Chip Scoggins: U needs to bring Teague — and maybe others — to account

[BleedGopher]

per Chip:

If an investigation discovers that anyone in a position of authority knew about Teague’s behavior, those individuals should be punished. The university must inspect closely and discipline harshly to demonstrate its commitment to doing what’s right.

The first step is to figure out the extent of Teague’s behavior so that everyone has a complete picture. He didn’t just have one bad night, and it can’t be blamed on being extremely intoxicated.

The university has a responsibility to find the scope of damage he inflicted before it can truly move forward.

http://www.startribune.com/u-needs-to-bring-teague-and-maybe-others-to-account/321339181/

Go Gophers!!

 

[JPIIGopher]

I love when the media turns into Judge Jury and Executioner. We are almost in almost in full pitchfork mode. I'm by no means belittling the situation here but these kinds of articles are so worthless from guys like Chip.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

I love when the media turns into Judge Jury and Executioner. We are almost in almost in full pitchfork mode. I'm by no means belittling the situation here but these kinds of articles are so worthless from guys like Chip.

Stirring the pot is what the TC media does best.

 

[Mr. Gopher]

I love when the media turns into Judge Jury and Executioner. We are almost in almost in full pitchfork mode. I'm by no means belittling the situation here but these kinds of articles are so worthless from guys like Chip.

Why don't you think people should be in full pitchfork mode? It's a pretty heinous situation.

 

[Mr. Gopher]

Stirring the pot is what the TC media does best.

What's wrong with stirring the pot for a situation like this? If there's ever a subject where the pot deserves to be stirred, it's when there's the potential that there are multi-year sufferers of sexual abuse and harassment.

Don't be Penn State fans.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

What's wrong with stirring the pot for a situation like this? If there's ever a subject where the pot deserves to be stirred, it's when there's the potential that there are multi-year sufferers of sexual abuse and harassment.

Don't be Penn State fans.

Teague is a bad dude. He should be gone. That's all we know. When evidence comes out that Teague's boss covered up sexual harassment, then we can call for his head.

All these articles do is fuel the mob that thinks the U covered up a scandal. When an investigation is conducted, we can draw conclusions. These articles do nothing.

You're a perfect example. You're already comparing Kaler to Paterno. Take a breath.

 

[Mr. Gopher]

When evidence comes out that Teague's boss covered up sexual harassment, then we can call for his head..

How do you think evidence "comes out"? An investigation.

What is the article calling for? An investigation.

I'm not comparing Kaler to Paterno yet. I'm comparing you to the Penn State fans who accused the media of "stirring the pot" unduly and tarnishing the name and brand of Penn State even when real people's lives are clearly being affected. To me, that is an incredible thing.

 

[JPIIGopher]

Deep breaths

Why don't you think people should be in full pitchfork mode? It's a pretty heinous situation.

Full pitchfork mode should start when we see or hear of any evidence of a cover up.

So far the U seems to have done everything right.

I think Chip should have run a story about his own papers handling of the Rayno matter.

 

[UpnorthGo4]

Full pitchfork mode should start when we see or hear of any evidence of a cover up.

So far the U seems to have done everything right.

I think Chip should have run a story about his own papers handling of the Rayno matter.

It is a journalist's responsibility to question the actions of government institutions and call for an official investigation to determine the facts. Chip is just doing his job. It is starting to look like responsible officials at the U might have ignored Teague's reprehensible behavior and allowed it to continue unabated. If they did this mess will continue to be national news and more heads will roll. The truth must come out.

 

[bballnut]

I love when the media turns into Judge Jury and Executioner. We are almost in almost in full pitchfork mode. I'm by no means belittling the situation here but these kinds of articles are so worthless from guys like Chip.

Agree completely, Especially for Chip and Soupcan types. I love how Chip finds the U as continually in a " scandal" mode, but his Tennessee Volunteers are angels (which is a joke.) Also many on these type of boards cannot wait to pounce on the U. This is a Tribune issue, NOT the U!



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[mnsportsgeek]

How do you think evidence "comes out"? An investigation.

What is the article calling for? An investigation.

I'm not comparing Kaler to Paterno yet. I'm comparing you to the Penn State fans who accused the media of "stirring the pot" unduly and tarnishing the name and brand of Penn State even when real people's lives are clearly being affected. To me, that is an incredible thing.

