PAYTON WILLIS COMMITS TO MINNESOTA, RETURNS BACK

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WriterGoph said:
You took his lowest number the last 3 years and highlighted that. He shot 40% last year and 35.6% (with a bum ankle) his year with the Gophers. I'd call going from 34.9 to 35.6 to 40 a positive trend. You, being a total dickhead as you always are, go ahead and highlight his sophomore season, which was actually FOUR YEARS removed from this upcoming season.

So who should think before they type? I'll take a kid's most recent stats over something that happened a full college career ago. Have you ever heard that people develop quite a bit between the ages of 18 and 22? Why don't you go ahead and pull his high school stats and talk about those?
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OK. So now you're pivoting again. So we both agree that 34% from 2 is just OK. Cool. I'm glad you're not pretending that is better than OK anymore. So on to your next pivot.

I didn't take his lowest number from any year. Again, you continue to be stupid. You should think before you type, dummy. I looked at his numbers playing in the SEC and the Big 10. The TOTAL numbers. I didn't cherry pick. He was a 34% 3 PT shooter in those THREE years. So yes, you should think before you type because you are always f'n wrong.

I didn't include his numbers playing for the College of Charleston. Because you're pretending not to understand, guys like Demir and Brock Stull were good shooters in bad conferences. Peyton Willis was a good shooter in a bad conference. We're in a good conference.

As far as me hurting your feelings, go re-read my post. I wasn't bashing the guy. I said some good things and some bad things. You can continue to be impressed that his numbers were good when he took a drastic step back in level of competition and you can continue to cry about my pretty even post. I am sorry that I don't think a person who has three full seasons shooting ~34% from is MORE than an OK shooter. I know it seems to have really hurt your feelings.
 

Someone is quite obviously triggered, but it isn't WriterGoph.

I welcome Payton back and will take 40% from 3 (not 2) for sure. That said, I am really hoping the crown jewels of this round are yet to come. We have some very nice pieces, but we need a little star power. I want a stud PG and a conf honorable-mention+ big. If we don't get those, we are bottom feeders.
 

GopherJake said:
Someone is quite obviously triggered, but it isn't WriterGoph.

I welcome Payton back and will take 40% from 3 (not 2) for sure. That said, I am really hoping the crown jewels of this round are yet to come. We have some very nice pieces, but we need a little star power. I want a stud PG and a conf honorable-mention+ big. If we don't get those, we are bottom feeders.
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Our favorite little runaway! Still don't want to take that bet?

Go ahead and ready my innocuous post. It sent WrongerGoph off.
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
OK. So now you're pivoting again. So we both agree that 34% from 2 is just OK. Cool. I'm glad you're not pretending that is better than OK anymore. So on to your next pivot.

I didn't take his lowest number from any year. Again, you continue to be stupid. You should think before you type, dummy. I looked at his numbers playing in the SEC and the Big 10. The TOTAL numbers. I didn't cherry pick. He was a 34% 3 PT shooter in those THREE years. So yes, you should think before you type because you are always f'n wrong.

I didn't include his numbers playing for the College of Charleston. Because you're pretending not to understand, guys like Demir and Brock Stull were good shooters in bad conferences. Peyton Willis was a good shooter in a bad conference. We're in a good conference.

As far as me hurting your feelings, go re-read my post. I wasn't bashing the guy. I said some good things and some bad things. You can continue to be impressed that his numbers were good when he took a drastic step back in level of competition and you can continue to cry about my pretty even post. I am sorry that I don't think a person who has three full seasons shooting ~34% from is MORE than an OK shooter. I know it seems to have really hurt your feelings.
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It's ok. WriteGopher also thinks all assistant coaches are the same thus AZ got their Ben Johnson, just the white version.
 




I always liked Payton as a player, and I was bummed when he left. I remember him as a good but not great outside shooter, but it looks like he might have improved a little in that regard. One way or another, very glad to have him back. We know he can play in this league because he HAS.
 

Bad Gopher said:
I always liked Payton as a player, and I was bummed when he left. I remember him as a good but not great outside shooter, but it looks like he might have improved a little in that regard. One way or another, very glad to have him back. We know he can play in this league because he HAS.
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He is at the very least a steady player, something we definitely lacked this past season.
 


They have a rag tag stitched lineup that can be unpredictable and dangerous.
 



SixBySix said:
I, for one, am really looking forward to announcers trying to explain to the confused casual fan why he didn't get any minutes for the Gophers this past year.
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When he heard the Gophers hired a famous Canadian sprinter, that's all it took!
 


Bob_Loblaw said:
Our favorite little runaway! Still don't want to take that bet?

