Why PJ flack is the correct coach for Minnesota..

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flyingfish said:
you're right Indiana did it so every team in big ten that hasn't made playoff should fire coach to hopefully get cignetti type and a heisman candidate at qb. Hadn't thought of this before but now that you bring it up it's really a great idea
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The truth really rubs you Fleck fan boys the wrong way doesn't it.
 

Some Day...Maybe said:
Minnesota needs some rich ass alumni, or someone with connections to the area to step up and donate some serious money. If not now, when? Never is the answer.
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We do have wealthy alumni and some wealthy former athletes. We have fortune 500 companies at our doorstep. I am not sure why they are not donating but there are some lazy reasons in this forum lol.
 

BronkosGhost said:
I don't expect the Gophers to be consistently great but do i expect them to be more competitive year in and year out. Its easy to cherry pick games and statistics to bolster an argument while ignoring the reality. While I expected to lose to Ohio St. and Oregon I wasn't prepared to be outclassed in that manner. Those games highlighted the huge gap in talent and coaching the Gophers face with those teams. It puts an expectation of making a CFP out of reach at this point which it unexceptable in my opinion.
You conveniently omitted Flecks record versus Iowa which is more of a rival than Nebraska is. This years lose to them was embarrassing especially when you consider the talent gap between Minnesota and Iowa is considerably closer if not on an even level. That game was essentially over in the 1st quarter with Fleck and his team looking completely unprepared.
Im sorry but beating the F%$ out of the Badgers isn't enough in my book.
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Who do you think would come here and be a better coach? Do you think James Franklin, Brian Kelly would do better than PJ? I don't think they would be.

We are winning games in a rebuilding year. Until we get some serious money from a cubes like figure we should not really be comparing to Indiana and there will be up and down years.

I suspect this is Jerry Kill posting as there are never any good recommendations or points just complaints of how bad things feel.
 



No one expected to be outclassed by tOSU and Oregon yet everyone counted them as losses before the season began. Pretty sure that would support everyone thought we were outclassed.

Yesterday there was a 6-5 team against a 4-7 team. Game played in freezing temperatures and snow on a holiday weekend. Place still nearly sold out. That is 100% on Fleck and his relationship with players, students and season ticket holders.


Next year
Mississippi state
Iowa
Michigan
Northwestern
UCLA
Akron
Eastern Illinois

All come trying to break the streak.
 


Gopherchase said:
Dumb.
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Barry Alvarez’ 1994 big ten title the badgers didn’t beat either team in the top 3 with them.
That can’t happen with divisions.

2000 northwestern big ten champ had one win against the other 3 in the top 4 with them.

So much easier to win pre Nebraska addition.
Perhaps easier to win 8-9 games after but that’s kind of year to year.

People act like once it was east-west you missed people all the time and before east-west you never missed people. But neither of those things is true.

The easiest era of big ten football was when it was 11 teams. It got even easier when it expanded to 12 games.
You make a bowl for going 2-6 in a conference and could miss 2 of the top 3 in the league. (See 2003 gophers who could’ve won the league beating one team in the top 5 of the league had they finished the Michigan game but still lost to Michigan state and iowa)
 
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Some guy said:
Barry Alvarez’ 1994 big ten title the badgers didn’t beat either team in the top 3 with them.
That can’t happen with divisions.

2000 northwestern big ten champ had one win against the other 3 in the top 4 with them.

So much easier to win pre Nebraska addition.
Perhaps easier to win 8-9 games after but that’s kind of year to year.

People act like once it was east-west you missed people all the time and before east-west you never missed people. But neither of those things is true.