"The U needs to conduct an investigation!!" Thanks Chip. Really insightful. That's exactly what they said they'd do after the Rayno story came out. An investigation will happen regardless of what Chip Scoggins says.

I had no problem with Penn State fans wanting to hear what really happened before taking out their pitch forks. The fans I had a problem with were the ones who defended Paterno after the investigation was complete.

If you want to be part of the mob then go ahead. I'll wait a bit. Unlike many, I refuse to believe that all of our leaders in today's world are totally gutless. I believe some of them do the right thing, so I won't immediately jump to conclusions until conclusions are reached on things like this.

 

[RodentRampage]

Sounds like a fishing expedition.

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[tjgopher]

It is a journalist's responsibility to question the actions of government institutions and call for an official investigation to determine the facts.

And, amazingly, the great journalistic institution known as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune knew about it and chose to neither:

a) investigate themselves; or
b) call for a University investigation

until after Teague was gone.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

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[UpnorthGo4]

And, amazingly, the great journalistic institution known as the Minneapolis Star-Tribune knew about it and chose to neither:

a) investigate themselves; or
b) call for a University investigation

until after Teague was gone.

The Strib knew of one incident. Two or more incidents indicates a pattern of conduct that needs to be investigated.

 

[tjgopher]

The Strib knew of one incident. Two or more incidents indicates a pattern of conduct that needs to be investigated.

That one incident as described could have been enough.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Why don't you think people should be in full pitchfork mode? It's a pretty heinous situation.

So heinous Ms. Rayno went straight to the police...oh. So she at least informed the U...well, nope.

One would think Rayno was somewhat connected, had heard things. Part of her job is schmoozing people like Teague. If a professional journalist heard no whispers, or the editors. So we know nothing at this time. Don't pretend otherwise.

Lets not be a lynch mob. Lets not overreach. There is ZERO evidence the U enabled Teagues unwanted advances. Maybe there will be, but I'm not sure why some of you are convinced of it at this time.

Seems like an agenda.

 

[UpnorthGo4]

There is ZERO evidence the U enabled Teagues unwanted advances. Maybe there will be, but I'm not sure why some of you are convinced of it at this time. Seems like an agenda.

Nobody on the outside knows what is going on at the U. We want to know. God knows this would not be the first time administrators at the U have ignored rules and regulations. That is why an impartial investigation is needed.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

Considering the amount of angst by factions within the AD, if there were whispers going on we know whistleblowers will be more than happy to chime in. They will need some hard evidence however, as in emails, texts, etc. Allegations don't cut it.

 

[Unregistered User]

Don't make this article more that it is. This is Scoggins grandstanding and stating that he is more outraged than the average person. The next person that writes a story about it will need to prove to themselves that THEY are more outraged than Chipper, lest they look complicit in "THE BIG COVERUP"!

He should be more concerned about the well being of a fellow employee.

 

[Lakeville Goldy]

I think the worst part of the article is his choice for search commitee for the new AD. Because they are OBVIOUSLY in tune with the other AD's and assistant AD's out there and know which ones are next up to be hired.

I'm not saying that they couldn't have insight, but it's not like this is a job where people send in resume's and you choose the best one. You have to find the person and lure them here. None of the people (not even the beloved "Sweet" Lou who knows everything about everything according to some folks) are in a position to do that.

Overall I agree the U has to determine if people in the department knew of issues like this. I am guessing none of them will "know" anything, but they will have seen things that make them wonder (isolating females at gatherings, texting females at gatherings they are both at, "walking out" females, etc.). I honestly don't think Teague e-mailed one of his coworkers the next day to say what happened with Ms. Rayno, for example (and if so it was probably "she came on to me then didn't want to seal the deal..." or some such garbage). And without that type of evidence (which chances are doesn't exist), what are they going to do?

And even if a coworker knew, they would almost certainly be Teague's subordinate. Say what you want, but we all know "confidential" reporting isn't really "confidential" and that a policy of "no retaliation" doesn't really mean "no retaliation". Without hard proof, these people may have been (or thought they would be) committing career suicide, which if you are the primary bread winner, is a really tough place to be.

In the end, they will do an investigation, likely find no hard evidence, put in a policy to provide more sensitivity training and try to encourage the perception (and reality) of "confidential" and "no retaliation", and that will be that.

