The Big 10 made a huge mistake, change my mind...

[gopheraschells]

Pull your head out of the sand dude, Sweden followed 100 years of pandemic management. They effectively have achieved herd immunity (more than half of the healthy population is already immune, rest have manageable symptoms). We should play the B1G ten schedule over there.

Again, think the BIG TEN should play football, but give this Sweeden thing a rest. You are trying to compare countries with huge differences in population, healthcare systems, and overall health. It is apples and oranges. There are plenty of other good arguments to be made. Quit using this shitty one.

Thanks

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

Again, think the BIG TEN should play football, but give this Sweeden thing a rest. You are trying to compare countries with huge differences in population, healthcare systems, and overall health. It is apples and oranges. There are plenty of other good arguments to be made. Quit using this shitty one.

Thanks

I'd agree that comparing Sweden to the entire US is apples and oranges. But so is comparing New Zealand, Italy, Germany or many countries to the US. You could compare some of them to individual states though.

Sweden may have mostly universal health care, but they are not a socialist country.

 

[builtbadgers]

This is super rich coming from the guy who follows an 80-year-old poster around the board incessantly calling him a "fraud" 1,000 times.

He is still at it ? I have him blocked because it saves me time and the board from empty insults. They were offered the chance to meet me and coaching friends so he could see and hear who i am, nothing to hide here. He likely does not know what fraud means. A fraud would not be able to prove who they are. The general idea of calling someone a name is likely what they are themselves.

 

[gopherguy]

Pull your head out of the sand dude, Sweden followed 100 years of pandemic management. They effectively have achieved herd immunity (more than half of the healthy population is already immune, rest have manageable symptoms). We should play the B1G ten schedule over there.

You're simply wrong. See the link below. And if you don't believe this there are several other articles you can find on your own that state the same.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

 

[howeda7]

You're simply wrong. See the link below. And if you don't believe this there are several other articles you can find on your own that state the same.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

The other place he endlessly praises, South Dakota, now has the highest # of active cases it's had since mid-May. There are already outbreaks on some of the football teams beginning practice.

 

[BarnBurner]

This is super rich coming from the guy who follows an 80-year-old poster around the board incessantly calling him a "fraud" 1,000 times.

I believe in accuracy.

 

[BarnBurner]

He is still at it ? I have him blocked because it saves me time and the board from empty insults. They were offered the chance to meet me and coaching friends so he could see and hear who i am, nothing to hide here. He likely does not know what fraud means. A fraud would not be able to prove who they are. The general idea of calling someone a name is likely what they are themselves.

Offered to meet you? Another outright lie.

 

[PMWinSTP]

So

Offered to meet you? Another outright lie.

So you're saying you would?

 

[WriterGoph]

Offered to meet you? Another outright lie.

Accuracy? I gave examples of what other countries did with their COVID lockdowns and you called me a tool.

Italy required people to have paperwork to be out and about. Chile gave everyone a scheduled window when they could go to the grocery store each week so there wouldn't be mass chaos at the stores.

 

[builtbadgers]

So

So you're saying you would?

No idea what he says, he is on ignore. Offer still stands to meet when games and practices start to go on a scouting session with me and other coaches to talk basketball, see what he knows, what insight he has. He will have the chance to ask any questions he likes. Up to this point it is just name calling . He will not find a single thing that is not true, how coaches were hired, how kids were scouted, noted success of other programs. Fine with me if he passes and continues to call people names. Each person conducts themselves the way they choose. I come to message boards to exchange ideas, facts and to hear other takes.

 

[Block M]

Based on the studies available, roughly 50% of people in the US already had T-cells that had been primed through exposure to other coronaviruses to combat COVID, so they’ll never get COVID. Add that to most of the country already having close to or in excess of 20% of the population with antibodies and we really are pretty close to herd immunity it appears... This also seems to correlate pretty closely with the statistics from every state that I’ve looked at.

There is no evidence that the baseline T-cell reactivity against the Covid spike protein observed in some naive people is protective. It could confer some level of protection or it might not confer any at all. In my county about 2.5% of those tested are seropositive--a long, long way from herd immunity.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

The other place he endlessly praises, South Dakota, now has the highest # of active cases it's had since mid-May. There are already outbreaks on some of the football teams beginning practice.

And...? Having some players test positive does not exactly always equate to "OUTBREAK!!!" There are going to be positives. Period. Everywhere. There are going to be positive tests all over the country, no matter where you. This isn't going to change. It's how you manage it and deal with it and keep moving forward that's important.

It almost seems like like there are people who think some of these teams, conferences, leagues, companies, et al just decided to move forward with zero contingency plans and expected to have no positive tests. Just stupid talk. Everyone knows there are going to be positive tests. You manage it, protect those that are more vulnerable, and life goes on.

