter. But he did have some success in ACC competition.
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I think it has to be considered a whiff. Surely they hoped he was good enough to push Lindsey or at least be an upgrade to the #2 spot. But considering it sounds like he may have been on the outside looking in for the #2 and maybe even #3 spot it’s a whiff, but hey it happens. Can’t really know what you have until you start working with him next to your other guys. I think it is also a strong statement for our other guys too though, it’s not like Pyron was a train wreck in real game action.
 





MNVCGUY said:
It's pretty rare to see any sort of QB battle that is truly 100% wide open in college athletics. There is always going to be the likely starter. But that doesn't mean it isn't an open competition that could be won it just means the other guys probably have to do something special in order to win it.

This isn't a just a Fleck thing.

In the end coaches will play the QB they think gives them the best chance to win games. Not doing that would be foolish since keeping their job usually hinges on winning games.
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Jerry Kill was a competent qb away from becoming the Neb coach. But he blew it
 


I dont know have it could be a positive. I mean I get why he’s leaving but it’s not good for MN. Backup with experience is important.
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
I hear that a lot but I don't know how true it is.

Annexstad won QB1 in the battle with Morgan and then Morgan overtook the spot.
Morgan ended up handing the reigns to Kaliakmanis who was the replaced by Brosmer.

He seems as willing as most coaches to make a move at the position.

I cannot think of a situation where there was a realistic/better option on the bench that didn't come in.
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Disagree that PJ doesn't anoint his QB's. The backups never play.
Annexstad had to go to the hospital at halftime in Iowa before Morgan got a chance.
Then, he broke his leg. He knew he wouldn't play when healthy because it was now Morgan's team so he transferred.
Kramer was wildcat QB and got some time but otherwise until he was begged by PJ to be the bowl game QB he didn't play despite being the way better QB in the spring.
AK8 was anointed and horrible at times...nobody threatened him during the season until they parted ways seasons end.
Lindsay was 3 of 4 vs Rhode Island and 1 of 1 in the bowl game behind Brosmer. Brosmer was not all that special the first few games. Lindsay looked good in his one opportunity. It was not going to be a competition.
Basing it on how good the backups are is shaky...we don't know...they don't play. 100% he anoints QB's and they will play until they can't limp back onto the field.
 

btowngopher said:
Based on what? Wouldn’t he have given ZA the starting spot back if he had anointed him? He went out and got Brosmer as well. I get you aren’t a Morgan fan, but none of his backups have done anything at the FBS level.
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It was much more obvious with AK8 than Morgan. Morgan has ‘19 in his resume and I can agree that would make it hard to move on—although we should have thanked him for the time and had him depart before his last year he was clearly on an extended period of decline. AK8 had competition around that bailed when he was clearly positioned as the successor to Morgan about a year before he actually took over.
 

Gopherchase said:
It was much more obvious with AK8 than Morgan. Morgan has ‘19 in his resume and I can agree that would make it hard to move on—although we should have thanked him for the time and had him depart before his last year he was clearly on an extended period of decline. AK8 had competition around that bailed when he was clearly positioned as the successor to Morgan about a year before he actually took over.
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I'll say this about AK - he did look pretty good in limited play when Morgan was injured and EVERYONE thought he was going to be excellent. He was a no brainer to start in 2023. He did not live up to expectations and I was really disappointed in his play, but he was a no brainer starter going into 2023.
 

60's Guy said:
Disagree that PJ doesn't anoint his QB's. The backups never play.
Annexstad had to go to the hospital at halftime in Iowa before Morgan got a chance.
Then, he broke his leg. He knew he wouldn't play when healthy because it was now Morgan's team so he transferred.
Kramer was wildcat QB and got some time but otherwise until he was begged by PJ to be the bowl game QB he didn't play despite being the way better QB in the spring.
AK8 was anointed and horrible at times...nobody threatened him during the season until they parted ways seasons end.
Lindsay was 3 of 4 vs Rhode Island and 1 of 1 in the bowl game behind Brosmer. Brosmer was not all that special the first few games. Lindsay looked good in his one opportunity. It was not going to be a competition.
Basing it on how good the backups are is shaky...we don't know...they don't play. 100% he anoints QB's and they will play until they can't limp back onto the field.
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Kramer clearly wasn’t the solution if you watched the bowl game. The fact that Fleck let Morgan take over shows he didn’t anoint ZA. The choice to stick with Brosmer over a true freshman was obviously the correct one, and was just an obvious decision. Also bringing in Brosmer at all showed AK wasn’t anointed. The backups haven’t played anywhere at the FBS level. The only guy who has (AK) is one that you’re calling anointed.
 