The easiest era of big ten football was when it was 11 teams. It got even easier when it expanded to 12 games.
You make a bowl for going 2-6 in a conference and could miss 2 of the top 3 in the league. (See 2003 gophers who could’ve won the league beating one team in the top 5 of the league had they finished the Michigan game but still lost to Michigan state and iowa)
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Plus in Masons two best seasons he avoided Michigan and Michigan State in 99 and avoided Purdue and Ohio State in 03. The bowl game in 03 was his best win
 


The Deliberate Stranger said:
Look at Ohio State at the end of John Cooper, the 99 team we lost to didn't even make a bowl game. Pac 10, SEC and the big 12 were better leagues back then. Mason still couldn't take advantage
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If we lined up Mason’s teams from years 1-9 and matched up against Fleck’s teams year 1-9 (year 1 v year 1 then year 2 v year 2, etc) and they played each other if I put $100 on Mason’s squads every year would end up with enough cash for a really nice Manny’s dinner for two.
 

Gopherchase said:
If we lined up Mason’s teams from years 1-9 and matched up against Fleck’s teams year 1-9 (year 1 v year 1 then year 2 v year 2, etc) and they played each other if I put $100 on Mason’s squads every year would end up with enough cash for a really nice Manny’s dinner for two.
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Murray's and Mancini's are far superior to Manny's. And no outside of maybe year seven, when Mason avoided Ohio State and Purdue, Flecks teams would rape Masons teams without the lubrication
 



Gopherchase said:
If we lined up Mason’s teams from years 1-9 and matched up against Fleck’s teams year 1-9 (year 1 v year 1 then year 2 v year 2, etc) and they played each other if I put $100 on Mason’s squads every year would end up with enough cash for a really nice Manny’s dinner for two.
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Year 1 vs year 1
I take fleck
Year 2 vs year 2
I take fleck
Year 3 vs year 3 (good matchup, both their best teams were year 3)
I take fleck
Year 4 vs year 4
I take Mason
Year 5 vs year 5
I take fleck
Year 6 vs year 6
I take fleck
Year 7 vs year 7
I take Mason
Year 8 vs year 8
This is close. End of the season version of the teams I take fleck. Middle of the year team I take Mason. Gonna say Mason.
Year 9 vs year 9
Mason team clearly better but had a knack for underachieving. Probably masons 3rd most talented team and went 4-4. Didn’t have maroney for Iowa. I lean Mason but wouldn’t be surprised if they blew the game.


I would say for me:
Fleck 5
Mason 4

The three toughest choices for me (3, 8, 9) went 2-1 Mason


Year 10, if it isn’t fleck. I think they’ll suffer similar ends.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
No one expected to be outclassed by tOSU and Oregon yet everyone counted them as losses before the season began. Pretty sure that would support everyone thought we were outclassed.

Yesterday there was a 6-5 team against a 4-7 team. Game played in freezing temperatures and snow on a holiday weekend. Place still nearly sold out. That is 100% on Fleck and his relationship with players, students and season ticket holders.


Next year
Mississippi state
Iowa
Michigan
Northwestern
UCLA
Akron
Eastern Illinois

All come trying to break the streak.
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Looks like 7-0!
 



Some guy said:
Year 1 vs year 1
I take fleck
Year 2 vs year 2
I take fleck
Year 3 vs year 3 (good matchup, both their best teams were year 3)
I take fleck
Year 4 vs year 4
I take Mason
Year 5 vs year 5
I take fleck
Year 6 vs year 6
I take fleck
Year 7 vs year 7
I take Mason
Year 8 vs year 8
This is close. End of the season version of the teams I take fleck. Middle of the year team I take Mason. Gonna say Mason.
Year 9 vs year 9
Mason team clearly better but had a knack for underachieving. Probably masons 3rd most talented team and went 4-4. Didn’t have maroney for Iowa. I lean Mason but wouldn’t be surprised if they blew the game.


