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Weber is the face of the team. He's the guy who by far gives the team the best chance to win. He is going to finish the rest of this season as Qb. He will be a 3 time captain. He will be the Qb all of next season then get drafted. He's the best Qb to ever play for Minnesota so maybe you all should be happy for what you have and stopping ripping on him. Grey will get his time when Weber leaves.
 

Decker is the face of the team. It is debatable that he gives us the best chance to win. We are fans and do not know if he will be the QB for the rest of the season. There are a lot of QB's who don't get drafted. Sorry for being negative, but I don't think the gap is very big between what I have seen out of Weber and what I expect out of Gray.
 

Ballard8383 said:
Weber is the face of the team. He's the guy who by far gives the team the best chance to win. He is going to finish the rest of this season as Qb. He will be a 3 time captain. He will be the Qb all of next season then get drafted. He's the best Qb to ever play for Minnesota so maybe you all should be happy for what you have and stopping ripping on him. Grey will get his time when Weber leaves.
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Stop it.......
 

Ballard8383 said:
Weber is the face of the team. He's the guy who by far gives the team the best chance to win. He is going to finish the rest of this season as Qb. He will be a 3 time captain. He will be the Qb all of next season then get drafted. He's the best Qb to ever play for Minnesota so maybe you all should be happy for what you have and stopping ripping on him. Grey will get his time when Weber leaves.
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"The best QB to play for Minnesota" really? Would he even think that? Besides the cliche answer of "The QB gets more of the praise and so he gets more of the blame" there are other answers as well.

He has missed quite a few of wide open receivers and he's made a few glaringly bad decisions. What he might need more then anything is more time to throw the ball and the greenlight to take-off and run if he can't find a Gopher player open.

"Give us Gray" will still be heard until the above problems are solved. It will be LOUDER if they are not.
 

Ballard8383 said:
Weber is the face of the team. He's the guy who by far gives the team the best chance to win. He is going to finish the rest of this season as Qb. He will be a 3 time captain. He will be the Qb all of next season then get drafted. He's the best Qb to ever play for Minnesota so maybe you all should be happy for what you have and stopping ripping on him. Grey will get his time when Weber leaves.
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It appears that Weber's friends/relatives/H.S. teammates are starting to circle the wagons. I perdict that it will be "saintdon" X 100 in GopherHole from now on.

Many of us are just not going to be happy to watch the most highly touted Gopher quarterback recruit since Sandy Stephens sit on the bench for two years while Weber stuggles to find open receivers, and then actually throw them a catchable pass.
 


The fact is that he may be the best. Who would you take over him...Cupito, Abdul-Khaliq, Cockerham, Travis Cole, Sauter, Foggie? Maybe Hohensee was better. Also, Weber will get a look in the NFL and I don't think any Gopher QB ever has played the the league.

So you guys can scream for Gray but Brew and Fisch know what they are doing. Also, Penn St and Ohio St would love the Gophs to bench Weber and play Gray significant minutes at QB.
 

Large said:
The fact is that he may be the best. Who would you take over him...Cupito, Abdul-Khaliq, Cockerham, Travis Cole, Sauter, Foggie? Maybe Hohensee was better. Also, Weber will get a look in the NFL and I don't think any Gopher QB ever has played the the league.

So you guys can scream for Gray but Brew and Fisch know what they are doing. Also, Penn St and Ohio St would love the Gophs to bench Weber and play Gray significant minutes at QB.
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STOP...IT.......
 





That was difficult...I was thinking in the modern era-Dungy wasn't as good as Weber.
 

Large said:
The fact is that he may be the best. Who would you take over him...Cupito, Abdul-Khaliq, Cockerham, Travis Cole, Sauter, Foggie? Maybe Hohensee was better. Also, Weber will get a look in the NFL and I don't think any Gopher QB ever has played the the league.

So you guys can scream for Gray but Brew and Fisch know what they are doing. Also, Penn St and Ohio St would love the Gophs to bench Weber and play Gray significant minutes at QB.
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Webber is in the top five for modern day. Could be top three ever if he improves this and next year.

