Zook's Future at Illinois

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Chicago Sun Times says its possible Zook won't be back:

Illinois athletic director Ron Guenther and interim president Stanley Ikenberry met Thursday to discuss the future of the Illinois football program amid speculation that Ron Zook might not return as coach, sources said.

It's not clear whether Guenther will backtrack on his Oct. 24 vow that Zook will return. But multiple sources said Guenther and Ikenberry are facing increasing pressure from angry program boosters and alumni, who are voicing concerns to the school's administration.

At the meeting with Ikenberry, a source said, Guenther asked for an extension of his own contract, which expires in 12 months, to see the football program through this turbulent time.

Since going to the Rose Bowl two years ago, Zook has led Illinois to a 5-7 record last year and a 3-9 mark this year. He is 21-39 in five seasons at Illinois. He was given a one-year extension last off-season after going 5-7 and has four years remaining on his contract.

In October, Guenther said, ''There will be some changes, but there won't be a change at the top.''

At that time, Guenther said, ''It's unfair to start jumping [on Zook] at the end of [his] fifth year.'' If Guenther, who has declined to take questions, was saying Zook needed more time, that was a point of view many Illinois supporters do not share.

Even if Zook stays, several changes on the coaching staff are a given. A new defensive coordinator to replace co-defensive coordinators Curt Mallory and Dan Disch is expected, but it is not clear if they will remain as position coaches.

On offense, coordinator Mike Schultz was under fire during Illinois' 1-6 start, but the offense was much improved in the second half of the season. Illinois also changed both of its line coaches this season, but Joe Gilbert (offense) and Keith Gilmore (defense) have received high marks in some circles.

Mike Woodford, coach of Illinois' under-performing special teams, is not likely to return. Why Zook, special teams coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1996-98, has not been able to translate that background at Illinois, is hard to explain.

Illinois' struggles seem to be impacting recruiting. Four-star recruit, C.J. Fiedorowicz, a tight end from Johnsburg, has withdrawn his commitment and switched to Iowa. And another four-star recruit, Proviso East safety Corey Cooper, is believed to be wavering.

In addition, three significant sophomores -- receivers A.J. Jenkins and Cordale Scott and tight end Hubie Graham -- have said they will transfer. And sophomore defensive tackle Corey Liuget, who has a huge upside, reportedly also is considering leaving.
 



not to mention zook has all his blue chippers playing and they have gotten worse.
 

This should be a wake up call to those people who think that all you need to do is recruit and you will automatically have a great program. Eventually, you have to be able to coach, too. The other Big Ten coaches all know how to recruit, too and they are all bringing in good players. As soon as the recruits and players lose faith in your program, this is what you will get. You will get your commitments plucked away and then you start losing your players that you brought in.

At this point, Ron Zook will probably lose his job. They can give him another year and inevitably will fire him at the end of NEXT season, but it won't make any difference. He really isn't a good coach and that's why Florida got rid of him, but he was brought in due to his high recruiting skills. You can recruit for about 2-3 years by selling the dream of Rose Bowls and the program on the rise, but after that people need to see results. Although Illinois beat us this year, I think I would still rather have Brewster than Zook. Brewster still has a CHANCE to be a good coach, but I think Zook is probably a done deal at this point.

On a side note, if Zook keeps his job, there could be a few Big Ten coaches getting the ax after next season. I think Michigan is on the "one more year" status with RichRod, you never know with Paterno and Brewster isn't safe either even if he gets his contract extension like I think he will after the Bowl game.
 


If Zook leaves Illinois in the same shape he left Florida Illinois should erect a statue of him. That will mean Illinois will be poised to compete for National Championships. Urban Meyer won Championships thanks to Ron Zook.

Why would they fire Zook? The man responsible for two Florida national championships?!?
 

7-6, 7-6 isn't 5-7, 3-9 if Brewster has a record of 5-7 and 3-9 in 2010 and 2011 then yeah

No, but Zook had a Rose Bowl appearance on his resume to soften the critics. Yet, they are still out for blood.
 

