World Herald: Kill's recruiting strategy is certainly homespun

[Bob_Loblaw]

I must have missed all those all-americans Brewster coached while he was here.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this because unlike most people on this board I completely ignore the stars by a kids name, it means nothing to me. The people who claim Brewster recruited better than Mason have ONE thing to point at, and that's the # of stars a kid had when he signed his LOI. I, on the other hand, only look at the kids themselves and what kind of football players they are. Odd I know, to actually watch players play to determine how good they are rather than basing it off the amount of stars a recruiting service gives them. I guess I'm weird like that.

#1: You keep bringing up the ratings, it's nonsense. Here is how people look at it: Recruiting is the process of getting kids to choose your school. Brewster had kids choose our school over more comptetion than any coach before him. Brewster (as well as the countless other BCS coaches who offered), wanted certain kids....and Brewster did a better job than any coach we've had (so far, but I have faith in Kill) at getting those players to choose the U over their other offers. In that narrowly defined defitiniton of "recruiting", it is really indisputable that Brewster WON more recruiting battles.
-It ended up not mattering because he failed at every other aspect of coaching. It'd be like if you put a powerful engine in a car without wheels, it doesn't make the engine any less powerful because the car won't move.
#2: Maybe you should let Brew's first class graduate before we make an assesment on the kind of players he has recruited...
That 2008 class will have a handful of NFL players in a couple years. The current roster certainly has more NFL prospects than the last 4 years (where we've put 4 players in the NFL).
-Again, a big problem with the 2008 class is Brewster's failures at every other aspect of coaching.
#3: I don't mean this confrontationally, but you seem inable to discuss different aspects of coaching seperately from the "big picture". I don't even mean this as insult, it just is apparent that you think the only way to look at ANY aspect of coaching is in terms of W-L's, and there is probably a decent argument for that approach. However, I think you can be miss some details when you use that "all or nothing approach". For instance, if you looked at Ted Roof after hsi time at Duke, you'd have probably argued he couldn't coach anything (now he has proven to be a very good defensive coordinator).

 

[DMB123]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

 

[Unregistered User]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

Oh...never mind, you wouldn't pay attention anyways.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

It can't possibly be the approach you take. It is at odds with everything you have said in this entire thread.

Brew's 1st class is going to be in their 4th season, this year. That class will obviously have a ton of talent (way more than the average Gopher class), and that class will likely have a handful of NFL players

You can't possibly say that you are taking a wait and see approach on Brew's recruiting when his first class should all be RS JRs this season. Even if for some reason, which defies logic, you don't like the 2008 class....you can't possibly have an opinion on the 2009 or 2010 classes yet (if you really take that approach).

 

[Kuato Lives!]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

Wow you are really dense. I'm sorry, but either you are intentionally trolling or you are just really really stupid. It's been mentioned at least twice on this page so instead of stars you should

LOOK AT THE OFFERS

LOOK AT THE OFFERS

LOOK AT THE OFFERS

LOOK AT THE OFFERS

 

[Arbogast]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

So by this philosophy Mason's last 3-4 classes were crap judging by how they performed with their 1-11, 7-6, 6-7 and 3-9 seasons respectively. However, he was a better recruiter? Sorry can't buy that. Next.

 

[Arbogast]

What are you trying to say Kuato?

 

[Formo]

It can't possibly be the approach you take. It is at odds with everything you have said in this entire thread.

Brew's 1st class is going to be in their 4th season, this year. That class will obviously have a ton of talent (way more than the average Gopher class), and that class will likely have a handful of NFL players

You can't possibly say that you are taking a wait and see approach on Brew's recruiting when his first class should all be RS JRs this season. Even if for some reason, which defies logic, you don't like the 2008 class....you can't possibly have an opinion on the 2009 or 2010 classes yet (if you really take that approach).

Bobby Loblaw, layin' the smacketh down!

 

[RodentRampage]

People always say, "you can't judge a recruiting class until 3-4 years down the road". Well that's the approach I take. Mason's recruiting classes filled with 2 and 3 star players, after 3-4 years in the program, turned out to be much better players than Brewster's classes and the results prove that.

The amount of stars that Brewster's recruits had have fooled people into thinking they were better players than the 2 star players Mason was recruiting. If you take away the ratings by Rivals and Scout and only look at the players themselves nobody in their right mind would ever say that Brewster recruited better players than Mason did.

If Kill does well, then Brewster's recruiting starts looking better. Recruiting is part of the game, but game day coaching and player development are also parts of the game. Bad coaching can make players look a lot worse than they are.

 

[DMB123]

It can't possibly be the approach you take. It is at odds with everything you have said in this entire thread. Brew's 1st class is going to be in their 4th season, this year. That class will obviously have a ton of talent (way more than the average Gopher class), and that class will likely have a handful of NFL players

You can't possibly say that you are taking a wait and see approach on Brew's recruiting when his first class should all be RS JRs this season. Even if for some reason, which defies logic, you don't like the 2008 class....you can't possibly have an opinion on the 2009 or 2010 classes yet (if you really take that approach).

It doesn't go against anything I've said in this thread. People look at the ratings of Brewster's recruits and think they are better than Mason's recruits simply because they had more stars. Because god knows they can't possibly come to that conclusion by actually WATCHING THEM PLAY.

Mason's teams were better than Brewster's, they were more talented than Brewster's, they won more games than Brewster's, they had more All-Americans than Brewster's, they had more all Big Ten players than Brewster's. But please keep telling me how Brewster out recruited Mason.

 

[calminnfan]

mason recruited kids that fit his system, brewster had a new system every year.. you cant do that and expect to win.. however, brewster bar none brought in more talented kids than mason... the problem was after they got here brewster had a whole different philosophy... they no longer fit the system he was running... a good coach adjusts his system to the tallent he has brewster just kept adjusting his system..

ive been called an idoit numerous times on here for posts... it is now my turn... you sir are an idiot if you think the tallent level kill is inheriting is worse off than when brewster came....

Mason did not bother recruiting kids if he even whiffed a helmet school had interest in them. That is one of the reasons MN HS coaches did not like him...Mason did not even bother trying to get some of the better talent in MN.