Dave Mona said 90% chance Claeys named full time coach this week

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John Galt said:
Here's the list of Brewster recruits in the NFL:
1. Rashede Hageman
2. MarQueis Gray
3. Brock Vereen

Here's a list of Kill recruits in the NFL:
1. David Cobb
2. Cedric Thompson
3. Maxx Williams
4. Damien Wilson
5. Isaac Fruechte

Brewster's list is complete and will never grow. Most of Kill's players are all still in school and his list will grow exponentially. Kill will probably be at no less than 8 (Murray, BBC, Campbell) when the NFL starts next season. I bet he gets to at least 15 by the time this year's freshman graduate.

So please, once and for all, end the myth that Brewster recruited any kind of significant talent to the U.
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Another question that begs to be asked is how many of those Brewster recruits would be playing in the NFL if they had played for Tim their entire Gopher careers.
 

John Galt said:
Here's the list of Brewster recruits in the NFL:
1. Rashede Hageman
2. MarQueis Gray
3. Brock Vereen

Here's a list of Kill recruits in the NFL:
1. David Cobb
2. Cedric Thompson
3. Maxx Williams
4. Damien Wilson
5. Isaac Fruechte

Brewster's list is complete and will never grow. Most of Kill's players are all still in school and his list will grow exponentially. Kill will probably be at no less than 8 (Murray, BBC, Campbell) when the NFL starts next season. I bet he gets to at least 15 by the time this year's freshman graduate.

So please, once and for all, end the myth that Brewster recruited any kind of significant talent to the U.
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Depends what were arguing. kill and Co were clearly better developers of talent. All those guys mentioned under brew played two years or more for Kill and I think he had a hand in them getting drafted. Brew brought in some talented guys I believe Simoni Lawrence and Lee Campbell like Fruchete and Thompson spent time on practice squads. Triplett was drafted by the Vikes and got cut. I think there are guys whthat if they had to chance for Kill more than one year would've made it. McKnight, Tinsley had he lived, Keenan Cooper. Brew brought some good athletes in, he just couldn't coach them up and thta's why he lost as much as he did and got fired. Kill's class of 2012 wasn't that touted, but so many contributors to the program came out of it, some are currently in the NFL and some will be.
 

No message. I rethought my stupid pedantic nonsense.
 



This is the best option we have. Honestly, I have always thought that even though Kill was a good coach, he lacked "killer" instinct. Claeys seems to have it (from his going for the win instead of the tie). So we get a Kill disciple with a more aggressive coaching style. You have to admit that we have been headed in the right direction. Can we get beyond this level? I hope so with Claeys. Also, we have a good recruiting class coming in, and you can tell our young athletes are very promising. Give Claeys at least two years, not including this year.

We don't wanna start over... Unless we can get a top notch proven coach. Which we won't because of the open coaching jobs this year.
 

justthefacts said:
a) 9 of the 17 kids are from Minnesota. Those guys aren't going anywhere.
b) Kids flip all the time regardless of coaching situation. Sure, Snelson might flip, but people have been worried about that since the day he committed.
c) We are just guessing that there are some number of players who would flip due to a prolonged coaching search, but would stay because of Claeys.
d) Between those 3 factors you're looking at maybe 1 or 2 guys who would choose to go elsewhere merely because of the uncertainty.
e) There's only about a 50% chance that any particular player ends up making a real impact.

Finding the best possible coach is 100x more important than holding on to 1 or 2 recruits. Think of it this way. In retrospect would you rather have had Brewster + 2 extra recruits or Kill without those recruits? Every single person who has ever posted on this board would choose the latter.

I'm not saying that Claeys is the same as Brewster, just making a point that you don't make coaching decisions based on retaining recruits.
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Op asked what the hurry was, just posited one reason. Another may be that hiring a new coach with an interim AD would be a slam dunk. Right? Or maybe that would deter the right coach from taking the job?

While I did not intend my post as "the answer" I suggest you think a little harder on your assumptions on the impact one year of recruiting will have.





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LesBolstad said:
Gutey 2.0 on the way.
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Based on what? The fact they are/were DC? I know Gutie was the popular choice of the team, which you could make the assertion that Claeys is as well, but they are two different people. You're also totally ignoring the circumstances Gutie faced with the fallout of the Luther Danville scandal. I think the circumstances are entirely different this time and the big differences are Claeys is not all Casper-milktoast like Gutie and he has a stadium, facilities and a budget that's not last in the league. If there is a slam dunk candidate guaranteed to take the job then by all means let's get that guy, but it looks like we'll be choosing between MAC coaches and retreads. I think Claeys is as good as any of the MAC coaches we'd have a shot at.
 

bigticket1 said:
Another question that begs to be asked is how many of those Brewster recruits would be playing in the NFL if they had played for Tim their entire Gopher careers.
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I know how E. Decker would answer the question.
 