Go ahead and ready my innocuous post. It sent WrongerGoph off.
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What are you 12? I left the thread because it was way off-topic of b-ball discussion, which is what you suggested I do, counselor. Now you are here to fuck up another civil discussion with schoolyard taunts? As far as the bet, no, I do not want to bet. You have me convinced, you are likely a lawyer.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
OK. So now you're pivoting again. So we both agree that 34% from 2 is just OK. Cool. I'm glad you're not pretending that is better than OK anymore. So on to your next pivot.

I didn't take his lowest number from any year. Again, you continue to be stupid. You should think before you type, dummy. I looked at his numbers playing in the SEC and the Big 10. The TOTAL numbers. I didn't cherry pick. He was a 34% 3 PT shooter in those THREE years. So yes, you should think before you type because you are always f'n wrong.

I didn't include his numbers playing for the College of Charleston. Because you're pretending not to understand, guys like Demir and Brock Stull were good shooters in bad conferences. Peyton Willis was a good shooter in a bad conference. We're in a good conference.

As far as me hurting your feelings, go re-read my post. I wasn't bashing the guy. I said some good things and some bad things. You can continue to be impressed that his numbers were good when he took a drastic step back in level of competition and you can continue to cry about my pretty even post. I am sorry that I don't think a person who has three full seasons shooting ~34% from is MORE than an OK shooter. I know it seems to have really hurt your feelings.
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As someone else already pointed out, it was extremely odd that you would go 4 and 5 years back on a kid's stats to try and make your point. It was almost as if you were trying to find the negative?

How many times has there been a college player who - during his 23-year-old season - performed at the same level as his 18-year-old season. Answer: very rarely

When you factor in that Willis' 3pt % has gone up literally EVERY season since that 18-year-old year, that there Sideshow Bob is what we call a TREND.

Man, it's almost like you just came to this board to say inflammatory stuff to people on the OTB board and you're totally new to the whole concept of how college sports works.
 

GopherJake said:
What are you 12? I left the thread because it was way off-topic of b-ball discussion, which is what you suggested I do, counselor. Now you are here to fuck up another civil discussion with schoolyard taunts? As far as the bet, no, I do not want to bet. You have me convinced, you are likely a lawyer.
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Look at my original post. It was 100% civil and your idiot in arms was butt hurt that I said Payton Willis is a an OK shooter. That's what set him off. He was obviously still butt hurt from another thread. My post that set this off was 100% on point and completely uncontroversial. Writer cried. You were still sad from the other day and joined on.

As far as going off-topic on a basketball board, are you completely incapable of reading the thread title? Why did you click into it? It was posted by someone at GH and it was clearly not about basketball. I didn't take it off topic, it was off topic. You left that thread because you were humiliated. Then you cried to get it pulled down. Because you're our favorite little runaway.

So I'm glad you're finally admitting that you didn't want to make that bet. I called it before I offered it to you. You say sh!t you can't stand by and cry to the mods.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Look at my original post. It was 100% civil and your idiot in arms was butt hurt that I said Payton Willis is a an OK shooter. That's what set him off. He was obviously still butt hurt from another thread. My post that set this off was 100% on point and completely uncontroversial. Writer cried. You were still sad from the other day and joined on.

As far as going off-topic on a basketball board, are you completely incapable of reading the thread title? Why did you click into it? It was posted by someone at GH and it was clearly not about basketball. I didn't take it off topic, it was off topic. You left that thread because you were humiliated. Then you cried to get it pulled down. Because you're our favorite little runaway.

So I'm glad you're finally admitting that you didn't want to make that bet. I called it before I offered it to you. You say sh!t you can't stand by and cry to the mods.
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You okay Bob? Seem a little stressed out man.
 


WriterGoph said:
As someone else already pointed out, it was extremely odd that you would go 4 and 5 years back on a kid's stats to try and make your point. It was almost as if you were trying to find the negative?

How many times has there been a college player who - during his 23-year-old season - performed at the same level as his 18-year-old season. Answer: very rarely

When you factor in that Willis' 3pt % has gone up literally EVERY season since that 18-year-old year, that there Sideshow Bob is what we call a TREND.

Man, it's almost like you just came to this board to say inflammatory stuff to people on the OTB board and you're totally new to the whole concept of how college sports works.
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Holy sh!t, you can't read. You literally cannot read.

I pulled his stats for his three years (ALL OF THEM) playing in the Big 10 and SEC. You know, comparable conferences. You called him a 40% 3PT shooter when he played his 1 season against crap competition. If anyone cherry-picked, it was you.

As far as Willis's 18 year old season, I am not comparing him to just that season. He was a 31% shooter from 3 that year. If I were, I would have called him a bad shooter. He had two more seasons, against good competition, and he was a 34-35% 3 PT shooter. For a guy who is a shooter, that isn't great. It's not horrible. It's OK. You really love the work he did against lesser competition.

