Your opinion of the Gophers after Maui is?...

Your opinion of the Gophers after Maui is?...

  • Better than I expected, encouraged by 'Cuse game, first of vs Ark and last 5 min vs Chaminade

    Votes: 8 7.6%
  • Worse than I expected, concerned about 2nd half of Arkansas and Chaminade game

    Votes: 37 35.2%
  • About what I expected, up and down season is in store for us

    Votes: 60 57.1%

  • Total voters
    105
I think this team is better than what I expected them to be at this point. I think Pitino may have learned something from this tournment on rotations and how things in these tournamens. The Gophers went so hard after he win against Syracuse playing just 7 players and going all in to win that game cost them against Arkansas when it was clear the team was out of gas. The only other time this is going to be a factor is during the Big Ten Tournament. When you play at a high pace on the defensive end you can wear yourself out and the Gophers did that IMO. I was very impressed how they did against Syracuse and that should be a positive sign going forward. FSU is going to be a great challenge for this team but it is a winnable game but it wont be easy. The Gophers are a better team than I thought they would be at this point but they need to add more depth to the roster. I think if one thing we found out is that the team needs 4 solid big men to play against the better teams and that is one thing that needs to happen through recruiting.
 

My impression is worse, but the sky isn't falling. We lost to a good team, lost to a bad team, and then beat a really bad team. This early on in Pitino's career, I am excited in spite of our performance in Maui, but I don't see how anyone could be encouraged because of it. Don't lose to FSU.
 


It will be up and down but I think we (Pitino) will stick with the press. Smith is finding his role and chemistry will improve. Mo needs to get his legs and be a low post presence. I never got a bad vibe from the bench in these games, everyone seems "all in". FSU should be a fun game. Enjoy.
 



I think one thing that people need to remember is that the Gophers had prepared for Syracuse leading into the tournament. Outside of talking about the opponent, I am sure that they did not have any real practice preparation for Arkansas or Chaminade. That's not poor coaching, that's just the nature of tournaments. I am encouraged by what I saw overall in the 3 days. There are definitely going to be growing pains, but that's to be expected. Coach Pitino wants to run a certain style of offense and defense. There are some players on the roster that fit, but there are others that don't quite fit what he's trying to do, but I don't like saying such and such player should leave because they don't fit the system. They earned the scholarship and deserve to be here.

Which leads my into my biggest point, I am really looking forward to seeing how Coach Pitino develops these players. I always felt under Tubby the Gophers never really played their best ball at the end of the season. Players seemed to stagnate under him. I really hope that Coach Pitino can develop the players that are currently here and those he brings in. As a coach myself, I really look forward to this part of an athletic team the most.
 

9-9

We will need to go 10-8 in conference to make the dance

9-9 could also be a way in, especially if there are multiple wins against the top 3-4 teams in the conference. The upcoming FSU game is big. Understatement.
 

We have a very good coach! He inherited a horrible roster. He had days to find 4 guys who are in the top 7!! How delusional are you?
We are small...some of you want us to play slow? Our only chance is to disrupt tempo. Syracuse took shots I guarantee you Boeheim didn't want.
This is the value of the press more than turnovers. Andre Hollins has not shown the ability to carry us...until he feels comfortable doing that...we will struggle. There are no other go to players. It was not on his shoulders last year. It was Trevor's team. Pretty big difference in mindset this year for him. Patience. We will get better. We will have ugly games.
Just some more perspective: Syracuse is number 8 in the country. We had a chance to win the game...that was coaching.
Arkansas played possessed in the second half...it's pretty hard to stop an avalanche.
Chaminade was down 3 to #18 Baylor at the half...Baylor beat them by a similar margin to our game. Just because Chaminade is D2 doesn't make them horrible.
Patience. We need 3 recruiting classes and you can argue we have already had two. I can argue we have had none. The next one is the first one we are able to start at pretty much the same starting line as our opponents.
We have an excellent coach!
 