Hohensee was the best modern-age qb by far.

Foggie was second.

Gray could be better than all three.

But...If you think Gray is ready right now to run this team you have no idea what you are talking about. You are not morons. You are not being overly negative. You just have no idea.
 


Let me say it. Cupito was a better QB than Weber is so far in his career. He was better at seeing the field and finding open receivers. He did not throw into double coverage anywhere near as often. He was more accurate with his long passes. And he had better touch than Weber with short passes. I think that pretty much touches all of the bases.

Weber's statistics have been built on two factors: 1) he passes more than any Gopher QB in history; 2) his primary receiver (and the only one he seems to be able to find on a regular basis) is one of the greatest receivers in Gopher history.

We are still waiting for Weber to quarterback the Gophers to a significant win against a quality opponent. Until that happens, the diehard Weber supporters should really keep a lower profile in GopherHole.
 



Weber's job is really quite simple in concept...he has handled the ball on virtually every snap for 25+ games, thus he's very experienced at the process...his job is to get the ball (by whatever means) out of his hands and into the hands of the Gs best playmakers in order to put up as many points as possible.

Until he can do that with consistency and reliability, many loyal GHers will be restlessly skeptical and and calling for Brew to employ other options as necessary to put up as many points as possible.
 

UpnorthGo4 said:
Let me say it. Cupito was a better QB than Weber is so far in his career. He was better at seeing the field and finding open receivers. He did not throw into double coverage anywhere near as often. He was more accurate with his long passes. And he had better touch than Weber with short passes. I think that pretty much touches all of the bases.

Weber's statistics have been built on two factors: 1) he passes more than any Gopher QB in history; 2) his primary receiver (and the only one he seems to be able to find) is one of the greatest receivers in Gopher history.

We are still waiting for Weber to quarterback the Gophers to a significant win against a quality opponent. Until that happens the diehard Weber supporters should really keep a lower profile in GopherHole.
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I'm a "diehard" Weber supporter, and I had Cupito in my QB slot as the all-decade Gopher Team. I have no idea if Weber is just medicore or a product of 3 offensive coordinators, no running game, and our worst o-line that I have seen as a Gopher fan. There is no way to place each quarterback in the same set of variables and watch them perform, so it is all opinions at this point. Either way I do know how Cupito handles himself with a o-line that gives him time, a couple of quality receivers of Payne and Ellerson, and a healthy running game which I would have on my all-decade team :).
 

Adam is a 3rd year starter and team leader. He MUST play better and avoid these stretches of maddening inconsistency where he either takes too long to make decisions, short hops receivers, tries to force the ball, or locks in on Decker in triple coverage.

While he had displayed some nice moxie and leadership moments this year, the development hasn't been what I had hoped. I'm not calling for him to be benched just yet...but he needs to step up and provide a more consistent leadership model for his teammates.

Is that a fair assessment?
 

The difference between Weber & Cupito is Cupito GOT BETTER.......
 

thailleagle said:
The difference between Weber & Cupito is Cupito GOT BETTER.......
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"The difference" implies there is just one. I would suggest using "a difference".

For example, a difference between Cupito and Weber is that Cupito played under the same offense, and reached his peek his senior year.

EDIT: Removed the assumption / exaggeration toward what TE was thinking.
 

monk10 said:
"The difference" implies there is just one. You could say "a difference" that would hide all the other variables you like to hide when comparing the two.

For example, a difference between Cupito and Weber is that Cupito played under the same offense, and reached his peek his senior year.
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Holy Reusse! Cupito was NOT a better quarterback than Weber, he certainly had better teams.
I've never seen a more frail, noodle armed, panic stricken, game manager than Cupito, sorry, just drove me insane watching him, without that run game he was helpless.
He even was quoted as saying that Weber would break every passing record at the U before he was done, and that was BEFORE the coaching change.
 

