Minnesota High School Football Section Championship Matchups

As you may recall in (probably multiple) previous threads, SG is really, really bitter that Coon Rapids got to move down. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Everyone has their stupid, absurd hills to die on, I guess.
 

Properly not needed but maybe in 5 years. In the end who cares who they play in the regular season when they all make the playoffs based on section and similar sized schools?
The booster clubs who have no money because the crowds are small care. st Francis who had to play 6a coon rapids cares.

your argument is really “who cares?”
You probably run the state high school league
 

I for one am glad that the MSHSL recognized the blatantly obvious: that Coon Rapids demographics look nothing like the rest of the 6A schools, and had zero football tradition to even have a chance at surviving. At least Anoka had some tradition to live off of.

They made the correct and objectively fair decision, to move CR down to 5A and give them a chance.

Good. Correct. :)
 

The booster clubs who have no money because the crowds are small care. st Francis who had to play 6a coon rapids cares.

your argument is really “who cares?”
You probably run the state high school league
St. Francis cares that the worst 6A team in the state, that is a border district, is on their schedule? They would rather Andover get bumped to 6A in reality. No one comes to watch the teams other than student section and parents. Dance teams, youth night, and bands fill the stands and everyone leaves after halftime. Booster clubs get the gate?
 

St. Francis cares that the worst 6A team in the state, that is a border district, is on their schedule? They would rather Andover get bumped to 6A in reality. No one comes to watch the teams other than student section and parents. Dance teams, youth night, and bands fill the stands and everyone leaves after halftime. Booster clubs get the gate?
Booster clubs get the concessions. In some districts programs directly get the gate.
Playing the town next to you gets you bigger crowds than park cottage grove playing anoka

You are right nobody comes except students and parents. And then the game is more than 10-15 miles away in the metro fewer students go to the road games. Which hurts the home teams fundraisers
 


Booster clubs get the concessions. In some districts programs directly get the gate.
Playing the town next to you gets you bigger crowds than park cottage grove playing anoka

You are right nobody comes except students and parents. And then the game is more than 10-15 miles away in the metro fewer students go to the road games. Which hurts the home teams fundraisers
I do think it's a bit ridiculous that teams within the same district are not playing each other or in the same class.
 

I do think it's a bit ridiculous that teams within the same district are not playing each other or in the same class.
I can think of a couple examples where it actually does make sense for teams in the same school district to not be in the same class/conference. When Elk River opened Rogers and Zimmerman high schools, if I recall, they intentionally kept Zimmerman much smaller - it's about half the size of the other two.

Another would be the disparities in size and demographics of some of the Minneapolis and St. Paul schools.
 

No chance in hell should Irondale be in the same class as Mounds View, or Park Center in the same class as Maple Grove. As two random examples off the top of my head.

Blindly looking at enrollment, is just silly.
 

I for one am glad that the MSHSL recognized the blatantly obvious: that Coon Rapids demographics look nothing like the rest of the 6A schools, and had zero football tradition to even have a chance at surviving. At least Anoka had some tradition to live off of.

They made the correct and objectively fair decision, to move CR down to 5A and give them a chance.

Good. Correct. :)

This simply is not true. It wasn't long ago - before Andover opened, that the high schools in that district were the largest in the state, and they were all good in football and ranked every year, and yes that includes Coon Rapids.
 



This simply is not true. It wasn't long ago - before Andover opened, that the high schools in that district were the largest in the state, and they were all good in football and ranked every year, and yes that includes Coon Rapids.
Enrollment is meaningless, in of itself, unless you're talking Coon Rapids vs some 9-man school in farm country.

Tell me all about the history of greatness of CR football, please.
 

No chance in hell should Irondale be in the same class as Mounds View, or Park Center in the same class as Maple Grove. As two random examples off the top of my head.

Blindly looking at enrollment, is just silly.
How about Armstrong and Cooper? Or Jefferson and Kennedy?

There will likely always be, in districts with multiple high schools, one smaller high school, and one high school that has lower income demographics.
 

How about Armstrong and Cooper? Or Jefferson and Kennedy?

There will likely always be, in districts with multiple high schools, one smaller high school, and one high school that has lower income demographics.
Armstrong is Eastern, older, not McMansion Plymouth. Not at all Wayzata Plymouth.

Sure, Cooper is poorer. They've done much better in athletics though, seems like in the last few years?


My point, which is still just as correct, is that you can't just look at enrollment. Bloomington's I think is fair to put them in the same because neither have particularly much winning. Which probably has a lot to do with the schools they had to play for many years. Same as CR.

