Why I support Brewster

[Schnoodler]

Someone once labeled Weber as having David Carr syndrome. I'm in that camp. He played shell shocked all year, never recovered. The terrible line play of the beginning of the year destroyed his psyche, never recovered after the line improved. Played to survive, rather than conquer. I don't think we know what he is capable of. We do know he wasn't very good this year for whatever reason.

 

[Doogie]

tell you what you can have USC's defense from last year and I'll take the 2001 Miami Hurricanes that consisted of Antrel Rolle, Mike Rumph, DJ Williams, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Phillip Buchanon, John Vilma, Jamal Green, Vince Wilfork, William Joseph, and Jerome McDougle. I'll like my odds even though I can't coach a lick haha.

Also are you stating that Griffen isn't a good player because he didn't start last year as Sophomore? I never stated that USC's defense wasn't talented last year I was just saying that they still have plenty of talent and I think that Griffen going to the pro's early help's support my opinion as I think there are a few players currently on the USC roster that will eventually play at the next level. Again that's just my opinion thanks.

I would take that Miami defense also, but it's close. Playing at the next level is one of many, many factors, and not super high, when making a total evaluation of a team's defense.
Not saying that at all about Griffen, but I felt it was noteworthy to point out that he wasn't a full-time starter until this year. He started a few games his freshman year, but apparently wasn't worthy last year. Just proves how good that defense was last year.

 

[gopher pops]

bottom line

gopher pops -- Baltimore is 2nd in the NFL in points given up per game (16.5) and is top-seven defending the pass and run. They thought they would have Rolle in August, but never got him, and Ngata has played hurt this year. I would say they compensated quite well for losing Ryan. By the way, Bart Scott was a much bigger loss.

As for USC, last year's seniors: Maualuga, Matthews, Cushing, Moala, Moore, Ellison and Harris -- was a once in 20 years group. They were the heart and soul of the No. 2-ranked defense in all of college football last season. The Trojans allowed only 221 yards per game and gave up an NCAA-low 14 touchdowns in 13 games. Southern California finished first in the nation in scoring and pass defense and fifth in run defense.
They dropped off considerably, but that had a lot more to do with the talent drop-off, not the change in coaches, even at USC.

i started to write something ugly but i deleted it so let me give you some advise from here on out don't go bear hunting with a squirrel gun it just ticks off the bear

 

[fridge2012]

Leach in trouble at TT.....he is a coach i would bounce Brew for.

It did take him 6 years to get them to a better than mediocre bowl game. Perhaps after 5-6 years we will be in better bowl games too. Any coach needs time, and it's much too early to be talking about bouncing Brew

 

[bankonit]

You can pin Weber going from 2nd team all big ten to one of the worst qbs in the country (statistically) on Brew. And if you retort with that's Fisch, that just proves it's 100 percent on Brew since the TE coach hired a WR coach to run the offense.

How do you pin Weber's suckiness on Brewster?

 

[lakesgopher]

Team emotion?

2009 Illinois: Not showing up to play against a two-win team while you're playing for the biggest bowl in 40 plus years.

2009 SDSU: Brew guaranteed the team would play better following the Illinois game. They looked thoroughly bored.

2008 Iowa: Enough said.

2008 Michigan: Playing the worst Wolverine team in history? Chance to redeem yourselves from the Northwestern game. Improve to 8-2? Nope, looked uninterested.

i think the defense played pretty damn good in 2 of those 3 games! keep feeding the brewster hate, your not a fan! you just have an agenda towards brew that keeps you from seeing the big picture!

 

[Doogie]

gopher pops -- Baltimore is 2nd in the NFL in points given up per game (16.5) and is top-seven defending the pass and run. They thought they would have Rolle in August, but never got him, and Ngata has played hurt this year. I would say they compensated quite well for losing Ryan. By the way, Bart Scott was a much bigger loss.

As for USC, last year's seniors: Maualuga, Matthews, Cushing, Moala, Moore, Ellison and Harris -- was a once in 20 years group. They were the heart and soul of the No. 2-ranked defense in all of college football last season. The Trojans allowed only 221 yards per game and gave up an NCAA-low 14 touchdowns in 13 games. Southern California finished first in the nation in scoring and pass defense and fifth in run defense.
They dropped off considerably, but that had a lot more to do with the talent drop-off, not the change in coaches, even at USC.

i started to write something ugly but i deleted it so let me give you some advise from here on out don't go bear hunting with a squirrel gun it just ticks off the bear

advise?