No, but Zook had a Rose Bowl appearance on his resume to soften the critics. Yet, they are still out for blood.

Yeah I suppose. I think 5-7 and 3-9 in back to back years would seal the fate of most coaches though, it's a what have you done for me lately kind of world.
 

Yeah I suppose. I think 5-7 and 3-9 in back to back years would seal the fate of most coaches though, it's a what have you done for me lately kind of world.

Joe Paterno was 3-9 and 4-7 in back to back years in 2003 and 2004. He survived:)
 



Joe Paterno was 3-9 and 4-7 in back to back years in 2003 and 2004. He survived:)

Barely. I remember reading the Penn St. boards during that time and if you think the fans are hard on Brewster in Minnesota, you should have seen their fans. For every negative fan on the Gopher site, there were probably at least 5 times the amount over there. I remember one of their posts that had about 200 responses was "which team were you most embarrassed to losing to this year" and I think the Gophers were mentioned as being the most inexcusable by a lot of them. Of course many more were saying Paterno was too old, schemes too archaic, assistants needed to get fired......it was a LOT LOT worse than this board ever was!!
 

At that time, Guenther said, ''It's unfair to start jumping [on Zook] at the end of [his] fifth year.'' If Guenther, who has declined to take questions, was saying Zook needed more time, that was a point of view many Illinois supporters do not share.

I thought this was interesting. It's clear that many Gopher fans would disagree with Guenther--I mean, they're ready to send our coach packing after a mere THREE seasons (and two recruiting classes).
 

That program is a train wreck. Someone is going to have to clean up a huge mess after Zook is gone.

I don't see how they can keep him. If you think it is negative here, the vibe around the Illinois program is much worse.

Illinois has had a lot of difficulty sustaining any type of long term success no matter who the coach is.
 

That program is a train wreck. Someone is going to have to clean up a huge mess after Zook is gone.

I don't see how they can keep him. If you think it is negative here, the vibe around the Illinois program is much worse.

Illinois has had a lot of difficulty sustaining any type of long term success no matter who the coach is.

Agreed. I thought their best coach was Brewster's old coach, Mike White. Illinois is someone you always have to watch out for because they have Chicago in their backyard and if they can get some program continuity, they could be a real force. One thing I find interesting is that if you go back the last 30 years, when Illinois is down, Iowa is usually up and when Iowa is down, Illinois tends to be better. I think they probably tend to recruit a lot of the same kids.
 



Agreed. I thought their best coach was Brewster's old coach, Mike White. Illinois is someone you always have to watch out for because they have Chicago in their backyard and if they can get some program continuity, they could be a real force. One thing I find interesting is that if you go back the last 30 years, when Illinois is down, Iowa is usually up and when Iowa is down, Illinois tends to be better. I think they probably tend to recruit a lot of the same kids.

Yeah, why is that? We were out in Los Angeles for the Rose Bowl in 1984. Everybody thought that White was going to start a dynasty at Illinois. He had done a good job up in Berkeley, at the time a VERY tough place to win. Then they got hammered in Pasadena and things started to go south.

I just looked at their record. Mackovic got them a title in 1990, Ron Turner (remember him) got them one in 2001 and then Zook got them to the Rose Bowl after the end of the 2007 season.

It certainly looks like they can "get there" they just can't sustain it.

We just need to "get there". :)
 

7-6, 7-6 isn't 5-7, 3-9 if Brewster has a record of 5-7 and 3-9 in 2010 and 2011 then yeah

If Brewster had taken us to a Rose Bowl in year 3, I think we'd all be more then willing to give him all the slack he needed to endure 5-7 and 3-9 following it.
 

I thought their best coach was Brewster's old coach, Mike White.

Of course, White cheated, got them put on probation, was forced to resign, and set them back a few years.

Illinois is someone you always have to watch out for because they have Chicago in their backyard.

