Gophers QB job up for grabs

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I think Weber should hit the buffet circuit and let himself gain 20 to 25 lbs, and come back ready for a move to his future position...H-Back/TE in the Jimmy Kleinsasser mold. When will Brewster and the Gopher Nation realize where his future lies??? Its sure the hell aint gonna be as a winning QB at this or any other level.

By the way, where are the Weber supporters from 2 years ago who defended his sorry ass and chastised me for calling for this move????

Gray is the future QB. Weber will play but not as a QB...Unless Brewster wants to go down with him.
 

DLguy said:
Football holds 5x as many people and tickets are much more expensive per game, plus football tv contracts are much larger because they are national. Basketball makes more money than hockey as well. Hockey isnt as big here as some people would like to believe. It is a regional sport, not a national sport.
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I love Gopher hockey, but hockey is only "huge" at three schools--Minnesota, Wiskey, and the Fighting Sewage. It's "pretty big" at Boston U, Colorado College, Michigan, New Hampshire. The small-school division one hockey schools don't really count. Minnesota is very provincial about Gopher hockey. Outside Minnesota, even the Twin Cities for that matter--no one cares.
 

the same people who think its still rediculous now. Weber to TE. I love it, and so missed this. Thank you.
 

Moses87 said:
I think Weber should hit the buffet circuit and let himself gain 20 to 25 lbs, and come back ready for a move to his future position...H-Back/TE in the Jimmy Kleinsasser mold. When will Brewster and the Gopher Nation realize where his future lies??? Its sure the hell aint gonna be as a winning QB at this or any other level.

By the way, where are the Weber supporters from 2 years ago who defended his sorry ass and chastised me for calling for this move????

Gray is the future QB. Weber will play but not as a QB...Unless Brewster wants to go down with him.
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I'll still defend him. I still can't believe you think that will ever happen. I also want to say thank for this--never gets old.
 

highwayman said:
I love Gopher hockey, but hockey is only "huge" at three schools--Minnesota, Wiskey, and the Fighting Sewage. It's "pretty big" at Boston U, Colorado College, Michigan, New Hampshire. The small-school division one hockey schools don't really count. Minnesota is very provincial about Gopher hockey. Outside Minnesota, even the Twin Cities for that matter--no one cares.
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When I asked the question (over who made more money), I was totally aware that it is a very regional sport. I just assumed the U probably makes more money on television rights with FSN (exclusively bargained, sort of like an extreme mini version of Notre Dame), than it does with their football contracts. In hindsight, my question was probably stupid (yes, there are stupid questions), but it had nothing to do with any thought that college hockey was near the level of college football.

But my main question was....if the NCAA had a predetermined order for which sport brings in the most revenue or if it is taken on a school by school basis? For example, Duke Bball probably makes more than Duke football, Villanova bball probably makes more than nova football, etc.
 


Schnoodler said:
Consider this scenario, not saying it's going to happen. But given other teams who's QB's have ended up as recievers (NW and IA) lately I can't discount it. Let's say Gray turns out to be a great reciever, and let's assume his skill set was compormised by the switch from the spread, and let's say that Alipate's skill set was elevated by the switch. Perhaps we have a situation where the total team strength is best with Gray as a reciever. It may be that our best athlete is not our best QB, and it may be that our best QB is not Gray and still is a top pro style recruit. There are some awfully good athletes that play reciever.

The knock on Alipate wasn't that he wasn't good, it's that he didn't seem like a great spread QB and one of our posters disliked him. Just saying, it's not out of the question that Gray becomes a WR.
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I totally agree Schnoodler, but I think a lot of that depends upon how good Parrish looks. If Parrish comes in and looks like he could be a quality Big 10 QB (for 2011 season). Then I think you have to strongly consider moving either Moses or Gray. Both of them are good enough athletes to excel at other positions. If Gray comes in and is noticeably a better QB than Moses, then you try Moses out at TE. If Alipate looks to be a better fit at QB, then you give Gray a chance to prove himself at WR. It is the best thing for the Gopher program and for these kids.
 

