K-State student athletes are taking a stand against racism

Be the death of George Floyd was terrible, tragic, awful. Hope his killer receives justice.

However the MSM trying to paint Floyd as Saint was rather sickening also. A bad criminal with 5 trips to the joint and terrible displays of human behavior, gun incident with pregnant woman was almost as bad as what one cop did to him. This kid was clearly reacting to MSM white washing of Floyd’s criminal past. (Clearly the context behind his tweet)

K State tell him he’s not welcome?? No, not in America. I Don't agree with that at all. Calm the hell down people.

You are giving this ahole at K State way to much credit. He wasn't reacting to the MSM's portrayal of Floyd he was just making a tasteless joke that blew up in his face for the sheer stupidity of it.
 

Easily 75%+ (perhaps far closer to 100%) agree with me. No humor in the single line of text, in the slightest. No emoji's or any other signaling of any kind of emotion or humor.
Lol! I don't think there are that many people as tone deaf as you are. Considering you have to keep trying to defend yourself against everyone else on this topic it points towards you being in the minority. You must be fun to hang around with. The underlined part is a joke(not a great one) and most people will be able to identify the humor even though I didn't put an emoji after it. See how it works?
You seem to be part of the "cancel culture" which needs to be put to an end because a person shouldn't be judged based off of one bad thing that they have done. If everyone was judged off of the worst thing they did in their life then everyone would look like a bad person.
 
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You are giving this ahole at K State way to much credit. He wasn't reacting to the MSM's portrayal of Floyd he was just making a tasteless joke that blew up in his face for the sheer stupidity of it.
He was reacting to someone’s portrayal of George Floyd that he didn’t agree with. I certainly didn’t appreciate his comment, but I’d say “no thanks” if someone wanted to build George Floyd monument or mural in my neighhood.
 

Lol! I don't think there are that many people as tone deaf as you are. Considering you have to keep trying to defend yourself against everyone else on this topic it points towards you being in the minority. You must be fun to hang around with. The underlined part is a joke(not a great one) and most people will be able to identify the humor even though I didn't put an emoji after it. See how it works?
You seem to be part of the "cancel culture" which needs to be put to an end because a person shouldn't be judged based off of one bad thing that they have done. If everyone was judged off of the worst thing they did in their life then everyone would look like a bad person.
Nailed it.
 

It's pretty standard that people don't run through a person's lowlights after their death. Nothing to do with MSM. have you ever gone to a funeral and someone said "he was a nice guy, but he had two DUIs" or "yeah, but he had a nasty coke habit."

My good friend was killed when she was hit by two cars crossing the street. She also happened to be intoxicated and took a bad step into the crosswalk. Did she deserve to die cause she was drunk? Do you think when I gave the eulogy, I said "Damn her for having a .15 BAC!" Get serious, man.

That's just not how death and remembering people works in this country. But yeah SURE it's the media because that's what fits your narrative.

Or maybe it's simply that the way George Floyd died had nothing to do with his past. You don't get to kill someone and then say "Oh, he deserved it for what he did 10 years ago."
Two things can be true at once. Floyd did not deserve to die and he was a despicable person, a true menace to society, truly a burden. Does not in any way excuse what that policeman did.
 


It's pretty standard that people don't run through a person's lowlights after their death. Nothing to do with MSM. have you ever gone to a funeral and someone said "he was a nice guy, but he had two DUIs" or "yeah, but he had a nasty coke habit."

My good friend was killed when she was hit by two cars crossing the street. She also happened to be intoxicated and took a bad step into the crosswalk. Did she deserve to die cause she was drunk? Do you think when I gave the eulogy, I said "Damn her for having a .15 BAC!" Get serious, man.

That's just not how death and remembering people works in this country. But yeah SURE it's the media because that's what fits your narrative.

Or maybe it's simply that the way George Floyd died had nothing to do with his past. You don't get to kill someone and then say "Oh, he deserved it for what he did 10 years ago."
Was your friend made a public figure? I am betting not. So your comparing of the situations is irrelevant, not saying it to be mean and sorry about your friend, but completely different situations.
 

Easily 75%+ (perhaps far closer to 100%) agree with me. No humor in the single line of text, in the slightest. No emoji's or any other signaling of any kind of emotion or humor.
You are completely misjudging support for your position and humor doesn't require emojis...in fact that very example of your stupidity is humor in and of itself to many of us. Happy 4th!!!!
 