This is a bit of a fallacy. Illinois is more than two hours from Chicago. Notre Dame gets the front page college football headlines in Chicago. Northwestern is next. Purdue is actually closer to Chicago than Champaign. Wisconsin is almost as close. Iowa, Michigan State, and Indiana are all within 3-and-a-half to 4 hours. In addition, Champaign is much more similar to Terre Haute, IN or Owensboro, KY than it is Chicago. Madison and Iowa City are much more cosmo than Champaign. About the only thing Champaign and Chicago have in common is that they are within the same state border.
 

If Zook stays one more year, and Brewster is successful next year, would that leave a job opening available and attainable for Brewster at his alma mater?
 



Since going to the Rose Bowl two years ago, Zook has led Illinois to a 5-7 record last year and a 3-9 mark this year. He is 21-39 in five seasons at Illinois. He was given a one-year extension last off-season after going 5-7 and has four years remaining on his contract.

I hope Maturi understands that this is how things are done in major college football. Even with a bad 2008 Zook got that 1 year extension to put 5 (!) years on his contract and we're sitting here arguing about 2 years to put 4 on Brewster (who coincidentally makes 35% LESS than Zook).
 

Looks like Zook is safe for another season. His assistants? Not so much. Here's the school's official release today:


CHAMPAIGN, Ill. - The University of Illinois football team will not renew the contracts of four members of its current coaching staff. Offensive coordinator/tight ends coach Mike Schultz, quarterbacks coach Kurt Beathard, receivers coach Jim Pry and special teams coordinator Mike Woodford will not be retained, Illinois head coach Ron Zook said today.

Zook also announced he will begin a national search to replace the departed coaches and to fill both his offensive and defensive coordinator positions. Curt Mallory and Dan Disch, current members of the Illini football staff who shared the roles of defensive coordinator the past three seasons, will continue as position coaches.

"These are some major coaching staff changes," said Zook. "Obviously we are not happy with the way the past two seasons have gone, but we believe in this program and its ability to rebound with the necessary decisions.

I can't thank these coaches and their families enough for how hard they worked, for the heart and soul they poured into Illinois football," Zook continued. "These are good, good people. These are the most difficult days in our business. I really wish all of them the very best in any future endeavors. I truly mean that."
 

Illinois is just delaying the inevitable. It will be very difficult for Ron Zook to get any coaches that are worth anything to agree to come in there and coach, knowing that they have one season to turn it around or else they and Zook will all be looking for work at the end of the season.
 

Every time I have ever seen this happen before, the coach was fired the next season. This happened at the U of M when Smokey Joe Salem was coaching - he got rid of a bunch of assistants and saved his job for one more year. The following year was that miserable 1983 season which was the worst year I can ever remember for Gopher football!!
 

Every time I have ever seen this happen before, the coach was fired the next season. This happened at the U of M when Smokey Joe Salem was coaching - he got rid of a bunch of assistants and saved his job for one more year. The following year was that miserable 1983 season which was the worst year I can ever remember for Gopher football!!

My favorite was Lou Holtz firing Skip Holtz at South Carolina!:clap:

The boy's done well though hasn't he?
 

Every time I have ever seen this happen before, the coach was fired the next season. This happened at the U of M when Smokey Joe Salem was coaching - he got rid of a bunch of assistants and saved his job for one more year. The following year was that miserable 1983 season which was the worst year I can ever remember for Gopher football!!

As bad as Brewster's first year was, 1983 was the worst year of Gopher football I have ever witnessed. Won the first game at Rice by 4 points (21-17) and got within a touchdown of their opponent once for the rest of the year. Outscored 417-147 in the Big 10. Add to that the 84-13 thrashing inflicted by Nebraska and we're talking world of hurt. Gave up more than 50 points in a game 6 times in 11 contests.

Smoldering Joe was something else. I do have a soft spot in my heart for him, as he was the Gophers' coach when they beat the Art Schlichter-led Buckeyes 35-31 in 1981 in the greatest football game I have seen in person. But that was about it for his highlight reel.
 