Ole said:
This program is SO close. SO very close to a point where the floor is raised to 7-9 wins and the ceiling is a B1G title. Even if Claeys isn't the guy that brings rose bowl glory to the U, he is critical to maintaining the slow burn to where the program simply doesn't take a step back for minor bad events.

Hire him on a good contract, promote Sawvel to DC, maintain most of these recruits, get geared up for 2 really winnable schedules with alot of talent coming back, and get the facilities done coming off of 5 or more years of good football and we'll be in a really good place.

Waiver, wait, or try to double down and hit on a new coach and the whole thing could come crashing down to the point where you're looking at another fringe bowl game era for awhile.
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When did the floor become 7-9 wins?

The team has never achieved 9 wins. Unless they finish 3-1 they will have fewer than 7 wins.



Do you know what a floor is?


Claiming we are close to that is ridiculous. It could just as easily be claimed the ceiling is 7-9 wins.
 

bigticket1 said:
Another question that begs to be asked is how many of those Brewster recruits would be playing in the NFL if they had played for Tim their entire Gopher careers.
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Or how many would have got there if Brewster's first year staff had stayed? Rather than circling through Coordinators he would have been able to stick with his original plans. Might not have worked, but those Assistants had the experience Brewster didn't. Something that should also be considered when looking at Claeys. Lot of talk and faith in the fact that this coaching staff has stayed together for years. How many of the "hot shot" Coordinators out there will be able to bring a solid and committed staff with them? Staff that wouldn't bail at the first sign of trouble or a better offer?
 

Stan said:
@GopherHole: Dave Mona said he thinks 90% chance that Tracy Claeys will be named full time #Gophers coach within 5 days.
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Is he reporting this as a media member or U of M insider. In either case it is terrible reporting.
 

John Galt said:
Here's the list of Brewster recruits in the NFL: 1. Rashede Hageman 2. MarQueis Gray 3. Brock Vereen Here's a list of Kill recruits in the NFL: 1. David Cobb 2. Cedric Thompson 3. Maxx Williams 4. Damien Wilson 5. Isaac Fruechte Brewster's list is complete and will never grow. Most of Kill's players are all still in school and his list will grow exponentially. Kill will probably be at no less than 8 (Murray, BBC, Campbell) when the NFL starts next season. I bet he gets to at least 15 by the time this year's freshman graduate. So please, once and for all, end the myth that Brewster recruited any kind of significant talent to the U.
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Someone already mentioned Brock, Michael Carter appeared in a couple preseason game, Troy Stoudermire was signed by the Bengals, Simoni Lawrence played for the Bears and the Bucs, Traye Simmons with the Chargers. Duane Bennett and Eric Lair had rookie contracts with the Packers

Kill would also include Derrick Wells with the Bucs.

Brewster was an awful coach for the most part. But if all of those guys had NFL chances it's probably not due entirely to Kill coaching up talentless hacks.

I certainly may have missed more from Kill and Brewster so feel free to fill in others too.
 



bemidjigopher said:
Depends what were arguing. kill and Co were clearly better developers of talent. All those guys mentioned under brew played two years or more for Kill and I think he had a hand in them getting drafted. Brew brought in some talented guys I believe Simoni Lawrence and Lee Campbell like Fruchete and Thompson spent time on practice squads. Triplett was drafted by the Vikes and got cut. I think there are guys whthat if they had to chance for Kill more than one year would've made it. McKnight, Tinsley had he lived, Keenan Cooper. Brew brought some good athletes in, he just couldn't coach them up and thta's why he lost as much as he did and got fired. Kill's class of 2012 wasn't that touted, but so many contributors to the program came out of it, some are currently in the NFL and some will be.
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agree with this. Except I believe both Triplett and Campbell were Mason recruits.

I did list a couple other Brewster guys who had a cup of coffee in the NFL though. Thompson was actually cut by Miami as well.

Couple of the Brewster guys are still playing in the CFL as well.
 

Are we really at the Brew vs Kill - who was a better recruiter debate again? WTF? Brew may have had recruiting rankings, but in what other way was he better? Actual performance? No. NFL players? No. Fit for the team? Man, you must really hate Kill or not have paid attention at all to defend Brew as a better recruiter.
 

I will take it a step further. I have been a fan since the 80's.