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I'm not going to lie the person were the joke I thought it was funny. And honestly the first time I read it was on gopherhole. Then I thought was a bit sad. But definitely not hate speech and should not get him kicked out of a public university.
 

I'm not going to lie the person were the joke I thought it was funny. And honestly the first time I read it was on gopherhole. Then I thought was a bit sad. But definitely not hate speech and should not get him kicked out of a public university.
Your free to find it funny. I found it in poor taste and that does not mean you have poor taste. My friends come in every color. California is a true melting point. We will always trash each other with barbs, including my brothers calling me uncle tom. It depends who your with, what kind of relationship you share. We tell polish, jewish,asian, black, ole and lena and we laugh.
 



Your free to find it funny. I found it in poor taste and that does not mean you have poor taste. My friends come in every color. California is a true melting point. We will always trash each other with barbs, including my brothers calling me uncle tom. It depends who your with, what kind of relationship you share. We tell polish, jewish,asian, black, ole and lena and we laugh.
Being in poor taste is what makes it funny, if it were not in poor taste we would not be having a conversation...the joke landed.That said you are right on the rest and you are free to find funny the things you find funny.
 

I think you have a very loose definition of hatred.
This tweet was directed at no one (who is alive)

I don’t know Kansas States official policy on hate speech but the case that would be most applicable in my opinion was RAV vs city of St. Paul.
Which says symbols of hate speech can’t be used to punish but could be prosecuted under harassment policies.

Isn’t totally applicable because that is a case against a city ordinance but I would think you’d have to prove to whatever body would hold the expulsion hearing that the guy doing to tweet violated a harassment policy of some sort. It not being directed at anyone very much hurts the ability to expel him for it IMO.

I am no constitutional law expert
I am certainly no law expert either, which I've tried to make very clear. I doubt anyone who has the time to take out of their day to post on GH is.

Obviously, a statement can be racist, hate speech without being directed at any specific person. If an evil, hillbilly, redneck says something like all N words should be lynched, that statement isn't directed at anyone. I'm not saying that such a statement is comparable to what the student said. I'm using it to prove the point that just because it isn't directed at someone, doesn't mean it can't be designed to inflict pain and express hatred.
 

It depends on how I interpret the comment and the context in which it is said. Would I call for that person to lose his job and be blacklisted for his comment? No.

Therein lies the difference. I choose grace.
You choose vengeance.
Just because a law exists, doesn't mean a person is forced to file a civil suit. It merely affords the opportunity for legal remediation.

Therefore, just because you would forgo remediation, doesn't prove that no one else should have the opportunity.
 

As long as it’s in the form of non-racial tasteless jokes regarding his bad habits or other shortcomings I guess they’re even?

The fact some of you are advocating harassment and in some cases physical harm or torture is troubling.
Humans are human, not machines. If you take pleasure in provoking pain and emotional responses from them, you should have to deal with the consequences of that. I hope he will.
 



Lol! I don't think there are that many people as tone deaf as you are. Considering you have to keep trying to defend yourself against everyone else on this topic it points towards you being in the minority. You must be fun to hang around with. The underlined part is a joke(not a great one) and most people will be able to identify the humor even though I didn't put an emoji after it. See how it works?
You seem to be part of the "cancel culture" which needs to be put to an end because a person shouldn't be judged based off of one bad thing that they have done. If everyone was judged off of the worst thing they did in their life then everyone would look like a bad person.
Minority on GH, certainly. In the real world, my view is the majority.

Bolded: just wondering, do you think that would work as a defense in a court room? "Your honor, it is true that my client shot the plaintiff. But, that is only the worst thing he's ever done in his life. He has lived a great life and helped a lot of people. Therefore, he should not be punished."

I think that is just silly.

When you do something wrong, you're judged for that thing and receive punishment for that thing.
 

Your free to find it funny. I found it in poor taste and that does not mean you have poor taste. My friends come in every color. California is a true melting point. We will always trash each other with barbs, including my brothers calling me uncle tom. It depends who your with, what kind of relationship you share. We tell polish, jewish,asian, black, ole and lena and we laugh.

You are obviously a terrible person
 

Humans are human, not machines. If you take pleasure in provoking pain and emotional responses from them, you should have to deal with the consequences of that. I hope he will.

Who is he provoking pain in, exactly? Drug users and abusers? Close family? Who would forward the tweet to his close family? Wouldn’t THAT person then have culpability? There has been plenty worse said about Floyd on the internet.
 

Just because a law exists, doesn't mean a person is forced to file a civil suit. It merely affords the opportunity for legal remediation.