I would say for me:
Fleck 5
Mason 4

The three toughest choices for me (3, 8, 9) went 2-1 Mason


Year 10, if it isn’t fleck. I think they’ll suffer similar ends.
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Masons 04 and 05 teams folded like a cheap suit in November, he probably survives the 06 season if he had gotten the job done when he had all time talent at runningback oline and TE. Even his year four team had epic collapses to NW, NC State and to lesser extent at Wisconsin. He also managed to lose to Ohio and a terrible Indiana team Fleck in year four somehow beat Purdue and Nebraska down 35 players and didn't get an off season or a training camp that year
 

Some guy said:
Year 1 vs year 1
I take fleck
Year 2 vs year 2
I take fleck
Year 3 vs year 3 (good matchup, both their best teams were year 3)
I take fleck
Year 4 vs year 4
I take Mason
Year 5 vs year 5
I take fleck
Year 6 vs year 6
I take fleck
Year 7 vs year 7
I take Mason
Year 8 vs year 8
This is close. End of the season version of the teams I take fleck. Middle of the year team I take Mason. Gonna say Mason.
Year 9 vs year 9
Mason team clearly better but had a knack for underachieving. Probably masons 3rd most talented team and went 4-4. Didn’t have maroney for Iowa. I lean Mason but wouldn’t be surprised if they blew the game.


I would say for me:
Fleck 5
Mason 4

The three toughest choices for me (3, 8, 9) went 2-1 Mason


Year 10, if it isn’t fleck. I think they’ll suffer similar ends.
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Well thought out. I think Mason’s offenses generally blow the doors off and PJ doesn’t have the will and/or skill set to keep up. I’d give PJ years 1 and 2 and 3 is a toss up then would be hard pressed to find him a win after that.
 



Gopherchase said:
Well thought out. I think Mason’s offenses generally blow the doors off and PJ doesn’t have the will and/or skill set to keep up. I’d give PJ years 1 and 2 and 3 is a toss up then would be hard pressed to find him a win after that.
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You don’t think the 2021 gophers who went 9-4 and by all accounts blew winning more than that would beat the 4-7 2001
Gophers?

I know you just want to be pissed off or something but year 5 fleck > Mason is probably the most non debatable of all the 9 years
 


Some guy said:
You don’t think the 2021 gophers who went 9-4 and by all accounts blew winning more than that would beat the 4-7 2001
Gophers?

I know you just want to be pissed off or something but year 5 fleck > Mason is probably the most non debatable of all the 9 years
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Nope. And I’m only unhappy when the squad plays poorly and the coaching sucks. We had that 7-8 times this year and it’s been a post Mo pattern. Never had a coach been as well served by a player covered up a lot of deficiencies. I do flip back and forth from chuckling to irritation at the I’m the smartest guy in the room schmarmy little shits like you.
 

Gopherchase said:
Well thought out. I think Mason’s offenses generally blow the doors off and PJ doesn’t have the will and/or skill set to keep up. I’d give PJ years 1 and 2 and 3 is a toss up then would be hard pressed to find him a win after that.
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Three is not a toss up, the 2019 team would absolutely destroy the 99 team. You name all the best players in 99 and the 19 team had a better player at that spot. JMS was better than Hamilton, Winfield better than Carter, Smith and Mo were better than Hammner, Tyler was the better Johnson. The Penn State team they beat was better, ain't no toss up about it
 

Gopherchase said:
Nope. And I’m only unhappy when the squad plays poorly and the coaching sucks. We had that 7-8 times this year and it’s been a post Mo pattern. Never had a coach been as well served by a player covered up a lot of deficiencies. I do flip back and forth from chuckling to irritation at the I’m the smartest guy in the room schmarmy little shits like you.
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So you have no argument as to why 4-7 2001 is better than 9-4 2021?
Because there isn’t one.
Correct
 

Gopherchase said:
Nope. And I’m only unhappy when the squad plays poorly and the coaching sucks. We had that 7-8 times this year and it’s been a post Mo pattern. Never had a coach been as well served by a player covered up a lot of deficiencies. I do flip back and forth from chuckling to irritation at the I’m the smartest guy in the room schmarmy little shits like you.
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You're officially retarded if you think the 2001 team with a defense that let Purdue drive from the one and into FG range in under ten seconds would beat anyone, let alone a team with six big ten wins who's e fourth string running back is now in the NFL. RETARDED!!!!!!!!
 

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