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60's Guy said:
No hope! Just a very sad comment... Personally, I'm proud to be a citizen of the USA. I'm proud of the people who fought for our freedom before me. And I'll continue to respect our flag and national anthem. If for a moment it conjures thought we are one country striving to be great together, I'd welcome that. If for a moment it reminds me to offer thanks to God for all the blessings we have, I'd like that. And if the participants recognize they are about to enter into a competitive contest to be fought hard striving for victory with sportsmanship a high priority...that would be nice too.

Obviously, the playing of our national anthem means none of those things or anything to you?
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All it really is is a contrived show of patriotism. MLB started doing it during war time as a marketing tool. It really has nothing to do with the game itself and if it wasn't already tradition it would be weird. I'm not really a fan of forced shows of patriotism in the first place. I'm glad to be American but America hasn't always been glad to have me and mine so my feelings towards flags and symbols aren't always cut and dried.
 

Some Day...Is Coming! said:
Donald Trump could have taken a sh^t on the American Flag and the majority of white people would have still voted for him for President of the United States. He disrespected the hell out of our military and its soldiers when he ridiculed former POW John McCain, the family of a Gold Star soldier who died fighting for this country, and when he said he knows more about Isis than any of our military's generals. Talk about disrespecting the men who have fought for this country! And he's now the President of the United States! It's pretty damn convenient for a hell of a lot of people to express outrage over a black man choosing not to stand for the national anthem, yet have no problem voting for the aforementioned. I can't believe so many grown ass men get their panties in a bunch over these guys taking a knee for the national anthem. It's every damn bit their country as it is yours, and it's pretty damn convenient how people choose when and how to express their patriotism. Their are soldiers who have actually fought in war for this country who don't mind these guys doing what they are doing. The NFL losing ratings and fans over that, you think Kaepernick cares? The fans, owners, and executives would be way more upset if the NFL were to go away than the players who are doing this would be. Pretty damn convenient when Jim Harbaugh blasted Kaepernick and then when his own players protested the anthem did a complete 180. Funny how that works, power. So is Jim Harbaugh unpatriotic because he supports his players protesting the anthem? How about Mark Dantonio?


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Well stated Some Day.


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oleboy41 said:
All it really is is a contrived show of patriotism. MLB started doing it during war time as a marketing tool. It really has nothing to do with the game itself and if it wasn't already tradition it would be weird. I'm not really a fan of forced shows of patriotism in the first place. I'm glad to be American but America hasn't always been glad to have me and mine so my feelings towards flags and symbols aren't always cut and dried.
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If you weren't "forced" to show your patriotism for a few minutes a day on the weekends when would you choose to show your patriotism? Is the timing inconvenient for you?
 


Some Day...Is Coming! said:
Donald Trump could have taken a sh^t on the American Flag and the majority of white people would have still voted for him for President of the United States. He disrespected the hell out of our military and its soldiers when he ridiculed former POW John McCain, the family of a Gold Star soldier who died fighting for this country, and when he said he knows more about Isis than any of our military's generals. Talk about disrespecting the men who have fought for this country! And he's now the President of the United States! It's pretty damn convenient for a hell of a lot of people to express outrage over a black man choosing not to stand for the national anthem, yet have no problem voting for the aforementioned. I can't believe so many grown ass men get their panties in a bunch over these guys taking a knee for the national anthem. It's every damn bit their country as it is yours, and it's pretty damn convenient how people choose when and how to express their patriotism. Their are soldiers who have actually fought in war for this country who don't mind these guys doing what they are doing. The NFL losing ratings and fans over that, you think Kaepernick cares? The fans, owners, and executives would be way more upset if the NFL were to go away than the players who are doing this would be. Pretty damn convenient when Jim Harbaugh blasted Kaepernick and then when his own players protested the anthem did a complete 180. Funny how that works, power. So is Jim Harbaugh unpatriotic because he supports his players protesting the anthem? How about Mark Dantonio?


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You spend way too much time watching CNN.


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Some Day...Is Coming! said:
Donald Trump could have taken a sh^t on the American Flag and the majority of white people would have still voted for him for President of the United States. He disrespected the hell out of our military and its soldiers when he ridiculed former POW John McCain, the family of a Gold Star soldier who died fighting for this country, and when he said he knows more about Isis than any of our military's generals. Talk about disrespecting the men who have fought for this country! And he's now the President of the United States! It's pretty damn convenient for a hell of a lot of people to express outrage over a black man choosing not to stand for the national anthem, yet have no problem voting for the aforementioned. I can't believe so many grown ass men get their panties in a bunch over these guys taking a knee for the national anthem. It's every damn bit their country as it is yours, and it's pretty damn convenient how people choose when and how to express their patriotism. Their are soldiers who have actually fought in war for this country who don't mind these guys doing what they are doing. The NFL losing ratings and fans over that, you think Kaepernick cares? The fans, owners, and executives would be way more upset if the NFL were to go away than the players who are doing this would be. Pretty damn convenient when Jim Harbaugh blasted Kaepernick and then when his own players protested the anthem did a complete 180. Funny how that works, power. So is Jim Harbaugh unpatriotic because he supports his players protesting the anthem? How about Mark Dantonio?