Therefore, just because you would forgo remediation, doesn't prove that no one else should have the opportunity.
Remediation over a personal interpretation of a sentence published in Twitter?

Honestly, you're acting like a snowflake.
 

Minority on GH, certainly. In the real world, my view is the majority.

Bolded: just wondering, do you think that would work as a defense in a court room? "Your honor, it is true that my client shot the plaintiff. But, that is only the worst thing he's ever done in his life. He has lived a great life and helped a lot of people. Therefore, he should not be punished."

I think that is just silly.

When you do something wrong, you're judged for that thing and receive punishment for that thing.
I think you are in the majority to the point that people think the joke was tasteless and unneeded(to which I would agree). But the majority of people don't think it was a form of racist hate speech(as you seem to believe). I think this argument has run its track and I'd rather focus on gopher sports and not ruining a kids life because of a joke.
 

I guess I keep coming back to this:

If you understand (or should understand) that a joke will be perceived as being in bad taste, and you tell it anyway, you have to own the response.

A lot of people seem to adopt the notion that, "well, I didn't think it was in bad taste" as if that absolves them from any negative response.

Under that standard, you could literally say anything, and as long as you respond with "I don't see anything wrong with the statement" - then that becomes a sort of 'get out of jail free' card.

at least have the self-awareness to acknowledge that some people might find the joke or statement as being in bad taste.
 

I'd suggest this student get ready to be tormented and harassed all semester long.

Why can't he grow a thicker skin??
I get your point, but my guess is that most of the students will be much kinder to the "joke" teller. The "A hole" got his 15 minutes of fame. Part of me hopes that if there is a next time, the students put pressure on the administration. However, I am not sure that will silence the bigoted idiot or not. As you can tell, there are many desiring to come to this idiots aid. The conversation will continue to spin away from decency and toward alleged noble issues such as freedom of speech, and free exchange of ideas. With that said, the other part of me thinks it is better to let the President's words stand, and let the spotlight move off of the idiot.
 

I'm not going to lie the person were the joke I thought it was funny. And honestly the first time I read it was on gopherhole. Then I thought was a bit sad. But definitely not hate speech and should not get him kicked out of a public university.
Kicked out? Perhaps not. Talked to by the Administration? Perhaps so.
 


I guess I keep coming back to this:

If you understand (or should understand) that a joke will be perceived as being in bad taste, and you tell it anyway, you have to own the response.

A lot of people seem to adopt the notion that, "well, I didn't think it was in bad taste" as if that absolves them from any negative response.

Under that standard, you could literally say anything, and as long as you respond with "I don't see anything wrong with the statement" - then that becomes a sort of 'get out of jail free' card.

at least have the self-awareness to acknowledge that some people might find the joke or statement as being in bad taste.
There is nothing wrong with telling a joke that is in poor taste, no apologies are owed to people. They get the humor in it or they don't. They can bitch and moan of course, but that doesn't change anything and someone's perceived "moral righteousness" doesn't also absolve them from ridiculous objections to where you force people to effectively double down telling them to pound sand...
 

There is nothing wrong with telling a joke that is in poor taste, no apologies are owed to people. They get the humor in it or they don't. They can bitch and moan of course, but that doesn't change anything and someone's perceived "moral righteousness" doesn't also absolve them from ridiculous objections to where you force people to effectively double down telling them to pound sand...
So what you are saying is:

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Two things can be true at once. Floyd did not deserve to die and he was a despicable person, a true menace to society, truly a burden. Does not in any way excuse what that policeman did.
You might see Floyd as "despicable, a true menace, a burden," but I see him as a symbol and a victim of systemic racism. He grew up in single parent household in a large public housing project in a section of Houston known as "The Brick." Ya, some kids beat the odds coming out of that environment, but a lot of kids don't escape the violence, drugs, and gangs. I'd guess your description of him comes from his criminal history; so are you calling over two million other black men that are in prison that also?

Floyd's first conviction came from a theft, not an armed robbery like some people claim. Then he had a series of convictions where he is pretty much a poster boy for the racism that was seen in the broken window, police sweeps type of actions that Houston and much of the U.S. was following in George Floyd's 20's and 30's. There was jail time for refusing to provide identification to a policeman and also for selling less than $10 worth of crack. BTW, NAACP's stats have drug use between whites and blacks as the same; yet blacks have six times more the incarceration rate. Talk about racism. The poor white person is seen as a victim in the opioid crises because he or she is dealing with losing a job. The black guy is just a criminal or drug dealer. You've also got asshole drug CEO's and salesman getting probation after getting convicted of pushing huge amounts of opioids that literally killed many people; while a black guy who's selling small amounts on the streets gets prison time for selling grams of crack.