 

[epgopher]

I believe Gopher Pops point is that assistant coaches are often key components of a successful team/program. Anyone can come up with anecdotal evidence to support or refute their position. That, however, does not change or refute the premise that success is as much a function of the quality of the assistants as it is the quality of the HC. This is especially true at the D1 level, as the assistants quite often are key to the recruiting process. JMO, I absolutely agree with the premise that loss of key assistants is detrimental to a program.

 

[gopher pops]

to Doogie

advise?

Its called a type o i have read a few of your post where you have made a mistake or two i was always taught those who live in glass houses ought not throw stones
it is painfully obvious what you are trying to do
i am not going to fall for it... get in a war of words with a member of the press so you can have an opportunity to use it as an excuse to write something horrendous about my child its not going to happen as a matter of fact consider this my last post

 

[Saskatchewan Gopher]

gopher pops

I sure hope this isn't your last post, I thoroughly enjoy your insights into the program and past football experience that you bring to this board.

 

[gopher pops]

and honest assesment but thank you

gopher pops

I sure hope this isn't your last post, I thoroughly enjoy your insights into the program and past football experience that you bring to this board.

First and foremost i apreciate and enjoy communicating with the gopher natiion
If my son knew i was on this board he would have a fit.
I am a supporter of coach Brewster i have posted before when he sat in my living room he did not make false promises or sale me a bunch of bs other coaches attempted to do and so far he has kept his word to us and i have a relationship with many parents on the team and the majority i talk to feel the same way... as a parent it is important to know the kind of person you are turning your child over to for the next 5 years of his life.

Nobody is perfect and people make mistakes and when you are in a high profile position criticism comes along with the territory....

i don't have a problem with the criticism of coach Brewster some of it may even be warranted, but when people on this board post non sence and pass it off as fact is where i draw the line no matter who it is about.
my back round is that i have played the game of football very sucessfully on every level and i have coached in some top high school programs so i have a very low tolerance for opinions based on bs so i have a tendency to call people on it
my situation is this in my opinion doogie and his cohorts go after anybody who does not agree with them and call them on their on their mess.
if i could trust that doogie would word it out with me man to man then i would not have a problem but i believe he will eventually try to bring my son into it
as a parent i don't want to do anything to cause him not to be able to enjoy the time he has in the great state of Minnesota he is having the time of his life and i don't want to be the cause of anything that would cause him other wise

 

[MNCH]

So if you want to talk coaching job
Brewster offensive c.o gone
Defensive c.o gone
and he held par returns to the college play offs which is the bowl season
just throwing it out there

Pops,

Your point is valid but Brewster is the reason his O.C. is gone. He dumped Dunbar and replaced him with Fisch. If I am reading it correctly, your point is that coaching stability is a big reason for success; but that then means Brewster is responsible for the instability on offense.

 

[lakesgopher]

Pops,

Your point is valid but Brewster is the reason his O.C. is gone. He dumped Dunbar and replaced him with Fisch. If I am reading it correctly, your point is that coaching stability is a big reason for success; but that then means Brewster is responsible for the instability on offense.

could it be possible that dunbar and brew didnt work well together? maybe dunbar was pushing to be the head guy who listened to no one and forced brew in letting him go? being a coordinator at major colleges is always a crap shoot because just like the athletes-there are a lot of egos in the coaching ranks. some guys mesh some dont, some guys are only looking to be someplace for a year or two and then they leave. yes brew needs to have some stability in the coaching staff-hopefully he finds a group that want to stick it out for 4-5 years before they look to take the jump to a bigger and better position.

we can hear-say all we want but virtually none of us know the coaches realtionships with one another so placing blame on brewster because someone has a theory of what happened is pretty ridiculous in my opinion!

 

[GopherGod]

could it be possible that dunbar and brew didnt work well together? maybe dunbar was pushing to be the head guy who listened to no one and forced brew in letting him go? being a coordinator at major colleges is always a crap shoot because just like the athletes-there are a lot of egos in the coaching ranks. some guys mesh some dont, some guys are only looking to be someplace for a year or two and then they leave. yes brew needs to have some stability in the coaching staff-hopefully he finds a group that want to stick it out for 4-5 years before they look to take the jump to a bigger and better position.

we can hear-say all we want but virtually none of us know the coaches realtionships with one another so placing blame on brewster because someone has a theory of what happened is pretty ridiculous in my opinion!

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you proposing a theory yourself? But lets say your theory is correct, Brewster would still need to take blame for not doing his proper due diligence in evaluating Dunbar and his traits/working relationships. After all Dunbar has worked with numerous other coaches ans staffs prior to coming here. If Brewster made a bad hire it all falls on him as he had the final say on whom to hire or not.

