Why won't they play Gray/Alipate

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Zeppelin Gopher said:
Horrifying look at the future??? Gray's series in garbage time against the Bucks last season was anything but "horrifying"!!! Stop attempting to defend this crap, it makes no sense whatsoever
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Just amazing. He hasn't been practicing as a QB all year. Are people honestly this clueless about football?
 

They can't play because they can't handle the system that has been used all year. There is no future until the new coach is hired and announced. Horton and Weber are closing the season out.

In addition to a new coach, we need to replace a heck of a lot of fans. That will be the job of the new coach. Perhaps the new coach will even wonder out loud, why on earth didn't Brewster ever teach any of the qb's to be a back up qb? Of course, the new coach will also wonder why Brewster burned through six coordinators in 3 1/2 seasons...why he was so incredibly incompetent and why he was such a bad recruiter.

No other qb's will play because they can't handle this offense. And, the people who bash Weber will just have to live with the fact that nobody is listening to them. Why should anybody listen to them? There is absolutely no reason to listen to them. The answer is very clear and simple and always has been clear and simple. Brewster never had anybody ready to be a back up qb. The ONLY way anyone other than Weber will play qb is if Weber can't go. And, that is just one of the facts of life re: the failed Macturian experiment of brewball.

So, you people bash the kid who stepped up every time his number was called. You should have bashed Brewster and Maturi. You should have rebelled when Maturi extended Brewster last year. But, you cheered and talked about Brewster's recruiting.

YOU people are the reason there is no back up qb. YOU people wanted Brewster and YOU people even liked that he was extended. YOU people need to take a good look at yourselves and hang your collective heads in shame.

Rather than bash Weber...bash yourselves for failing to see what Brewster was doing and NOT doing to this football program. He was running it into the ground starting back in 2007. Shame on you people for bashing Weber when you should have been bashing Brewster all along.

Now bring in that new coach and we can start getting some back up qb's ready to go. Brewster is gone. The new coach will have some back up quarterbacks...
 

Goldmember said:
Just amazing. He hasn't been practicing as a QB all year. Are people honestly this clueless about football?
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Exactly! Given how thin we are at WR and how important Gray has become at that position there is no way he is splitting reps at practice between QB and WR. You can't just throw a kid in at QB who hasn't practiced at the position. It would be unfair to everyone involved and likely end up with an even bigger train wreck than we are currently in.
 

In our storied history there is an example of the coach changing QBs in the last game of the season - for the good of all. It was '92, Jim Wacker's first year. As we all know, Jim loved throwing the ball around and developed some QBs really good at it. But that season he stuck all year with Marquell Fleetwood, a senior who could run but was a so-so passer (50%, like Weber). With Fleetwood, the Gophers were 1-8 going into the Iowa game at home. The Gophers were down 13-10 in the second half when a kid named St. Sauver (from St. Paul Johnson) went in (I think Fleetwood was hurt) and began uncorking some long passes, two for touchdowns. He broke the game open and the Gophers won, 28-13 (Wacker's only victory over Iowa). Unfortunately, he left school after the season for reasons I can't recall. But it was a peffect example of the reserve QB coming off the bench and winning the day - to the amazement of announcers and fans.
 

So what idiot decided to move Gray to WR & to give Weber 95% of the snaps in practice? Oh right...good thing we fired him...smh...
 


GopherGack said:
But that's not the case is it? The real question is: would they rather lose games with their (apparent) leader at the helm or lose games with their sophmore backup? Quit trying to frame this as a "Lose vs. Win" scenario when we both know it's a "Lose vs. Lose" scenario.
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Well, we were talking in hypotheticals. I'll replay what you said for you....
Silvio said "I bet you almost every player on the team would trade QBs if it got them a W".
You replied, "I bet you a large portion wouldn't".
I jumped into the conversation, "seriously? you don't think they would trade a W if it meant changing Qbs?"
You replied, "loyalty is a strong thing..."