the maui just gave me the opinion that we will once again be much like illinois last year in the terms that we can roll with anyone but we can lose to anyone. it will take awhile for this system to be effective (need to grow more comfortable in our half court, need to learn our defensive responsibilities in the D half court, and strength in rebounding) and this team needs to learn to play the style. also, having so few bodies is going to be rough. the team looked tired in the 2nd half against ark. luckily we won't have to be playing 3 games in 3 days any other time other than (hopefully) the B10 tourney. i like the movement for this program going forward. the style excites me and i feel like it will do the same for recruits. feel as though we are on the up and up and that the maui is just part of the adjustment period. definitely encouraged for the future, but this may be a tough season. still holding out hope for a bid to the dance.
 



Losing Trevor, Losing Rodney, and installing a new system that requires speed & depth

Preseason magazines have the gophers picked to finish anywhere from 8 to 11th, I am sure Vegas was similar. This is how the team looked in Maui. Losing TM and Rodney's defense was going to kill this returning team whether it was Tubby or Pitino. It may hurt Pitino more as his new system requires very quick athletes, and we lost 2 of our best, while Tubby slowed down the pace. Arkansas is quicker and more athletic than any big ten team out there, more skilled--no not even close. That is why a team like Purdue, who i find to be about even with the gophers in talent, may have a better chance with a slower style and a post presence to beat that kind of team. Should Pitino adjust, i think he will tweak things, but in the end he wants a Louisville/Florida press, pressure, and fast pace, and we will have to be patient with the success for now.

Someone compared us to Illinois of last year and that is a good comparison. When our guards are hitting the 3 we will be in many games. We have only the possiblity of Mo being a post scorer and we just don't know if his rebounding and defense will let him play that many minutes. If Trevor had a 7th year we might have gone 3-0, who knows? Trevor hadn't had a true pg like Mathieu in the last few years.









Your opinion of the Gophers after Maui is?...
 


Pretty funny about people whining about beating Chaminade by less than 20. I suppose none of you remember Chaminade beating No. 1 UVA and Ralph Samson, back in the day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_YdxrPD04g).

good point harry. because chaminade beat virginia in the early 80s, we should be happy with yesterday's game. wow.

can you imagine how happy wisconsin must have been to have beaten the gophers in football last week since we are the last college team to three-peat back in the 30s?
 

We will need to go 10-8 in conference to make the dance


Dude get in touch with reality.....this team might not win 5 B1G games and has about the same chance of making the NCAA Tournament as the Vikings have to make the playoffs.
 



good point harry. because chaminade beat virginia in the early 80s, we should be happy with yesterday's game. wow.

can you imagine how happy wisconsin must have been to have beaten the gophers in football last week since we are the last college team to three-peat back in the 30s?

Ever hear of a trap game?
 


Dude get in touch with reality.....this team might not win 5 B1G games and has about the same chance of making the NCAA Tournament as the Vikings have to make the playoffs.

Since you're the second guy to do this, learn to ****in comprehend you ****in retard, I said this is what they need to do not what they're going do, go kick rocks you ****in piece of ****. Seriously, are you retarded?
 

Your opinion of the Gophers after Maui is?...

Maui was about what I expected, ya know, ups and downs like a yo-yo, and I'm going to continue to expect that throughout the season. I think that's the most realistic viewpoint, given the new coach installing an entirely new system and without even the benefit of his own full recruiting class in order to help implement such drastic change.

Clearly, we are undermanned size-wise and in the front court, hurting for rebounding, and I can foresee a lot of games where EE and Mo despite their best efforts might get into early foul difficulties because of that. It's just a shame Rakeem Buckles isn't here (and curses to the NCAA once again), as that is an area of need he could surely (and immediately) helped address, and with 15+ points and 9+ rebounds per game for FIU so far this season, he's proven himself healthy and a highly effective player. Water under the bridge, I know, but still, that pisses me off.