Not trying to be dismissive, just realistic. The bad apple is out of the bobbing tub. There might be a few with some bruising or other imperfections, but chances are the water isn't infected, it was just one bad apple.

 

[Mr. Gopher]

So heinous Ms. Rayno went straight to the police...oh. So she at least informed the U...well, nope.

One would think Rayno was somewhat connected, had heard things. Part of her job is schmoozing people like Teague..

She clearly explained why it was not possible to go to the police. She was afraid of the man and knew that if she came forward, she would be viewed as an isolated problem that would more likely lead to her being removed from the situation rather than Teague.

Do you have any idea what it's like to be the victim of harassment or sexual assault? You think it's so obvious and easy just to come forward and tell the police like it's nothing. It's not. You have no idea what it is like to be in the type of situation that this woman was in.

 

[citywok]

Gee, Chip (and to a lesser extent, the Strib as a whole) is really taking Teague to task with this. Which is a good thing. He deserves whatever fallout comes his way.

It is too bad that Chip (and to a lesser extent, the Strib as a whole) couldn't have done the same thing with Adrian Peterson, who did something far worse than Norwood Teague did. He deserved more than whatever fallout came his way.

But hey, the Star Tribune would rather continue to benefit from being a subordinate of the big purple hornet's nest, even if it means tossing out a few bankrupt, jocksniffing "redemption" and "forgiveness" articles to smooth things over.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

She clearly explained why it was not possible to go to the police. She was afraid of the man and knew that if she came forward, she would be viewed as an isolated problem that would more likely lead to her being removed from the situation rather than Teague.

Do you have any idea what it's like to be the victim of harassment or sexual assault? You think it's so obvious and easy just to come forward and tell the police like it's nothing. It's not. You have no idea what it is like to be in the type of situation that this woman was in.

Or, what happened to her did not cross the line into a criminal offense.

And yes, I have been harassed/assaulted or bullied if you will on 3 different occasions. Physical assaults on two occasions, bullying and assault on the third. All 3 occasions the aggressor was a larger male, physically stronger and they knew it. Two of the episodes were, to my knowledge, unprovoked, just boys/men looking for trouble, feeding their egos. The worst episode involved bullying etc, verbally at first over several days, that eventually escalated to physical assault in the locker room. Then he moved on to the next victim. The last episode, in college, involved alcohol and a steroid-bulked lunkhead that discovered his girlfriend dancing with me at a club. I didn't see the swing coming that knocked me to the ground. Shades of Phil Nelson episode. I was not knocked out and was able to break my fall.

I suspect my experiences are not rare. I suspect most women have been stalked, harassed, made to feel uncomfortable, and double digit percentages have even been sexually assaulted or raped.

I'm not minimizing what happened to her. It was unprofessional, inappropriate, and borderline criminal. I'm asking you to throttle it back a notch. "Heinous" describes a lot of things that humans do to each other, or what disease can do to our bodies. Your lack of perspective about these things and the colorful wording makes me think you have been relatively cocooned from real stressors thus far, or you are quite young.

 

[disco]

In any case like this, it's almost always hearsay, and that can be impossible to prove. But that doesn't mean it's not real and serious. Guys like Teague in most cases know how to pull this crap and not get caught, and in his case, he probably would have been able to carry on his shenanigans, had he not been stupid enough to start texting people, leaving a trail. I have a hard time believing that people in the AD's office didn't know, or at least have a pretty good idea, that Teague was a sleaze ball, but until this came out, proving it would have been difficult. And realistically, most people have a sense of self-preservation. Like it or not, they're not going to risk their job to rock the boat. I've worked for some terrible, abusive, unethical people who were very good at not leaving a trail, and I know that had I called them out on it, it would have been me shown the door, not them. That's not the way it should work, but it's the way it does work.

 

[Mr. Gopher]

Or, what happened to her did not cross the line into a criminal offense.

And yes, I have been harassed/assaulted or bullied if you will on 3 different occasions. Physical assaults on two occasions, bullying and assault on the third. All 3 occasions the aggressor was a larger male, physically stronger and they knew it. Two of the episodes were, to my knowledge, unprovoked, just boys/men looking for trouble, feeding their egos. The worst episode involved bullying etc, verbally at first over several days, that eventually escalated to physical assault in the locker room. Then he moved on to the next victim. The last episode, in college, involved alcohol and a steroid-bulked lunkhead that discovered his girlfriend dancing with me at a club. I didn't see the swing coming that knocked me to the ground. Shades of Phil Nelson episode. I was not knocked out and was able to break my fall.