Salem, Holtz, Gutey, Wacker, Mason, Brewster and Kill

What do they all have in common- none of them have won or even have come in top tier few of the Big Ten. Until a coach can do that I am grouping all of them in the same category- some maybe slightly better or worse than others but to have any debate on having any bragging rights on coaching superiority will have to wait until at minimum a big ten championship game or Rose Bowl.
 

Maroon92 said:
I will take it a step further. I have been a fan since the 80's.

Salem, Holtz, Gutey, Wacker, Mason, Brewster and Kill

What do they all have in common- none of them have won or even have come in top tier few of the Big Ten. Until a coach can do that I am grouping all of them in the same category- some maybe slightly better or worse than others but to have any debate on having any bragging rights on coaching superiority will have to wait until at minimum a big ten championship game or Rose Bowl.
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What about being the lousiest of the best and the best of the lousy?
 

Spoofin said:
What about being the lousiest of the best and the best of the lousy?
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Hmmm, an interesting and I'm sure earnestly asked question. I think to answer this hard hitting question one needs to place them in two groups as follows:

Lousiest of the Best Candidates:
Holtz
Mason
Kill

Best of the Lousiest Candidates:
Salem
Wacker
Brewster

Gutey is a bit of a wildcard. Depending on which group you put him in, he probably wins. I'm guessing most people would put him in the second group. However in order to keep things more interesting/controversial, I've kept him out.
 

Despite all the hate he generated by jumping ship, Holtz was by far the best coach since Warmath and would have taken us to the Rose Bowl in a very few years. Mason and Kill next, then Stoll at a lower level - the others far behind, though Gutey was the best of the losers.
 

Let's not forget that Gutey had two winning conference seasons. Mason also had two. Nobody else since Warmath had more than 1.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Despite all the hate he generated by jumping ship, Holtz was by far the best coach since Warmath and would have taken us to the Rose Bowl in a very few years.
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if he could have given up his "humanitarian" donations to football players. that said, minor compared to Luther Darville's contributions to our sordid past
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Despite all the hate he generated by jumping ship, Holtz was by far the best coach since Warmath and would have taken us to the Rose Bowl in a very few years. Mason and Kill next, then Stoll at a lower level - the others far behind, though Gutey was the best of the losers.
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Before or after the NCAA started investigating us?
 

The long slow slide to a new coach with an empty cupboard in 2019 starts by making no effort to bring in a new coach now. Would Claeys even be considered by the likes of Illinois or Maryland? This is how guys in Arkansas end up marrying their sister; "Well, she's a girl and she's already living in the house...so why not?"
 

Mick Turition said:
The long slow slide to a new coach with an empty cupboard in 2019 starts by making no effort to bring in a new coach now. <b>Would Claeys even be considered by the likes of Illinois or Maryland? </b>This is how guys in Arkansas end up marrying their sister; "Well, she's a girl and she's already living in the house...so why not?"
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yes, he would. If he could bring the staff with him, he would get those jobs.
 

Mick Turition said:
This is how guys in Arkansas end up marrying their sister; "Well, she's a girl and she's already living in the trailer...so why not?"
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fify

one of my favorite memories from when I lived in arkansas: "I met my wife at a family reunion".
 

Bo Darville said:
Let's not forget that Gutey had two winning conference seasons. Mason also had two. Nobody else since Warmath had more than 1.
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In both of those years, 4 of their 5 Big Ten wins came against: Northwester, Purdue, Indiana, and Wisconsin. All of which were horrible.
 

Face The Facts said:
In both of those years, 4 of their 5 Big Ten wins came against: Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, and Wisconsin. All of which were horrible.
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Why yes they did. Oh and as long as we're facing facts in 1986 he also beat #2 Michigan in the Big House and in 1990 he beat #13 Iowa.
 

Face The Facts said:
In both of those years, 4 of their 5 Big Ten wins came against: Northwester, Purdue, Indiana, and Wisconsin. All of which were horrible.
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How dare he pad his record beating bad teams that we has forced to play! Sorry I hate this argument. Reminds me of Doogie's always citing Tubby's record 'not counting Iowa'.
 

If Kaler nixes Claeys, he needs to hire the AD before a HC. I doubt that most experienced and established HC's would consider taking the job not knowing who his boss will be. Claeys is different and wants the job and is willing to take a chance with the new AD.
 

Spoofin said:
yes, he would. If he could bring the staff with him, he would get those jobs.
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No he wouldn't even be considered by "the likes of Illinois or Maryland". They both will be able to land someone with a better resume and bigger profile than Tracy Claeys.
 

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