Ole said:
Holy Reusse! Cupito was NOT a better quarterback than Weber, he certainly had better teams.
I've never seen a more frail, noodle armed, panic stricken, game manager than Cupito, sorry, just drove me insane watching him, without that run game he was helpless.
He even was quoted as saying that Weber would break every passing record at the U before he was done, and that was BEFORE the coaching change.
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I like cupito. I thought he had good ball handling. I thought he was excellent in putting us in running plays to be successful. I think he found ways to get the ball to Spaeth, Payne and Ellerson. I don't think he could rifle a 20 yard out, but I thought he managed the game within the offensive flow. I don't know how he would handle this situation. I am glad we have weber at our helm though, b/c I think we need someone as smart as weber to pick up his third offense and be able to execute it.
 

Seems like most here would like to see this equation functional weekly:

Weber = "POSITIVE CONSISTENCY"
 

NewEngland_Gold said:
Seems like most here would like to see this equation functional weekly:

Weber = "POSITIVE CONSISTENCY"
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Agreed, there have been some big time throws made by Weber this year, they are few and far between, but some have been brilliant, the consistency needs to get better.
I'm a bit of a broken record here, but I'd really like to see the offense simplified a bit, it almost seems like there is a kitchen sink approach to the playcalling, just pick 3-5 plays that you KNOW you can execute and run them in key spots.
 

Large said:
That was difficult...I was thinking in the modern era-Dungy wasn't as good as Weber.
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If Sandy Stephens isn't in the "modern era", then we have historically the worst program in the country. Next time, why don't you use "my lifetime" in your myopic time frames so you don't suddenly slash 75+ years of tradition.
 

MNCH said:
If Sandy Stephens isn't in the "modern era", then we have historically the worst program in the country. Next time, why don't you use "my lifetime" in your myopic time frames so you don't suddenly slash 75+ years of tradition.
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Even though looking at Large's "body of work" might lead you to believe that he was a Badger fan, taking the modern era 15-20 years past 1993 might quiet those concerns.:rolleyes:
 

Cupito better than Weber?

Stop it.
 

josh087 said:
Cupito better than Weber?

Stop it.
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I watch games of both players on tape all the time and I know the following for a fact...

Cupito knew when to throw the ball away.......

Cupito had better vision as a QB.......

Cupito also was more accurate.......

Cupito was not a victim of "happy feet" after his 1st year starting.......

Cupito didn't force passes at the rate Weber does either.......

Cupito was better at distributing the ball around and making players better, Weber not so much.......

I'll give Weber the credit of not being aided by a good OL and Running Game but people fail to see how good Decker really makes Weber look, well...people who didn't watch the games last year when Decker was hurt.......
 

Ouch...I DVR'd that 55-0 depressing Iowa beatdown, but could never bring myself to watch it...deleted it and passed on witnessing the Gs/Weber's/Brew's/GN's travail of unusual, excessive pain and suffering. That said, Weber & Co are tough hombres, resilient and determined. Everyone seems to agree Weber has had flashes of brilliance...he might uncork it for 60-min in Iowa City.
 

The anti-Weber crowd has apparently gotten tired of promoting Gray and now want to promote Cupito. Good heavens, thrall is now poring over tapes of Cupito and Weber and, I'm sure, has come up with the definitive scientific analysis of the two upon which to base his <s>conclusive evidence</s> opinion that Cupito is far better than Weber. ... :p

(It's kinda hard to pore over tapes of Gray <s>since he's never thrown a pass in a game</s> ... oh, never mind, we've been told to "stop it" by thrall.)

One thing we're in agreement with: let's beat Purdue. I'm done with this argument -- at least until after the Purdue game. ... :cool:

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Clearly Weber's mother....

he's inaccurate, hasn't shown improvement, will be completely lost without decker to bail him out. Won't be drafted and will end up in a white collar job somewhere. possibly a 3rd string UFL or CFL player.
 

That was kinda cruel.......

I've heard nothing but great things people say about Adam Weber as a person.......
 

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