I suspect my experiences are not rare. I suspect most women have been stalked, harassed, made to feel uncomfortable, and double digit percentages have even been sexually assaulted or raped.

I'm not minimizing what happened to her. It was unprofessional, inappropriate, and borderline criminal. I'm asking you to throttle it back a notch. "Heinous" describes a lot of things that humans do to each other, or what disease can do to our bodies. Your lack of perspective about these things and the colorful wording makes me think you have been relatively cocooned from real stressors thus far, or you are quite young.

No, I will not throttle it back a notch...sorry to disappoint you on that one. I'm sorry that you don't think that what she went through was heinous. I really am.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

No, I will not throttle it back a notch...sorry to disappoint you on that one. I'm sorry that you don't think that what she went through was heinous. I really am.

My outrage meter must be calibrated a little differently.

I expect we'll see Teague in jail soon, then?

 

[Gopho Sapiens]

Or, what happened to her did not cross the line into a criminal offense.

And yes, I have been harassed/assaulted or bullied if you will on 3 different occasions. Physical assaults on two occasions, bullying and assault on the third. All 3 occasions the aggressor was a larger male, physically stronger and they knew it. Two of the episodes were, to my knowledge, unprovoked, just boys/men looking for trouble, feeding their egos. The worst episode involved bullying etc, verbally at first over several days, that eventually escalated to physical assault in the locker room. Then he moved on to the next victim. The last episode, in college, involved alcohol and a steroid-bulked lunkhead that discovered his girlfriend dancing with me at a club. I didn't see the swing coming that knocked me to the ground. Shades of Phil Nelson episode. I was not knocked out and was able to break my fall.

I suspect my experiences are not rare. I suspect most women have been stalked, harassed, made to feel uncomfortable, and double digit percentages have even been sexually assaulted or raped.

I'm not minimizing what happened to her. It was unprofessional, inappropriate, and borderline criminal. I'm asking you to throttle it back a notch. "Heinous" describes a lot of things that humans do to each other, or what disease can do to our bodies. Your lack of perspective about these things and the colorful wording makes me think you have been relatively cocooned from real stressors thus far, or you are quite young.

+1

The word heinous is generally reserved for the very worst of actions that are simply unimaginable by the common public.
If you find Teagues actions heinous...you do lead a sheltered life.

I think "disgusting" may be a little more appropriate for the situation.

Somehow this is now being bandied about like it was the revival of the Rape of Nankin.
Now THAT earned the achievement of "heinous".

I an NOT in any way condoning Teagues actions, but let's try and remember her a couple of things...

One, the media has sensationalized the situation tossing around words like "groped" and "attacked" knowing they would entice readers into the story.
Give me a break.

Poking someone in the side and rubbing their back does not constitute groping any more than dropping the F-bomb on somebody constitutes assault.

Teague was out of line..... period.

But he was no more out of line than a thousand other poonhounds on any given night of the week.
His biggest crime was the fact that he did it while in the capacity of being the AD for the U.

Wrong? absolutely.
Poor judgement? Completely.
Criminal? Sexual harassment occurs in the workplace. Using ones power to force someone into a compromising situation.
In public it's just boorish behavior.
Remove Teague from the AD office and he was just another Lothario loose on the street.

Again, I am not condoning his actions in any way.....but let's keep some modicum of reality attached to the situation.

PE was right, you need to get out more if you are going to act as though this is the most indignant thing you have ever witnessed.


edit : move quote to the upper are

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I think (and hope) that the U will be looking at the bigger picture here.
To sum up - here is what we know, or think we know.
Teague has been the subject of two gender discrimination complaints that each resulted in a cash settlement to the complainer.
Teague has been involved in three confirmed incidents of unwanted sexual advances toward women that he worked with, or had a professional relationship with.
The U of M, while Teague was AD, became the subject of an investigation for Title IX Compliance.

Add it up, and it paints the picture of a man who has issues dealing with women, both in a personal and a professional sense. And, an administrator who seems to consider women (and women's sports) as not deserving of equal treatment.

I would think a public university like the U of M would want to make sure that this person was not involved in any other personal or professional misconduct while under the U's employ.

 

[CentralGopher]

Remind chip kindly it isn't a witch hunt