Why Minnesota has not been a Football Success?

Why Minnesota has not been a football success

Reasons I've read on this site:

10) Too many woodwinds in the band
9) Minnesota Vikings (damn them!)
8) U of M students are lame / don't show up
7) KFAN / Danny B.
6) Reusse and Souhan
5) Dave Lee
4) Glen Mason
3) Art Vandelay
2) Too many old fans still alive and not standing on 3rd down
1) Not enough fans wearing gold/yellow


I am flattered that someone actually thinks one single person's schtick on a meaningless forum can bring down a college football program. Maybe I'll head over to the Packer or Yankees forum and see what damage I can inflict :cool02:
 

Any team with a super bowl over that time frame has had more success. In the pros, at least to me, its all or nothing.
 

Any team with a super bowl over that time frame has had more success. In the pros, at least to me, its all or nothing.

And that's why the general masses in Minnesota will only care if the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl. They think very differently about the program than we do on this board.
 

And that's why the general masses in Minnesota will only care if the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl. They think very differently about the program than we do on this board.

Absolutely. I don't think the Vikings are the problem per se, I think that we have too many 'pro fans' and that is the problem. Chicken or egg I suppose.
 

The Vikings have had an impact on attendance and revenue. But that's not the real problem. The Vikings didn't make our hiring decisions. The Vikings didn't fire Cal Stoll after posting a 4-4 record in the Big Ten for his last three seasons. The Vikings didn't hire Joe Salem, and the Vikings didn't retain him after the disastrous 1982 season, which was a harbinger of the total disaster in 1983. The Vikings didn't hire Jim Wacker.

That's good news.

Really, it is. The problem does not lie with some external entity which the U can do nothing about, but is internal, where the U can do something about it. The U can make better choices. Hire based on defense.
 


The Vikings have more playoff appearances than all three of them. For 40 years, the Vikings have been quite consistent in their competitiveness. Since 1966, the Vikings have the second most playoff appearances in all the NFL.

Thanks for the info Max. Any Minnesotan that wasn't born after 1970 knows that the Vikings are one of the most successful NFL franchises in the last 40 years even though they have not won a Super Bowl. I don't think that there is another Division I football team in the country that has had to compete with that kind of success over that period of time. To compare LSU and Saints with the Gophers and Vikings makes no sense at all.
 

And that's why the general masses in Minnesota will only care if the Gophers go to the Rose Bowl. They think very differently about the program than we do on this board.

Facepalm, that's the type of comment a fan of an underground indie rock band would make and smacks of elitism. The common fan is going to support this team if the Gophers become a consistent top 4 finisher in the Big Ten. Most people have their Saturdays free and will support this team if it begins winning consistently.
 

Absolutely. I don't think the Vikings are the problem per se, I think that we have too many 'pro fans' and that is the problem. Chicken or egg I suppose.

Nothing is THE problem. There is not just one "supercure" that if we change just the one thing, it will turn everything around.
 




Facepalm, that's the type of comment a fan of an underground indie rock band would make and smacks of elitism. The common fan is going to support this team if the Gophers become a consistent top 4 finisher in the Big Ten. Most people have their Saturdays free and will support this team if it begins winning consistently.

Unfortunately this is not true.
 

Repeat, rinse, repeat, repeat, blurt, blurt, blurt

I always thought it was when we stopped selling popcorn to support the band. That's when things started really going down hill. That, and they let old Memorial stand empty for years as a poke in the eye to the football tradition.
 

I always thought it was when we stopped selling popcorn to support the band. That's when things started really going down hill. That, and they let old Memorial stand empty for years as a poke in the eye to the football tradition.

I wish that Memorial Stadium could have been left standing longer. What if it had lasted until there began to be serious talk of a new Gophers stadium. Then people who opposed the stadium could have just said "Why not just fix up Memorial Stadium?" Don't get me wrong, I love TCF Bank Stadium. I'd trade it for a rennovated Memorial Stadium if I could.