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Again, they have the right in this country to protest the way they see fit as long as they do it within the guidelines of our laws. Just have the guts to accept the consequences. I also have the right to not support the businesses that allow behavior that I don't appreciate.

Now as for Trump disrespecting our military and our soldiers, BS. Our government has done a great job of that all by themselves with, as an example, the lack of proper hearth care for our veterans. Trump has promised to take care of veterans properly. The fact that he has sometimes let his mouth go before his brain, is not a lack of patriotism.
 


tikited said:
He's mostly right though.
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If you believe CNN yes. If you live in reality tho he made some terrible connections and assumptions. To each their own...


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We sit on the Visitor's side. Have seen the opposing team come out after the National Anthem is played. Don't every remember somebody yelling or even saying, "You're unpatriotic!"
 

In before the lock!!

When I was in the U of M band back in 89, 90 the National Anthem was smack in the middle of the pregame show right after Battle Hymn and the teams were never out of the locker room for it.


It didn't seem to bother anybody then. Perhaps they should rework pre-game again and put the anthem back where it was. I always thought it made more sense to play Battle Hymn and the National Anthem back to back anyway.
 

HopHead said:
In before the lock!!

When I was in the U of M band back in 89, 90 the National Anthem was smack in the middle of the pregame show right after Battle Hymn and the teams were never out of the locker room for it.




It didn't seem to bother anybody then. Perhaps they should rework pre-game again and put the anthem back where it was. I always thought it made more sense to play Battle Hymn and the National Anthem back to back anyway.
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:clap::clap::clap:

Thanks for posting that. No Colin Kaepernick protest, no whining.
 

Classic example here of a minor thing that people will use to push whatever agenda (any) they have .... this thing is the least important thing of all time and everyone has to be a dick to each other about it.
 



Iceland12 said:
We sit on the Visitor's side. Have seen the opposing team come out after the National Anthem is played. Don't every remember somebody yelling or even saying, "You're unpatriotic!"
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In the early 2000's, the only national anthem I remember the team being on the field for was after 9/11. Otherwise, the team ran out right before the coin toss. Nothing to get worked up about.
 

minibeaver said:
If you weren't "forced" to show your patriotism for a few minutes a day on the weekends when would you choose to show your patriotism? Is the timing inconvenient for you?
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Likely never. I make time for my God and my family. The US is a country, not a religion. I don't need to take time out of my life to 'honor' it like its a deity that requires worship. Its a political state with politically agreed upon/militarily dictated borders like every other nation on this planet. I was born here and I'm glad for it but I'm not one of these country worshipping nationalistic people. I did nothing to 'earn' a place here and America has done nothing to 'earn' worship, at least more so than many other places around the world, especially as a black citizen as we've never been provided the same measure of rights and respect as white Americans.
 

minibeaver said:
If you weren't "forced" to show your patriotism for a few minutes a day on the weekends when would you choose to show your patriotism? Is the timing inconvenient for you?
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A moment of silence, reflection, helping a neighbor in need...Patriotism like religious expression takes on many forms.

Reminds me of being evangelical vs other means of worship, silent prayer vs public. NIV (Matthew 6:6):"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.".

Whose to say that some or even all aren't praying to God for healing? For a better ALL inclusive United States of America?
 


I'd be upset if they did away with the national anthem. It gives me one final boost of patriotic energy to climb the last few steps on the big staircase on my way up to 246.
 

Unregistered User said:
The EPL had about 50% more viewers last year than the NFL. And that does not count Bundesliga, La Liga, MLS, RPL or the huge number of other leagues out there.
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What is interesting about the EPL is there have been only 6 teams winning the championship since 1992, with Manchester United holding what, a dozen or more? By contrast the Big ten with fewer teams has had 8 champions over that span. College football has had some variety over that span. It just seems like lopsided leagues like EPL, without salary caps etc would get stale after awhile. That might explain some of their ratings issues.

Are their many other homegrown sports that are poular in the areas that support soccer? IE homegrown, established leagues in basketball, baseball etc or are they late additions in europe, india, asia?
 

I think the point most of you continue to miss is that the vast majority of Americans find it offensive, even if you don't. So why antagonize?

It is analogous to telling black people to not be upset. Telling them to behave properly, talk properly, take care of their children. You think some might take offense?

