It all depends on how you interpret Title IX and then interpret if the school's actions or lack of actions were consistent with the requirements of the law.
Someone could certainly try to argue that a school failed to act by choosing not to suspend a player from a team, because that would have been in the best interests of protecting the student body from sexual abuse. I have no idea if that is a logical or legally relevant argument ... but schools are all about risk mitigation when it comes to this stuff.
It’s not required by Title IX. It’s about public relations. Here is an article relevant to MN.
https://theathletic.com/264135/2018...hletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/
You have to understand that many (including our own frat2017) have been fed misinformation about the number of false allegations (you’ll hear 2 percent from special interest groups) that feed into the public demand for instant punishment. Some schools may be more willing to stand and say wait for all the evidence to come in, while others (eg at MN) have no stomach for standing for the accused because it’s (naturally) the hard thing to do. Pick a side.
“Your stats are wrong but I’m not going to give you any different stats”
...following “unspecified” charges from the Dane County DA’s office
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Quintez is a very good writer...
It’s not required by Title IX.
It's not impossible they choose to allow what they allow, a coach can always put their foot down, they ultimately decide who is on the field, I know Alvarez runs the show but he's not wearing the head set on the sidelines on Saturday. As for the reporter, the Badgers are all that town has, you cross them, good luck getting your story. Here, the press has much more leveragePretty sure PJ has suspended guys for drugs and other minor offenses (under the table) before. Under Wisconsin’s policy I don’t think that’s possible.
I think coaches should be able to suspend players for whatever they want and I’m unsure if that’s possible in Wisconsin’s system.
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Quintez is a very good writer...
Older brother Quadtez is better.
I do not believe you understood my argument for why this statement may not matter...
It's younger brother Sextez that is the real problem...
It's not impossible they choose to allow what they allow, a coach can always put their foot down, they ultimately decide who is on the field, I know Alvarez runs the show but he's not wearing the head set on the sidelines on Saturday. As for the reporter, the Badgers are all that town has, you cross them, good luck getting your story. Here, the press has much more leverage
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Wisconsin's policy is an athletic department policy that was set down in 2003. The policy applies in criminal cases, when an athlete has been arrested or charged. So in these cases it's not really up to the coaches' discretion when a player plays. There's an athletic department panel that determines the discipline. I'm assuming that if there are issues like fighting with other players in the locker room, then the discipline is up to the head coach.
https://uwbadgers.com/sports/2017/8/10/policies-student-athlete-discipline-policy.aspx?id=1336
It's a good thing to have a set of guidelines like this. No program is immune to bad behavior. The important thing is that the program responds correctly, doesn't try to hide or lie or be shady, or favor star players.
I think I understand it fine but feel free to expand on your comment - some schools may suspend prior to an investigation or during for legal CYA and public relations reasons. It’s the easier route when the accused typically have few resources to fight back in a legal sense. Administrator 101.
Agreed. But my point was that it may not be correct for you to be dismissive of this strategy simply because Title IX doesn’t explicitly require the school to do that specific thing in its language.
My overarching point is that many laws are written vaguely on purpose, and I believe Title IX falls into that category. So just because a law doesn’t explicitly require/allow/forbid a specific thing doesn’t automatically mean the law would not apply in a court room or that the opposition wouldn’t attempt to apply it.
Wisconsin's policy is an athletic department policy that was set down in 2003. The policy applies in criminal cases, when an athlete has been arrested or charged. So in these cases it's not really up to the coaches' discretion when a player plays. There's an athletic department panel that determines the discipline. I'm assuming that if there are issues like fighting with other players in the locker room, then the discipline is up to the head coach.
https://uwbadgers.com/sports/2017/8/10/policies-student-athlete-discipline-policy.aspx?id=1336
It's a good thing to have a set of guidelines like this. No program is immune to bad behavior. The important thing is that the program responds correctly, doesn't try to hide or lie or be shady, or favor star players.
"You see, instead, I am going to organize… a special, blue-ribbon fact-finding commission… made up of myself and, uh, Miss Betty Childs, and we will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed...."
In all seriousness, I guess I'm not a fan that it's not up to the coaches' discretion, just because a crime wasn't committed. The coach should determine how he wants to run his ship. As long as it's consistent.
At the same time, I don't like the way the EOAA at the U handled things, immediately throwing everyone under the bus, but the students get their chance to appeal, only after it's too late in terms of public perception.
I got no solutions; I'm just going to yell at the clouds....
What do you mean?
According to Madison's post, he said "Wisconsin's policy is an athletic department policy that was set down in 2003. The policy applies in criminal cases, when an athlete has been arrested or charged. So in these cases it's not really up to the coaches' discretion when a player plays. There's an athletic department panel that determines the discipline."
I guess I interpret that a coach can only do something if a charge has occurred.
I may totally be incorrect & will be happy to be corrected if that's the case.
Yes, it doesn’t explicitly define the process for each school.
Unrelated, out of curiosity I visited Buckyville and the overall sentiment there (small sample of course) was wait and see for the process to play out, in contrast to the instant conviction our players have received here. Our fan base seems far more sensitive to public opinion.
It's not impossible they choose to allow what they allow, a coach can always put their foot down, they ultimately decide who is on the field, I know Alvarez runs the show but he's not wearing the head set on the sidelines on Saturday. As for the reporter, the Badgers are all that town has, you cross them, good luck getting your story. Here, the press has much more leverage
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Madison has a whole lot more than the Badger football team. Shows you've never been here. We swim, sail, fish, boat, ski, in the summer months, we ice fish, ice boat in the winter months. In between, we enjoy our weather, and whatever Badger sport is playing at the time. BTW, Alvarez has NOT worn a headset since he retired from coaching. Those of you who believe Alvarez is still pulling the strings regarding what goes on the football field every Saturday are living in Lalaland. It hasn't happened since he quit as coach. He's hired, and given advice to idiots like Bielema, and Andersen BUT that is all that he's given. Dream again.
Wow. you REALLY believe this ?
Danny Davis also one of their top WRs.
"You see, instead, I am going to organize… a special, blue-ribbon fact-finding commission… made up of myself and, uh, Miss Betty Childs, and we will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed...."
In all seriousness, I guess I'm not a fan that it's not up to the coaches' discretion, just because a crime wasn't committed. The coach should determine how he wants to run his ship. As long as it's consistent.
At the same time, I don't like the way the EOAA at the U handled things, immediately throwing everyone under the bus, but the students get their chance to appeal, only after it's too late in terms of public perception.
I got no solutions; I'm just going to yell at the clouds....