It's correct to look at and also consider demographics and competitiveness.
 

Armstrong is Eastern, older, not McMansion Plymouth. Not at all Wayzata Plymouth.

Sure, Cooper is poorer. They've done much better in athletics though, seems like in the last few years?


My point, which is still just as correct, is that you can't just look at enrollment. Bloomington's I think is fair to put them in the same because neither have particularly much winning. Which probably has a lot to do with the schools they had to play for many years. Same as CR.

It's correct to look at and also consider demographics and competitiveness.
Yes, we know you hate 'McMansion" people.

Coon Rapids was very good in the 80's and 90's.
 




Noting that you didn't touch the point at all, I will declare victory.


It is absolutely correct to consider demographics and (modern) competitiveness, along with enrollment, in class/district assignments. Good on the MSHSL
 

Were they? That definitely matters now.

The houses there were probably actually new-ish, back then!
So you probably would have hated the people and the houses there at the time too, since they would be new, and might have three car garages or something.

It is absolutely correct to consider demographics and (modern) competitiveness, along with enrollment, in class/district assignments. Good on the MSHSL
So you are essentially in the "everyone gets a trophy" camp. I see.
 

Yep. The only large suburban district I can think of that still uses the Junior High model (7-9) and then 10-12 for high school, is Hopkins. At least I think they do. Everyone else has gone to the middle school (6-8) and 9-12 high school setup.
Forest Lake is K-6, 7-8 for FLMS and 9-12 for FLHS
 

Forest Lake is K-6, 7-8 for FLMS and 9-12 for FLHS
Interesting (that's where I went to school). Did they do that when they consolidated the two junior highs into one school?

I've also wondered how a school that has existed since 1909 can have so few state championships in literally ANY sport, but that's another matter.
 


I know they haven't been good for a long time. I graduated from there ('85). My Senior year I think they won two games, but one of those was against John Marshall. They had a pretty decent RB at the time named Darrell Thompson. I heard he did OK.;)
Speaking of that, Rochester JM has dropped off the map. Schools like Kasson-Mantorville, Byron, and Stewartville have become in essence suburbs of Rochester and are taking off. John Marshall for years was unbeatable in the Big 9.
 


Coon rapids in the state semi finals in 2019
Good :)

And now they're back in 6A, so all is right in SG land.


CR is hardly the only high school program that was in the old 5A, that is now not in the current 6A. Off the top of my head, Hastings is another example. I'm sure there are others.
 

Speaking of that, Rochester JM has dropped off the map. Schools like Kasson-Mantorville, Byron, and Stewartville have become in essence suburbs of Rochester and are taking off. John Marshall for years was unbeatable in the Big 9.
Yeah. Population shifts hit hard. Rochester built century high…were still good for a few years but it’s a different clientele at the Rochester schools. Mayo had a resurgence thi s year.

only 15-20 years ago the Rochester schools were competing with Rosemount, Eastview and Farmington and winning half the time.
 

Just looked it up. Hastings is a lot smaller than I'd have expected. 56th in enrollment (1353). Not even close to 6A. Between St. Paul Harding and Owatonna on the list.
 

Well, you constantly use your weasel words to describe suburbs like Blaine, Plymouth, Medina and Woodbury because they're newer and wealthier. I assume when CR was newer and wealthier in the 1980's you'd have hated them too.
 

Just looked it up. Hastings is a lot smaller than I'd have expected. 56th in enrollment (1353). Not even close to 6A. Between St. Paul Harding and Owatonna on the list.
Hastings playing Rosemount is the same % difference as Lakeville north playing Wayzata
 


Who the hell would want to play a public school the size of a DII university?

There really should be state law forcing a school district to split into two separate high schools once the kids per class just get obscene.
Just for perspective there are conferences in Texas where EP would have the smallest enrollment
 

Unfortunately not where all the new houses are being built.

This year Blaine had 9A/9B, 10A/10B, JV and Varsity Football. Spring Lake Park had 9/JV/Varsity
About to say Spring Lake Park, takes from the southern part of the Blaine, most of the houses are in the North. Would any of those houses be Centennial in the NE or Andover in the NW?
 

I'm well aware of the Osseo issues. We used to live in the far northern part of Brooklyn Park. This was before we had a kid, but it was quite obvious that if you lived in the Park Center attendance area, your house was worth less than if the exact same house was in the Osseo or even moreso, the Maple Grove attendance areas. We lived just south of the district line, and new houses being built to the north would always tout that they were in the Anoka (Champlin Park) district and NOT Osseo (Park Center.)
The joke my friends say is they live in BP, but North of 610
 




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