The Metrodome had a short-lived recruiting appeal, because some athletes wanted to "Play where the pros" play. It didn't take long at all for the dome to be "Where the pros didn't want to play". I suspect that the recruiting appeal of the dome was overrated.
 

Connect the dots, howeday. There is no other DI program in the country that has a comparable situation that the Gopher's have with the Vikings. Since 1968 the Vikings have been one of the two or three most successful NFL teams. With very few exceptions the Purple has been an extremely competive team for that entire period of time. Since the mid 1970's the Gophers have been pretty much irrelvant to most people in Minnesota. Even though the majority of Minnesotans want the Gophers to do well it means almost nothing to them if they don't. That is because whatever happens to the Gophers on Saturday they have the Vikes game on Sunday to look forward to. The negative impact of the Vikings on the Gopher football program cannot be overstated.

There is a degree of truth to this, but you are greatly exagerating the degree to which it exists and even moreso the direct impact it has on winning football games. Further, the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube.

The Gophers are not 'irrelevant' to most people in MN. If they are, how will the Vikings leaving help that? It's 2010, droves of people are not suddenly going to become huge Gopher fans just because the Vikings move. They'll either find a different NFL team to root for on Sunday or do something else with thier Sunday afternoon. Save a chance preseason game, the Vikings and Gophers do not play at the same time.

Does having a Vikings game Sunday lessen how much time the average Gopher fan spends grousing over that weeks loss versus say an Iowa fan? Sure. But how does that change the fact that they lost? How does it effect what actually happens on the field? We are 'selling out' TCF now, so it doesn't even impact the attendence in a meaningful way anymore, if it ever did.

Will the Vikings moving make recruits more likely to commit to the U? Not in the short-term. 20 years from now? Maybe, but it's impossible to know for sure or to what degree. Will it suddenly cause Vikings ticket-holders to decide to take the money they would have spent on Vikings tickets and donate to the U football program? Will it even substantially impact how much media coverage they get? Do you think the Star Tribune will just reassign Judd and Chip to the Gophers beat and have 3 guys covering it, filling the Trib with Gopher stories like they did in the glory days you're pining for? Heck no. They'd simply lay them off and apply the savings to thier ever-shrinking bottom-line. Will it lead to more Gopher coverage on sports radio? Maybe. But without the Vikings, I'd wager one of the two sports stations would quickly cease to exist. How much would that net gain really be and how it would help them win games?

If any Gopher teams have a right to complain about pro competition, it's hockey and men's basketball who fight for the same ticket-base as the T-Wolves/Wild far more then Gopher football does the Vikings and who worse yet often play home games at the same time. But I don't hear any crying about wanting the Wild to move away.

And even if all of this is true, and the Vikings are the root of the Gophers struggles, if forcing the Vikings to move away is the only way to make Gopher football better, then screw it. I would much rather have the Vikings then a marginally more successful Gopher football program, and so would a vast majority of Minnesota sports fans. Those of you think otherwise are beyond a tiny minority.
 



If the gophers are consistently in the top 5 in the conference they fan base will consistently improve and TCF bank will remain full. If they can secure a trip to the Rose Bowl the fan base will explore on a temporary basis and consistent top 5 finishes will solidify that base.
 

The Vikings have more playoff appearances than all three of them. For 40 years, the Vikings have been quite consistent in their competitiveness. Since 1966, the Vikings have the second most playoff appearances in all the NFL.

That and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee at Dunkin' Donuts.

Any Minnesotan that wasn't born after 1970 knows that the Vikings are one of the most successful NFL franchises in the last 40 years even though they have not won a Super Bowl.

Softening your stance already, I see. I'm not a Minnesotan, but I was born after 1970, and I could've told you that. That's not what you said, though.

I don't think that there is another Division I football team in the country that has had to compete with that kind of success over that period of time.

Oh my god - seriously? Now you're just being obstinate.

Unless you're trying to argue that Colorado doesn't "compete" with the Broncos. Or that Pitt doesn't "compete" with the Steelers. Or that Miami doesn't "compete" with the Dolphins. Or that Cal/Stanford don't "compete" with the 49ers. I'd really love to hear those arguments.
 




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