 

[MplsGopher]

^^ says a guy who lives in Vegas, didn’t attend the U of MN, and advocates for defunding higher education.

Seriously: go away.

 

[BarnBurner]

So

So you're saying you would?

Why not? Just caught him in yet another lie, however.

 

[alchemy2u]

Pull your head out of the sand dude, Sweden followed 100 years of pandemic management. They effectively have achieved herd immunity (more than half of the healthy population is already immune, rest have manageable symptoms). We should play the B1G ten schedule over there.

You had better check where you are getting the "data" that you claim justifies you conclusions.
Here is an op ed from a group of medical professionals in Sweden. They says that the infection rate in Sweden is at most 10% which is no where near heard immunity (even for the flu).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...munity-drove-up-death-toll-column/5472100002/

 

[golf]

The ACC will pull the plug within 10 days. Whether the SEC and Big 12 are stubborn enough to plow ahead, we'll see.

You almost sound hopeful they cant play?

 

[MplsGopher]

I’d like to think that everyone would hope that student-athletes wouldn’t be de facto forced to play games for our entertainment, like gladiator slaves.

But I already know that’s not the case.

 

[PoockItInfor6]

There is no evidence that the baseline T-cell reactivity against the Covid spike protein observed in some naive people is protective. It could confer some level of protection or it might not confer any at all. In my county about 2.5% of those tested are seropositive--a long, long way from herd immunity.

When I asked my sister about this (she is a biologist who is literally working on antibody tests), she said that my interpretation was correct and that she had also read a paper that came out in June in which the study Showed 50% having CD4+ T cell recognition of covid 19 proteins due to previous exposure to other common cold corona viruses.
I’m much more of a numbers guy, and when I look at the trends they seem to match...

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

You almost sound hopeful they cant play?

Without question. For some folks, seeing football, or any fall sports succeed anywhere in the country would be terribly disappointing. There is a strong and deep desire for the morale of the country to be as low as possible. At least for another 74 days anyway

 

[golf]

I’d like to think that everyone would hope that student-athletes wouldn’t be de facto forced to play games for our entertainment, like gladiator slaves.

But I already know that’s not the case.

How about we cheer for SEC, Big12, and ACC to have no problems so we can have some college football this fall.

 

[MplsGopher]

Won’t be watching any of those coward conferences.

NFL will be my football this fall.

Those clubs can actually afford to pay the costs to do what it takes to have a chance at preventing an outbreak on the team. And those are professionals. It’s appropriate.

 

[Block M]

When I asked my sister about this (she is a biologist who is literally working on antibody tests), she said that my interpretation was correct and that she had also read a paper that came out in June in which the study Showed 50% having CD4+ T cell recognition of covid 19 proteins due to previous exposure to other common cold corona viruses.
I’m much more of a numbers guy, and when I look at the trends they seem to match...

Having spike protein cross-reactive T- cells does mean those T cells confer protection to Covid-19. The only way to know would be to intentionally infect those people with Covid-19 and see if they got sick. I am not saying they don't confer some protection, but the current paper did not address it.

 

[Block M]

Won’t be watching any of those coward conferences.

NFL will be my football this fall.

Those clubs can actually afford to pay the costs to do what it takes to have a chance at preventing an outbreak on the team. And those are professionals. It’s appropriate.

Any of you follow European soccer? Champions League knockout rounds have been played without too much issue...sans fans. That is not the plan for SEC football.

 

[PoockItInfor6]

Having spike protein cross-reactive T- cells does mean those T cells confer protection to Covid-19. The only way to know would be to intentionally infect those people with Covid-19 and see if they got sick. I am not saying they don't confer some protection, but the current paper did not address it.

I’m more of a hard numbers guy, so I watch the data pretty closely... basically there are three different curves that all 50 states seem to fit into from what I’m seeing... the NY/NJ/DE/CT curve where mass transit is Much more prevalent and they got hit hard before everything shutdown... those states have maintained very minimal cars/transmission since that point (but from what I hear have also kept stricter guidelines in place generally). The TX/FL/CA/GA/AZ curve where they shut down for awhilebefore getting a big spike like the first group. Social distancing measures were kept in place but the residents stopped following them after a few months (many of these states started peaking around the 4th), likely because the scariness that happened in NY didn’t hit as close to home. These states peaked and are on the backside of their bell curves. There shapes are a little varied in how fast they decline, which Differs from the NY curve a little because the stricter social distancing isn’t being followed in these states. And then you have states like MN/SD where there hasn’t really been a “peak” yet... These seem to be states that have successfully “flattened the curve”, but some instances may just not have experienced the peak that other states have.