You and our favorite little runaway keep pointing towards me attacking you all but won't comment on just how innocuous my original post. I said some good and some sort of bad. You and the little runaway were clearly butthurt from other threads and brought that to this one.
 

Parcival said:
You okay Bob? Seem a little stressed out man.
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Never been better. Sitting on my desk and relaxing.

Does typing stress you out? There are courses that might help you reduce some of that anxiety with typing.
 

goldenboy said:
People that are thinking that Willis is a point guard obviously don’t remember when he last played here.
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Yeah I'm okay with him coming back but he is not even a particularly good ballhandler by shooting guard standards.
 

goldenboy said:
People that are thinking that Willis is a point guard obviously don’t remember when he last played here.
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I disagree, actually. He played point when Carr wasn't in, and played it well. Unfortunately for him, Carr led the entire world in minutes played. I remember hearing that one of the reasons he left was so he could have a chance to handle the ball more, which wasn't going to happen this past year with the Pitino-Carr oligarchy.
 

Frink said:
Yeah I'm okay with him coming back but he is not even a particularly good ballhandler by shooting guard standards.
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Yeah, he really only brings shooting to the table. For him to be a productive player on the court, he has to shoot well at a pretty high volume.
 

Urbandale said:
I disagree, actually. He played point when Carr wasn't in, and played it well. Unfortunately for him, Carr led the entire world in minutes played. I remember hearing that one of the reasons he left was so he could have a chance to handle the ball more, which wasn't going to happen this past year with the Pitino-Carr oligarchy.
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You remember a better handle than the shaky one I remember. When Carr went to the bench I was watching the clock and hoping we could stay close until he got back in. I’m not upset he’s coming back, as I was kind of bummed he left, but we still need a true PG.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, he really only brings shooting to the table. For him to be a productive player on the court, he has to shoot well at a pretty high volume.
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I remember him being a good defender prior to injuring his ankle his last year with us, but it’s been a while so maybe my memory is off.
 

I was disappointed when he left and am happy he's back. He's no superstar but he is a contributor and we need all of those we can get.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Holy sh!t, you can't read. You literally cannot read.

I pulled his stats for his three years (ALL OF THEM) playing in the Big 10 and SEC. You know, comparable conferences. You called him a 40% 3PT shooter when he played his 1 season against crap competition. If anyone cherry-picked, it was you.

As far as Willis's 18 year old season, I am not comparing him to just that season. He was a 31% shooter from 3 that year. If I were, I would have called him a bad shooter. He had two more seasons, against good competition, and he was a 34-35% 3 PT shooter. For a guy who is a shooter, that isn't great. It's not horrible. It's OK. You really love the work he did against lesser competition.

You and our favorite little runaway keep pointing towards me attacking you all but won't comment on just how innocuous my original post. I said some good and some sort of bad. You and the little runaway were clearly butthurt from other threads and brought that to this one.
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BRO, I understand what you did. I'm telling you as someone that has watched and remembered A LOT more sports than you, that it's a dogshit point. F-ing Baker Mayfield couldn't touch the field when he was 18 at Texas Tech. Then he matured and a few years later won the Heisman for Oklahoma. Rui Hachimura averaged 2.6 points and 1.4 rebounds as a freshman at Gonzaga. 2 years later, he was one of the best players in college basketball. There are hundreds more examples just like this.

He played one year in a lesser conference. I don't care. His 3pt trend has been rising each year in his college career. You choose to use something that happened 5 YEARS AGO when he was barely an adult. I understand how young men mature between 18 and 22 and put more weight in his recent trends and results. We'll see who is right next season. I'd wager he shoots 36% or over next year - which back to my original point - makes him a "more than OK" shooter.
 

Urbandale said:
I disagree, actually. He played point when Carr wasn't in, and played it well. Unfortunately for him, Carr led the entire world in minutes played. I remember hearing that one of the reasons he left was so he could have a chance to handle the ball more, which wasn't going to happen this past year with the Pitino-Carr oligarchy.
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He would for very brief moments but he was pretty clearly not a PG. He'd take the ball up court and immediately get rid of it. He wasn't really running the offense (to the best of my recollection).

Marcus Carr played an absurd amount of minutes that year and Greenlee was his backup (got most of those minutes). It actually led to Greenlee having one of the most bizarre statistical seasons where he played in like 20 games and averaged like 3 minutes per game. Like he was genuinely playing 3 minutes in every game. It was one of Pitino's strangest allocations of minutes.

As far as Willis, I could be wrong. I'm just going off my memory.
 

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