Anyway, I saw a lot of positives in Maui. I loved the overall energy of the team, especially given the really fricken early AM starts. It ain't easy trying to generate energy at that hour of the morning (and in paradise no less), but I thought Pitino and staff did a very good job extracting max effort from their players most of the time (with the exception being in portions of the Chaminade game). Two players which especially stood out to me in that regard were Mav Ahanmisi, who seems to have become kind of a whipping boy on this board for all the things that he is not, but what I love about the kid is the fact that he unfailingly gives it his all. He plays hard and busts his tail every minute out there, he plays like it matters and means something to him no matter what the game situation might be, and honestly, who could fault a player like that? Love such effort, and he played like that in Maui. The second would be Joey King, as he really impressed with his high energy and effort.

Those were the two players which really struck me coming out of Hawaii, but obviously and understandably enough the team as a whole is still entirely a work in progress, and because of that we're likely to get blown right out of the gym some games, but we will win our fair share too, especially if Pitino and Co. are able to motivate as I felt they did in Maui.

As they say, Rome was not built in one day, and neither is a basketball program, and at this point it seems mostly personnel (or rather, adequate lack thereof) capable of playing Pitino's style that we're missing, the exact right pieces and fits. I do feel proud of this team though, proud of their effort, and proud of their coaches post-Maui, and have great hope and am really, really, really looking forward to the future, just to see what happens. :)
 

Opinion was better after the Syracuse game. Worse after the Arkansas game. not sure what to think after the final game. Much will be learned after FSU.
 

Did about as well as a Tubby team would have done. Given time, young Richard will far surpass what Tubby would have done here.
 

Ever hear of a trap game?

I hate the phrase "trap game". It always feels like a weak attempt to justify losing to a bad team. Since we didn't lose to Chaminawhatever, I don't really care, because in my book a win-is-a-win-is-a-win and a loss-is-a-loss-is-a-loss, but if we had lost, I would not be at all comforted by the "trap game" label.
 

It was a great tournament to attend, great teams, very well run in a high school size gym. Definitely worth the expense - not a cheap flight at Thanksgiving. My thoughts (most fairly obvious): We played well against Syracuse, but probably should have played more guys - we were gassed for 2nd half of AK game. AK is better than most would think and the game was refereed to their advantage (very physical). They play the same game we play, but with more bigger, better athletes. Chaminade is not that bad - they had 5 former D1 players, including Varidel (In NCAAs with FGC last year & hit 42 or 43 against Baylor). Last year they beat TX in the first round of this tournament. We substituted quite liberally early in that game, which came back to bite us later in the first half. We have a good coach with limited talent, which hurts in a 3 day tournament. Many Syracuse fans complimented our coach after the game. Whoever on this board who predicted we are playing for 7th place in the BIG, I think is quite accurate. I feel we are NIT bound, with an outside shot of the NCAAs. A couple other observations... 1)These holiday tournaments are great - go if you have a chance. 2)Oto may not be our best player, but his girlfriend was one of the hottest girls in the gym during our games...very easy on the eyes. :)
 

It was a great tournament to attend, great teams, very well run in a high school size gym. Definitely worth the expense - not a cheap flight at Thanksgiving. My thoughts (most fairly obvious): We played well against Syracuse, but probably should have played more guys - we were gassed for 2nd half of AK game. AK is better than most would think and the game was refereed to their advantage (very physical). They play the same game we play, but with more bigger, better athletes. Chaminade is not that bad - they had 5 former D1 players, including Varidel (In NCAAs with FGC last year & hit 42 or 43 against Baylor). Last year they beat TX in the first round of this tournament. We substituted quite liberally early in that game, which came back to bite us later in the first half. We have a good coach with limited talent, which hurts in a 3 day tournament. Many Syracuse fans complimented our coach after the game. Whoever on this board who predicted we are playing for 7th place in the BIG, I think is quite accurate. I feel we are NIT bound, with an outside shot of the NCAAs. A couple other observations... 1)These holiday tournaments are great - go if you have a chance. 2)Oto may not be our best player, but his girlfriend was one of the hottest girls in the gym during our games...very easy on the eyes. :)

Well, that could explain why Oto sometimes plays like he's ignored practicing the basic basketball skills.
 





Top Bottom