No excuse for George Floyd's last conviction which was for an armed robbery, except that there was no mention of the woman being pregnant that he held the gun on. Very typical of Fox to give a whole lot of people a distraction or a type of sick excuse for him getting murdered and to avoid the racism. Sort of like the jogger deserving to being gunned down because he went into the house being constructed. Hell, we've got a guy on this thread claiming it was almost as bad as getting to choked to death by a cop in broad daylight. I know you didn't that, but I am disappointed in your view of George Floyd.

He appears to have moved to Minnesota because he knew he had to give himself a new start. He was volunteering at a church; there were quite a few people who thought he was a good guy; he still stayed in contact with his kids; he had a job until the pandemic hit. (Pretty sure you have seen how much tougher the pandemic has been on minorities.) All in all, he seems like a decent guy just trying to get by. Still making mistakes, but trying to make his move to Minnesota work out.
 


You might see Floyd as "despicable, a true menace, a burden," but I see him as a symbol and a victim of systemic racism. He grew up in single parent household in a large public housing project in a section of Houston known as "The Brick." Ya, some kids beat the odds coming out of that environment, but a lot of kids don't escape the violence, drugs, and gangs. I'd guess your description of him comes from his criminal history; so are you calling over two million other black men that are in prison that also?

Floyd's first conviction came from a theft, not an armed robbery like some people claim. Then he had a series of convictions where he is pretty much a poster boy for the racism that was seen in the broken window, police sweeps type of actions that Houston and much of the U.S. was following in George Floyd's 20's and 30's. There was jail time for refusing to provide identification to a policeman and also for selling less than $10 worth of crack. BTW, NAACP's stats have drug use between whites and blacks as the same; yet blacks have six times more the incarceration rate. Talk about racism. The poor white person is seen as a victim in the opioid crises because he or she is dealing with losing a job. The black guy is just a criminal or drug dealer. You've also got asshole drug CEO's and salesman getting probation after getting convicted of pushing huge amounts of opioids that literally killed many people; while a black guy who's selling small amounts on the streets gets prison time for selling grams of crack.

No excuse for George Floyd's last conviction which was for an armed robbery, except that there was no mention of the woman being pregnant that he held the gun on. Very typical of Fox to give a whole lot of people a distraction or a type of sick excuse for him getting murdered and to avoid the racism. Sort of like the jogger deserving to being gunned down because he went into the house being constructed. Hell, we've got a guy on this thread claiming it was almost as bad as getting to choked to death by a cop in broad daylight. I know you didn't that, but I am disappointed in your view of George Floyd.

He appears to have moved to Minnesota because he knew he had to give himself a new start. He was volunteering at a church; there were quite a few people who thought he was a good guy; he still stayed in contact with his kids; he had a job until the pandemic hit. (Pretty sure you have seen how much tougher the pandemic has been on minorities.) All in all, he seems like a decent guy just trying to get by. Still making mistakes, but trying to make his move to Minnesota work out.
It's a tough situation. Growing up where he did makes it easier to make bad choices which he did many times. Just because he came from a poor situation by no means excuses him from all of the horrible things he did but you can understand how he may have gotten roped into some of these situations. Based on the countless and continuous mistakes he made during the first 30+ years of his life is why I am ultimately against naming any street after him or building statues of him.
 

You might see Floyd as "despicable, a true menace, a burden," but I see him as a symbol and a victim of systemic racism. He grew up in single parent household in a large public housing project in a section of Houston known as "The Brick." Ya, some kids beat the odds coming out of that environment, but a lot of kids don't escape the violence, drugs, and gangs. I'd guess your description of him comes from his criminal history; so are you calling over two million other black men that are in prison that also?

Floyd's first conviction came from a theft, not an armed robbery like some people claim. Then he had a series of convictions where he is pretty much a poster boy for the racism that was seen in the broken window, police sweeps type of actions that Houston and much of the U.S. was following in George Floyd's 20's and 30's. There was jail time for refusing to provide identification to a policeman and also for selling less than $10 worth of crack. BTW, NAACP's stats have drug use between whites and blacks as the same; yet blacks have six times more the incarceration rate. Talk about racism. The poor white person is seen as a victim in the opioid crises because he or she is dealing with losing a job. The black guy is just a criminal or drug dealer. You've also got asshole drug CEO's and salesman getting probation after getting convicted of pushing huge amounts of opioids that literally killed many people; while a black guy who's selling small amounts on the streets gets prison time for selling grams of crack.