So in this hypothetical, you said that the locker room wouldn't trade a W for a QB change.


I don't really think it would make a difference either, but I jumped into the conversation because you made the ridiculous statement that players wouldn't trade a W for a QB change (in that hypothetical).
 

MNRideorDieChick said:
Team psyche is shot to hell. The kids are just so embarassed already that they are trying not to make things worse. I expect someone to snap this weekend.[/QUOTE]

Someone on the team or someone on this board.;)
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tikited said:
I know... That drive was legendary.
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People say Gray must suck if he's not getting reps but anyone who saw that OSU game last year saw a QB with hints of being extremely good both with his hands & feet...

The coaches are just idiots & I am glad they are gone after this year...
 

If Gray is not getting enough snaps to play then it is on the coaching staff. They certainly claimed he would be ready if needed. Did they lie for the first half of the year? I suspect our only hope of keeping Gray is at QB. If he truly will be a WR, he will be gone to a program with an actual QB

As for not having any one to play WR, how do we know? Last year, McKnight did not catch a ball until Decker went down and he has looked pretty good since. How come they could not get McKnight on the field with Decker?

How do we know Keise or Carpenter or someone can't fill in? They never get a chance.
 

thailleagle said:
People say Gray must suck if he's not getting reps but anyone who saw that OSU game last year saw a QB with hints of being extremely good both with his hands & feet...

The coaches are just idiots & I am glad they are gone after this year...
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I agree with that last sentence for sure.
 

GopherGack said:
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If you replace Weber, even in those fourth quarters, you can create a QB controversy and that will fracture what has to be an already fragile locker room.

These kids have been unbelievably resilient as far as I can tell. They are a 1 win team. They lost their head coach. They have a brand new OC who is now their HC as well. They have gotten booed by their home fans. They get ripped by the media. Any one of these negative things could have broken the team but instead, for the most part, we see them come out to play hard and try and compete. You don't see in-fighting along the sideline. We have had no reports of any off the field troubles. Through it all this group has amazingly stayed as a team and I think you can only attribute that to the players and leaders on the team.

When you look at the big picture is playing Gray or Alipate worth the risk of fracturing the team's psyche?
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I'm trying to be kind here: What a pile of baloney. A QB controversy in the 4th quarter with the game out of sight? Tell that to nearly every other team in the country that has the sense to get their backup a few snaps whenever possible. How many times in the last dozen years have we seen games turn into nightmares because the opponent brought in their backup to shake things up when things were not going well?

Sorry for being so strident, but this staff has no excuse for spending the last four seasons giving only one player any meaningful snaps at QB. They had numerous opportunities to do it, mostly being way behind, occasionally being far enough ahead, but just wouldn't. They still don't, so if you're looking for a logical explanation that ship has sailed.

So why do we see only Weber, regardless of situation, while other teams get their backups snaps at every good opportunity? Can't say for certain but if nothing that makes sense holds water, try expanding the box. I'm becoming suspicious this situation is being orchestrated by people off-campus, or perhaps out of the AD's office. Does it have to do with personal numbers? A Minnesotan playing QB? Is it Alumni / booster driven? Did our coach make a deal with the devil a few years ago and agree to something that's not reasonable in order to keep Weber (who was a pretty decent recruit at the time) around? Wish I had a more conventional explanation left to consider. Well, I suppose there is one: We are so bad and so shallow at QB that only Adam Weber is even close to being able to play the position. Yes, I know it was brought up already, but I just didn't want to believe it.
 



maxwellsmart said:
I'm becoming suspicious this situation is being orchestrated by people off-campus, or perhaps out of the AD's office. Does it have to do with personal numbers? A Minnesotan playing QB? Is it Alumni / booster driven? Did our coach make a deal with the devil a few years ago and agree to something that's not reasonable in order to keep Weber (who was a pretty decent recruit at the time) around? Wish I had a more conventional explanation left to consider. Well, I suppose there is one: We are so bad and so shallow at QB that only Adam Weber is even close to being able to play the position. Yes, I know it was brought up already, but I just didn't want to believe it.
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The only thing I could think of to reply to this was ... oh yeah here it is.

maxwellsmart said:
I'm trying to be kind here: What a pile of baloney.
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If MG was so unprepared to play at QB, why did he get snaps in a competitive bowl game last year? Please correct me if I am wrong, I only listed to the game on radio but did he not fumble as a QB near the end of the game?
 