Gopherchase said:
It was much more obvious with AK8 than Morgan. Morgan has ‘19 in his resume and I can agree that would make it hard to move on—although we should have thanked him for the time and had him depart before his last year he was clearly on an extended period of decline. AK8 had competition around that bailed when he was clearly positioned as the successor to Morgan about a year before he actually took over.
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Well yeah he looked super promising so of course everyone assumed he’d be the starter. Had Clark or Knuth stuck around who knows if Fleck would’ve given one of them an opportunity when AK started to struggle. Basically was left with Kramer and a true freshman we flipped from EMU. Neither of which made sense to replace AK so he went out and got Brosmer as soon as possible.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
I'll say this about AK - he did look pretty good in limited play when Morgan was injured and EVERYONE thought he was going to be excellent. He was a no brainer to start in 2023. He did not live up to expectations and I was really disappointed in his play, but he was a no brainer starter going into 2023.
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For the record I was an AK skeptic from the start.... So not everyone thought he'd be excellent. I agree he was obviously going to be the starter but that was because we had nothing behind him.
 



60's Guy said:
Disagree that PJ doesn't anoint his QB's. The backups never play.
Annexstad had to go to the hospital at halftime in Iowa before Morgan got a chance.
Then, he broke his leg. He knew he wouldn't play when healthy because it was now Morgan's team so he transferred.
Kramer was wildcat QB and got some time but otherwise until he was begged by PJ to be the bowl game QB he didn't play despite being the way better QB in the spring.
AK8 was anointed and horrible at times...nobody threatened him during the season until they parted ways seasons end.
Lindsay was 3 of 4 vs Rhode Island and 1 of 1 in the bowl game behind Brosmer. Brosmer was not all that special the first few games. Lindsay looked good in his one opportunity. It was not going to be a competition.
Basing it on how good the backups are is shaky...we don't know...they don't play. 100% he anoints QB's and they will play until they can't limp back onto the field.
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I don't consider "anointing" to mean that you don't play backups. I think of "anoint" as someone being handed a position without earning it - like PJ has in his head who is going to be the starter and nothing can change his mind.

With ZA and Morgan, PJ clearly changed his mind. ZA won the job in 2018 and did not win it back from Morgan in 2019. It wasn't like Morgan lit the world on fire to finish 2018. Their stats were really similar. It was ZA's team and it became Morgan's team.I think it's pretty clear that PJ changed his mind on these two.

As for Kramer, I can't think of a single time where he should have been the starter. I would have been 100% cool with him getting run the year AK struggled.

I think there is a good argument AK was anointed but the issue (IMO) was more that we didn't bring in realistic competition for him.

As far as Brosmer, do we still consider someone to be anointed if they were really good? Isn't it more likely PJ was just right about him?
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I mean it’s typically the first thing I do when I grab my phone in the morning.
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I don't believe you because I cannot find proof while skimming through your previous posts on Gopherhole where you ever claimed such a thing.

If it's not articulated on Gopherhole, it never happened :).
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I don't consider "anointing" to mean that you don't play backups. I think of "anoint" as someone being handed a position without earning it - like PJ has in his head who is going to be the starter and nothing can change his mind.

With ZA and Morgan, PJ clearly changed his mind. ZA won the job in 2018 and did not win it back from Morgan in 2019. It wasn't like Morgan lit the world on fire to finish 2018. Their stats were really similar. It was ZA's team and it became Morgan's team.I think it's pretty clear that PJ changed his mind on these two.

As for Kramer, I can't think of a single time where he should have been the starter. I would have been 100% cool with him getting run the year AK struggled.

I think there is a good argument AK was anointed but the issue (IMO) was more that we didn't bring in realistic competition for him.

As far as Brosmer, do we still consider someone to be anointed if they were really good? Isn't it more likely PJ was just right about him?
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Well said. Maybe I’m getting it mixed up but weren’t both Knuth and Clark here at the same time as AK8?
 


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