No excuse for George Floyd's last conviction which was for an armed robbery, except that there was no mention of the woman being pregnant that he held the gun on. Very typical of Fox to give a whole lot of people a distraction or a type of sick excuse for him getting murdered and to avoid the racism. Sort of like the jogger deserving to being gunned down because he went into the house being constructed. Hell, we've got a guy on this thread claiming it was almost as bad as getting to choked to death by a cop in broad daylight. I know you didn't that, but I am disappointed in your view of George Floyd.

He appears to have moved to Minnesota because he knew he had to give himself a new start. He was volunteering at a church; there were quite a few people who thought he was a good guy; he still stayed in contact with his kids; he had a job until the pandemic hit. (Pretty sure you have seen how much tougher the pandemic has been on minorities.) All in all, he seems like a decent guy just trying to get by. Still making mistakes, but trying to make his move to Minnesota work out.
I said nothing about two million people, it is case by case, person by person for me. So much of what you say about incarceration is true. As a person of color i feel strongly about systemic racism but i also believe in people following rules and laws and not self inflicting self suffering regardless of color. Taking personal responsibility for yourself is critical and yes, kids that are taught that at home have great advantages. Everyone i know that made it followed rules and order. There are wonderful people of every color and creed and horrible people of every color and creed. I look at white collar pharma criminals in the same vane as cartel and gang street dealers. I said Floyd did not deserve to be murdered. I do see him in a very different way then you do. Breaking into home in a robbery is a vicious and vile display of what it means to be human. Second chance, ok....but what of minimizing his repeated poor choices. What of the people he scared to death. In touch with his kids, what about being there for them. Fyi, i do not watch fox news. I research the public record on what George Floyd did. I respect your opinion but i have my own. In my world no one gets a free card of excuses without taking some personal responsibility. As a society we can do so much better, to help in the right way.
 

I said nothing about two million people, it is case by case, person by person for me. So much of what you say about incarceration is true. As a person of color i feel strongly about systemic racism but i also believe in people following rules and laws and not self inflicting self suffering regardless of color. Taking personal responsibility for yourself is critical and yes, kids that are taught that at home have great advantages. Everyone i know that made it followed rules and order. There are wonderful people of every color and creed and horrible people of every color and creed. I look at white collar pharma criminals in the same vane as cartel and gang street dealers. I said Floyd did not deserve to be murdered. I do see him in a very different way then you do. Breaking into home in a robbery is a vicious and vile display of what it means to be human. Second chance, ok....but what of minimizing his repeated poor choices. What of the people he scared to death. In touch with his kids, what about being there for them. Fyi, i do not watch fox news. I research the public record on what George Floyd did. I respect your opinion but i have my own. In my world no one gets a free card of excuses without taking some personal responsibility. As a society we can do so much better, to help in the right way.

This is taking off on what Mulligan first stated, and it's something I wrote in a Facebook response to the abhorrent Candace Owens video that she streamed:
So, let's address that history-yes, Floyd had a long rap sheet starting in '97 and culminating in aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon in 2007, which lead to a 5 year prison stint from 2009-2014.
* In 2014, he moved from Houston to Minneapolis to get a fresh start. He had two jobs (truck driver and bouncer) and did not have any criminal record during that time period until his death.
* There's several links and stories, including Christianity Today, stating that Floyd was an active Church member who mentored area youth. This was not mentioned by Owens.
* She did mention the drugs that were found in Floyd's toxicology report and concluded that he was back on track as a "career black criminal".
TIME OUT: So, to recap about Floyd's history, as I can piece it together: He had an extensive criminal history for a 10 year period, which seems to have coincided with hard drug use. After getting out of prison, his record was clean, he was working two jobs, and involved in his church and mentoring. Isn't this the ideal track that we want criminals to take after being in jail? I forgot to mention, but it was reported that he'd been out of work with the onset of COVID-19 quarantine and having contracted the disease himself. Anyone who knows or has worked with someone who struggles with addiction knows that stress exacerbates and causes people to backslide into addiction-and I'd have to think Floyd suddenly being unemployed for a period of 2 months was causing him some stress. All this being said, it really doesn't matter, because there was absolutely no reason for the police officer to have his knee on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds with nearly three minutes of that time being unresponsive.
 





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