I believe it's a hierarchy of which sports are likely to cheat. Football wins. They would be the most likely one to try to extend their scholarship limits by having another pick up the scholarship burden. It's then conveniently rationalized by roster size. I believe there is a penalty to the other sport, they don't lose a scholarship but are required to assign a roster spot. So it will hurt them if they placate a kid by saying he can play both. This is all stuff I read along time ago, and my memory isn't so good. so take it for what it's worth. Grunk is the expert all things NCAA.

If you're a glutton for punishment it's somewhere in the NCAA site. it's a painful process to find it.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I totally agree Schnoodler, but I think a lot of that depends upon how good Parrish looks. If Parrish comes in and looks like he could be a quality Big 10 QB (for 2011 season). Then I think you have to strongly consider moving either Moses or Gray. Both of them are good enough athletes to excel at other positions. If Gray comes in and is noticeably a better QB than Moses, then you try Moses out at TE. If Alipate looks to be a better fit at QB, then you give Gray a chance to prove himself at WR. It is the best thing for the Gopher program and for these kids.
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How mobile is Alipate?

With our offensive line, he won't last a half at QB...Move Alipate to Tight End where he can study for a year under his mentor...Weber!
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I totally agree Schnoodler, but I think a lot of that depends upon how good Parrish looks. If Parrish comes in and looks like he could be a quality Big 10 QB (for 2011 season). Then I think you have to strongly consider moving either Moses or Gray. Both of them are good enough athletes to excel at other positions. If Gray comes in and is noticeably a better QB than Moses, then you try Moses out at TE. If Alipate looks to be a better fit at QB, then you give Gray a chance to prove himself at WR. It is the best thing for the Gopher program and for these kids.
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I think it's the same argument, using Parrish instead of Alipate. Even more reason to think that the future isn't as predictable as it might seem.

Seems I remember in the fall about Weber saying how great Gray is as a reciever, like he makes the most athletic catches of the bunch. He's built for only two spots in my mind, QB or WR, too big for RB. He might just be a great reciever that has never been put in that role.
 



Moses87 said:
How mobile is Alipate?

With our offensive line, he won't last a half at QB...Move Alipate to Tight End where he can study for a year under his mentor...Weber!
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I think we should just dump the QB spot and go with a two TE set, and wildcat every play.
 


If Hageman moves to DE, it's not like we have anyone who really seems like he would be the obvious heir apparent to the position. The idea of playing Weber at TE doesn't make sense at this point in his career (and it never really made sense), but I don't get why the idea of Alipate moving to TE is laughable (assuming Gray is the obvious answer at QB). The kid is 6'5" 230lbs (true freshman), and he could easily put 15 lbs on and have ideal size for an NFL TE (and he is definitely athletic enough).

I'm not saying Moses can't make it as a QB, but assuming Gray is the better QB (if he is better, move Gray to WR), then we have to put our best athletes on the field.

If we don't move people around who is the obvious answer at TE (where we would need to be running multiple TE sets)...Lair? Rengell (maybe?).
 

I think that all the QB's should be moved to TE. And all the TE's should be moved to QB.
 



We get your joke, you've said it four times. Why is moving Moses to TE laughable while it makes sense to move Gray to WR?
 

you're not well versed in Moses lore i see.

I have no idea if Alipate can play TE.
 

Schnoodler said:
Consider this scenario, not saying it's going to happen. But given other teams who's QB's have ended up as recievers (NW and IA) lately I can't discount it. Let's say Gray turns out to be a great reciever, and let's assume his skill set was compormised by the switch from the spread, and let's say that Alipate's skill set was elevated by the switch. Perhaps we have a situation where the total team strength is best with Gray as a reciever. It may be that our best athlete is not our best QB, and it may be that our best QB is not Gray and still is a top pro style recruit. There are some awfully good athletes that play reciever.