 

[PoockItInfor6]

I’m more of a hard numbers guy, so I watch the data pretty closely... basically there are three different curves that all 50 states seem to fit into from what I’m seeing... the NY/NJ/DE/CT curve where mass transit is Much more prevalent and they got hit hard before everything shutdown... those states have maintained very minimal cars/transmission since that point (but from what I hear have also kept stricter guidelines in place generally). The TX/FL/CA/GA/AZ curve where they shut down for awhilebefore getting a big spike like the first group. Social distancing measures were kept in place but the residents stopped following them after a few months (many of these states started peaking around the 4th), likely because the scariness that happened in NY didn’t hit as close to home. These states peaked and are on the backside of their bell curves. There shapes are a little varied in how fast they decline, which Differs from the NY curve a little because the stricter social distancing isn’t being followed in these states. And then you have states like MN/SD where there hasn’t really been a “peak” yet... These seem to be states that have successfully “flattened the curve”, but some instances may just not have experienced the peak that other states have.

Looking at these graphs, they seem to tie into the last story that roughly 50% have T-Cells that are geared up to battle COVID and states start seeing the benefits of herd immunity once they hit a 20% infection rate (which means 70% of people are no longer transmitting the virus), and was always the number pointed to by the experts as where herd immunity would kick in.

 

[golf]

I’m more of a hard numbers guy, so I watch the data pretty closely... basically there are three different curves that all 50 states seem to fit into from what I’m seeing... the NY/NJ/DE/CT curve where mass transit is Much more prevalent and they got hit hard before everything shutdown... those states have maintained very minimal cars/transmission since that point (but from what I hear have also kept stricter guidelines in place generally). The TX/FL/CA/GA/AZ curve where they shut down for awhilebefore getting a big spike like the first group. Social distancing measures were kept in place but the residents stopped following them after a few months (many of these states started peaking around the 4th), likely because the scariness that happened in NY didn’t hit as close to home. These states peaked and are on the backside of their bell curves. There shapes are a little varied in how fast they decline, which Differs from the NY curve a little because the stricter social distancing isn’t being followed in these states. And then you have states like MN/SD where there hasn’t really been a “peak” yet... These seem to be states that have successfully “flattened the curve”, but some instances may just not have experienced the peak that other states have.

Interesting. Would you say the southern states had a second wave or has been just one wave?

 

[PoockItInfor6]

Interesting. Would you say the southern states had a second wave or has been just one wave?

I’d say the initial wave was interrupted and then it just resumed once people started leaving their houses again!

 

[PoockItInfor6]

I’d say the initial wave was interrupted and then it just resumed once people started leaving their houses again!

I’m not trained in this area so certainly could be missing something, but the data just fits this story so very well it basically tells the story. So once I saw the blurb on the T-Cells being present for 50% of Americans, it made all the sense in the world when paired with the data.

 

[oak_street1981]

How about we cheer for SEC, Big12, and ACC to have no problems so we can have some college football this fall.

Joel Klatt made some very great points against the Big10 decision the day it happened on the BTN with Dave Resvine. I just searched on Youtube for that footage and it has been totally scrubbed.

In the lost interview Klatt pointed out that:
-goal- Virus was to be flattened, not stopped (15 days)
-Player health is not the issue, if that was the case being in camp or playing is way better
-the economic carnage to the D1 model and the long term loss of opportunities for all athletes beyond football is way worse than any Covid fallout to players
-Big Ten/ P12 Presidents are risk adverse and do not care about the players, only possible PR hit and liability legally- risk adverse group--- they need to be honest and just admit this

Resvine froze up and kept spewing Warren talking points and Klatt kept shooting them down.... it was great.

Joel Klatt is great. This is not the BTN material that has evaporated.

edit:
Klatt made a few more great points mostly never made:

-cases do not equal deaths- so what if cases happen? no big deal, they are 18-21 year olds
.young healthy athletes will almost never die
.most testing positive will not even know they were ill, but can be quarantined
.the at risk others... coaches, staff, ect can be self isolated
.for the "take it home to grandma crowd... "stay away from at risk people if you want to play"
.lastly.... if you are concerned, you do not have to play this year.

 

[oak_street1981]

So

So you're saying you would?

I do not agree with BB, or have at least doubted him on certain things, but I certainly would not duck a sincere invitation to interact with him directly if given a chance, at least if if my level of engagement online with him happened to be as high as some on these boards.

I'd say hello to BuiltBadger, and soak up a story or two at a hospitality tent, or pre-post game bar environment for sure if the opportunity ever arose. We are mostly not as reactionary, defensive, intolerant, and harsh as we end up being in the heat of posting on our dear GH.