Start trying to understand what upsets other people, then don't do that. Compromise. Build bridges. Evolution takes time. Change, especially sudden, is hard.
 


oleboy41 said:
Likely never. I make time for my God and my family. The US is a country, not a religion. I don't need to take time out of my life to 'honor' it like its a deity that requires worship. Its a political state with politically agreed upon/militarily dictated borders like every other nation on this planet. I was born here and I'm glad for it but I'm not one of these country worshipping nationalistic people.
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Borders that have been protected over the years by Americans of all different colors, races, religions. You don't sound glad, you sound like you could take it or leave it. No one's talking about worshipping anything, it's the national anthem man, that's it. That said you have every right to express your patriotism, or lack of it, however you choose.
 


What time do the fans show up?Seems like there the stadium is only half full when the anthems played.Sucking down a few more I think is there way of being patriotic.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
I think the point most of you continue to miss is that the vast majority of Americans find it offensive, even if you don't. So why antagonize?

It is analogous to telling black people to not be upset. Telling them to behave properly, talk properly, take care of their children. You think some might take offense?

Start trying to understand what upsets other people, then don't do that. Compromise. Build bridges. Evolution takes time. Change, especially sudden, is hard.
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Rather than go point by point, I'll just say that coach Claeys solution is a wise one for many reasons.
 

HopHead said:
In before the lock!!

When I was in the U of M band back in 89, 90 the National Anthem was smack in the middle of the pregame show right after Battle Hymn and the teams were never out of the locker room for it.


It didn't seem to bother anybody then. Perhaps they should rework pre-game again and put the anthem back where it was. I always thought it made more sense to play Battle Hymn and the National Anthem back to back anyway.
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Thanks for posting, was going to say the same thing but this thread quickly devolved into a sh~t show.

The 2008 season was the first year the players were on the field for the anthem and the change was driven by the Big Ten Network who wanted to broadcast the anthem with shots of the players on the field and as a result the MB changed their pregame routine to accommodate this with a fair amount of chagrin. This is when the idea that it was a Big Ten "rule" spread. Apparently that's not the case.

The anthem and other patriotic traditions in the UMMB pregame are never going away. Would support changing pregame back to the way it was with the players not on the field for the anthem. Logistics are better that way.
 

minibeaver said:
Borders that have been protected over the years by Americans of all different colors, races, religions. You don't sound glad, you sound like you could take it or leave it. No one's talking about worshipping anything, it's the national anthem man, that's it. That said you have every right to express your patriotism, or lack of it, however you choose.
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And like I said, there's no real reason for it before sporting events. And while my mindset isn't 'take it or leave it', I don't think we're better than many other places world wide despite the conditioning to have us believe that. Am I a better person because I was born here and not France/Trinidad/Ghana/England? No. Doesn't every other country on this planet have borders? Don't they all have veterans who have fought their wars which they believe to be as just and important as ours? Of course they do. We act like we're unique in that sense and we just aren't. I've got grandparents that served and 2 sons in the Navy right now so I'm not removed from this stuff, I just recognize that these aren't uniquely American things and that governments do all sorts of things to manipulate their populace to feel a sense of patriotism and nationalism. People volunteer to go potentially kill others because they believe American lives are more important to others. They espouse phrases like 'defending our freedom' even when many conflicts we're in have 0 to do with our 'freedom' and everything to do with our economic prosperity. But its unAmerican to question these things for most which is why someone daring to not conduct themselves the way the unwritten rules of behavior during our market tested acts of patriotism get people to lose their minds. They've rarely actually thought about why we do these things or how they feel about them or how others feel about them. Then they talk about freedom while being angry about how others express theirs.
 


AeroGopher said:
Thanks for posting, was going to say the same thing but this thread quickly devolved into a sh~t show.

The 2008 season was the first year the players were on the field for the anthem and the change was driven by the Big Ten Network who wanted to broadcast the anthem with shots of the players on the field and as a result the MB changed their pregame routine to accommodate this with a fair amount of chagrin. This is when the idea that it was a Big Ten "rule" spread. Apparently that's not the case.

The anthem and other patriotic traditions in the UMMB pregame are never going away. Would support changing pregame back to the way it was with the players not on the field for the anthem. Logistics are better that way.
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If I recall, Brewster wanted the players on the field for the anthem.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Classic example here of a minor thing that people will use to push whatever agenda (any) they have .... this thing is the least important thing of all time and everyone has to be a dick to each other about it.
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QFT.

Everything must be spun these days. When the slightest thing happens, you must instantly form an irreversible position based upon whatever your overlords command and boil down to talking points or catchy-phrases like, "Lock her up" or "Love Trumps Hate." Everything is now a reason to demonize people who disagree with you...

And my goodness, don't even try talking about things that might actually matter like gun control, the national debt, crime, or social security reform. Before the first sentence is out of your mouth you'll be labeled a socialist, bigot, or capitalist pig.
 

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