The knock on Alipate wasn't that he wasn't good, it's that he didn't seem like a great spread QB and one of our posters disliked him. Just saying, it's not out of the question that Gray becomes a WR.
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If Gray becomes a receiver and Alipate a starting QB, Brewster would have sealed his fate as Gophers head Coach and will be fired. As Gray goes so does Brewster, He is Brewster's #1 recruit in this program and is how he will be ultimately judged.
 

I think as the record goes so does Brewster. You assume to much my fellow supporter.

Now the Fisch hire, that's an all in move there.
 

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Weber has played injured the whole season and has not been healthy since last summer. How else do explain the change from last year to this season?
 

It's hard to explain. It could be a combination of a lot of things (new offense, new throwing motion, injury, just regressed, etc). However, he was making terrible decisions on the field as well. Those decisions would have nothing to do with his injury. I can think of a lot of his worst plays weren't just bad passes, but horrid decisions, so I don't think an injury can explain a whole lot.
 

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It makes sense to bring another QB who will make better decisions. Be careful what you wish for.
 

I'm not really wishing for anything (I was wishing that Gray would have gotten a series or two during the big 10 season), but now I just want the QB to play who gives us the best chance of winning. I was just pointing out that Weber was terrible this season physically and mentally.
 

i think it's easy to explain. weber was just never all that good. i like the guy, he's tough and gritty. but when you miss wide open guys who are 10 feet away, or you blindly throw a screen into a becky badger defender, or you throw it across the field lazily at a jackrabbit (btw, the way people here talk, you'd swear they can't catch a football, apparently they can) the examples can go on... all the crap about game plans, receivers running wrong routes, o line "not giving him time," all goes away. you're left with a guy who as a third year starter should be carrying the team, who should be making more plays than anyone else on the field like pretty much every other big ten QB does. but he doesn't and by this time we should know he never will. the guy can't do two good things in a row, every good thing he does is followed by a stupid mistake. he would be a good QB in the MAC, but he's bottom of the barrel in the big ten. even in his "all big ten" season he had 7 TD and 7 picks in big ten play... and that's with decker and the other receivers jumping, slowing down, and somehow adjusting to nearly every throw. he's so inconsistent, and as much as i like him as a leader or tough guy, there's no future with him. gray or alipate may not play fantastic in 2010, but at least there's hope that our QB will make more plays than the one on the other side, which very rarely happens with weber
 

bankonit said:
If Gray becomes a receiver and Alipate a starting QB, Brewster would have sealed his fate as Gophers head Coach and will be fired. As Gray goes so does Brewster, He is Brewster's #1 recruit in this program and is how he will be ultimately judged.
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Not if they win with that lineup.
 

Intheknowgopher said:
Weber has played injured the whole season and has not been healthy since last summer. How else do explain the change from last year to this season?
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He's been injured more so than most people know about. Not that that is an excuse for poor play, but it hasn't helped. A healthy Weber next year = a starting qb.
 

bankonit said:
If Gray becomes a receiver and Alipate a starting QB, Brewster would have sealed his fate as Gophers head Coach and will be fired. As Gray goes so does Brewster, He is Brewster's #1 recruit in this program and is how he will be ultimately judged.
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So if Gray catches 60 passes for 12 TDs and 1000 yards, Brew should be canned???
 

I agree. I'd rather see Gray throw a pick-6 (and hopefully learn from it) in a meaningless bowl game than in a BT game. If Gray is our QB of the future, the future starts now! OTOH, I wonder if Brewster is thinking he needs to win this game to get an extension, let alone keep his job. Powers had a column in today's StP paper pointing out that the Insight bowl is quickly becoming the graveyard of coaches.
 

I think people are overlooking Moses for next year. Moses has all the tools and is a bright kid. I think Moses may be the starting quarterback next year.
 

The QB to TE move has precedent. It worked at Wisconsin for Owen Daniels and he has had a great career with the Texans. He was similiarly rated to Allipate out of high school.
 



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