As bad as Brewster's first year was, 1983 was the worst year of Gopher football I have ever witnessed. Won the first game at Rice by 4 points (21-17) and got within a touchdown of their opponent once for the rest of the year. Outscored 417-147 in the Big 10. Add to that the 84-13 thrashing inflicted by Nebraska and we're talking world of hurt. Gave up more than 50 points in a game 6 times in 11 contests.

Smoldering Joe was something else. I do have a soft spot in my heart for him, as he was the Gophers' coach when they beat the Art Schlichter-led Buckeyes 35-31 in 1981 in the greatest football game I have seen in person. But that was about it for his highlight reel.

Yeah, it was so bad they didn't even put a line on the Gopher game vs. Michigan because the oddsmakers felt that Minnesota could not field a competitive team. I could not believe the number of injuries that team took. There were at least two times during the season where they had to take TWO players off the field due to injury on the same play! Norries Wilson, the big tackle fell on RB Valdez Baylor knocking him out the rest of the season during practice. The Minnesota Daily ran an ad for students to walk on to the team so the football team could practice. People were talking about dropping into the MAC conference where we could be competitive......man was that bad. I guess we can (kind of) laugh about it now but oh man that season was brutally painful to watch!!
 

This should be a wake up call to those people who think that all you need to do is recruit and you will automatically have a great program. Eventually, you have to be able to coach, too. The other Big Ten coaches all know how to recruit, too and they are all bringing in good players. As soon as the recruits and players lose faith in your program, this is what you will get. You will get your commitments plucked away and then you start losing your players that you brought in.

At this point, Ron Zook will probably lose his job. They can give him another year and inevitably will fire him at the end of NEXT season, but it won't make any difference. He really isn't a good coach and that's why Florida got rid of him, but he was brought in due to his high recruiting skills. You can recruit for about 2-3 years by selling the dream of Rose Bowls and the program on the rise, but after that people need to see results. Although Illinois beat us this year, I think I would still rather have Brewster than Zook. Brewster still has a CHANCE to be a good coach, but I think Zook is probably a done deal at this point.

On a side note, if Zook keeps his job, there could be a few Big Ten coaches getting the ax after next season. I think Michigan is on the "one more year" status with RichRod, you never know with Paterno and Brewster isn't safe either even if he gets his contract extension like I think he will after the Bowl game.

What do you mean "you never know with Paterno"? JoePa has no plans to be done at PSU, and, considering the recruiting class PSU is pulling in for next year, I highly doubt PSU plans to have JoePa out anytime soon, either.

JoePa is still more than an icon.
 

Why would they fire Zook? The man responsible for two Florida national championships?!?

:rolleyes:

I know it's a matter of opinion, but ....

Zook had lousy special teams when he was at Florida too. Amazing how that has carried over to Illinois.

As for personnel, yes, the 2006 team had a lot of Zook players in important roles.

Like Dallas Baker, who was unproductive until Meyer got there ...

A couple of other guys on that team you may have heard of - Percy Harvin & Tim Tebow - were Meyer recruits.

The 2008 team .... stop it. That was Meyer's team, not Zook's.
 

What do you mean "you never know with Paterno"? JoePa has no plans to be done at PSU, and, considering the recruiting class PSU is pulling in for next year, I highly doubt PSU plans to have JoePa out anytime soon, either.

JoePa is still more than an icon.

He's a 147 years old. He might want a couple of years to write his memoirs. Or sadly, nature might force retirement. I don't see PSU fading anytime soon regardless. How much of the heavy lifting do we think JoePa still does? My guess, not too much.
 

What do you mean "you never know with Paterno"? JoePa has no plans to be done at PSU, and, considering the recruiting class PSU is pulling in for next year, I highly doubt PSU plans to have JoePa out anytime soon, either.

JoePa is still more than an icon.

When you get to be his age you never know when health could all of a sudden be an issue and he would have to step down. I am not saying they would get rid of him because he was a bad coach!!

Note: I didn't see Schnoodler's response - he kind of answered it for me....
 




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