Silvio said:
If MG was so unprepared to play at QB, why did he get snaps in a competitive bowl game last year? Please correct me if I am wrong, I only listed to the game on radio but did he not fumble as a QB near the end of the game?
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He did fumble, and it was a mistake to have him in the game at that point, but this is exactly why I can't buy the argument that Horton/Brewster have been throwing out there. He's been back there before. We don't run an offensive set that is soooo "out there" that he couldn't grasp a few of the plays to run at the end of blowouts. Madness I tell you.
 

I agree it was a mistake, yet it sums up the coaching staff. They put him in there in a critical situation in a game winning drive last year, but he can't see the field (one snap) this year even in garbage time.
 

It is mind boggling not to play him at the end of games.

It is suppose to be a similar offense of last year, except we no longer have a zone "read". I put "read" in quotes because I don't think when Gray was in it was ever a read play, but just a QB keeper off a fake handoff.

However, the offense is something Gray was working on last year, competed for the starting spot, and works on at least 10% of the time now. Having him run a series or two and do standard hand offs and basic drop back pass plays cannot bet too much to ask of him.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
The whole thing is stupid and could snowball into something ugly by the time we play Iowa; of course, Gray should get some reps - at the end of games, at least. I've felt since last year that he's a better athlete than Weber and should play more, but a total boycott of him so Weber can pads his stats, is just stupid, if that is what is happening (maybe it isn't). If he'd played a bit here and there at the end of games, this issue would have gone away.
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Let me get this straight, Gray was ready for reps last year against Ohio State but isn't this year. Those are not leadership characteristics on how to instill confidence and develop players. Guess what, Gray would perform fine, he did last year, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't this year. It is all in Horton's head. He sounds like a control freak.
 

jovs said:
Let me get this straight, Gray was ready for reps last year against Ohio State but isn't this year. Those are not leadership characteristics on how to instill confidence and develop players. Guess what, Gray would perform fine, he did last year, there is no reason to believe he wouldn't this year. It is all in Horton's head. He sounds like a control freak.
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So, you're supporting Horton for the new Head Coach then?;)
 

Winnipegopher said:
If Gray is not getting enough snaps to play then it is on the coaching staff. They certainly claimed he would be ready if needed. Did they lie for the first half of the year? I suspect our only hope of keeping Gray is at QB. If he truly will be a WR, he will be gone to a program with an actual QB

As for not having any one to play WR, how do we know? Last year, McKnight did not catch a ball until Decker went down and he has looked pretty good since. How come they could not get McKnight on the field with Decker?

How do we know Keise or Carpenter or someone can't fill in? They never get a chance.
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Of course they can fill in. And would likely do quite well. There is simply no excuse not to get some snaps to one or more future QBs for this Program. They do not have to start, just get them some real game experience. DO IT! THE GOPHERS WILL BE BETTER FOR IT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. ITS KIND OF SILLY AND COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO DO OTHERWISE. jmho.
 

Goldmember said:
:banghead::banghead:
How many times do you have to be told?

By continuing to ask the question you are basically demanding that the staff bad-mouth the potential backups. The alternatives to Weber would be embarrassing to everyone involved. Is that what you want to hear?

Honest to God, some people are just not happy until they are watching the biggest, nastiest flaming train-wreck that they have the resources to create.
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Bump!
 

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