 

[howeda7]

I support Brewster because it's clear he'll be the coach in 2010 whether I like it or not. Therefore, I'll support him until at least November 1, 2010. By then it should be clear whether he should continue into 2011 or not.

 

[RaT]

Is there any chance that maybe he was wrong with what philosophy would work in the Big Ten?

Is there any chance that he recognized this wrong philosophy and wanted to correct it immediately?

My god some people on here take things way too seriously. Give the man some time. He is building a bigger program than the one he inherited. Patience people.

 

[Ole]

Is there any chance that maybe he was wrong with what philosophy would work in the Big Ten?

Is there any chance that he recognized this wrong philosophy and wanted to correct it immediately?

My god some people on here take things way too seriously. Give the man some time. He is building a bigger program than the one he inherited. Patience people.

The deal with Dunbar is simple, we couldn't run the ball once Big Ten season came around.
Anyone remember the outrage and disdain when we would line up in shotgun on 3rd and inches and run an off tackle sweep for a loss?
Other Big Ten spread teams have specific packages for running in short yardage. Dunbar refused to change his scheme in a similar way, he's a spread purist.
Anyone curious why Eric Small changed his number to 98? There was goal line package utilizing him at fullback, but it was only called like once or twice ALL year, even when we had trouble running in short yardage situations ALL year.
I think Brewster did what he could with a short hiring period in 07, he saw a solid and experienced O coordinator and not much else out there. His first choice was Kyle Shannahan, now the Houston Texans O coordinator.
He probably hired Dunbar with the assumption he could have the same balance as Dunbar did at NW, when it was obvious there simply wasn't balance he wanted to make changes and Dunbar refused. Spread purist.

Fisch has disappointed so far, but we have laid a foundation that hopefully can help build a balanced attack. Very similar to Brewster's vision for the program, laying groundwork recruiting, developing, and building up extremely talented players slowly.
The impatience is astounding.

 

[littlebigboy]

Fisch and Brewster are still learning. Brew, is getting a feel for what he wants, and is now finding coaches that fit. Fisch has been used to working with pros, and this has been an adjustment. If he is able to adjust I think he will be great,if not he will fail. This winter will be big for Fisch and Davis both. I still feel that as frustrated as I was many times this fall, I still think they are building the program the right way. And for all the nominds that think that his recruits should be setting the world on fire, you cannot compete in top flight football with Fr, and Sophs. Occasionally there will be a few on some teams and they say look there. But on a whole, big time FB is played with 4th and 5th yr. kids.

 

[MNCH]

The deal with Dunbar is simple, we couldn't run the ball once Big Ten season came around.
Anyone remember the outrage and disdain when we would line up in shotgun on 3rd and inches and run an off tackle sweep for a loss?
Other Big Ten spread teams have specific packages for running in short yardage. Dunbar refused to change his scheme in a similar way, he's a spread purist.
Anyone curious why Eric Small changed his number to 98? There was goal line package utilizing him at fullback, but it was only called like once or twice ALL year, even when we had trouble running in short yardage situations ALL year.
I think Brewster did what he could with a short hiring period in 07, he saw a solid and experienced O coordinator and not much else out there. His first choice was Kyle Shannahan, now the Houston Texans O coordinator.
He probably hired Dunbar with the assumption he could have the same balance as Dunbar did at NW, when it was obvious there simply wasn't balance he wanted to make changes and Dunbar refused. Spread purist.

Fisch has disappointed so far, but we have laid a foundation that hopefully can help build a balanced attack. Very similar to Brewster's vision for the program, laying groundwork recruiting, developing, and building up extremely talented players slowly.
The impatience is astounding.

That vision also included a spread offense and he sold the public and more importantly, he sold recruits on the spread philosophy. What about all the recruits who committed to the program to play in that specific offense?

 

[WAGopher]

That vision also included a spread offense and he sold the public and more importantly, he sold recruits on the spread philosophy. What about all the recruits who committed to the program to play in that specific offense?

That is a valid observation. What I like about Brewster is that he recognized that a pure spread doesn't work in the Big 10 and quickly made a change. He still incorporates the spread into the game plan so there are opportunities for those players recruited for it.

 

[Ole]

That vision also included a spread offense and he sold the public and more importantly, he sold recruits on the spread philosophy. What about all the recruits who committed to the program to play in that specific offense?

He sold what he had. Guess what our head coach at the University of Minnesota is a salesman for our football program and he's pretty animated about it, he'll sell any part of this program for recruiting or national attention.
The spread was in vogue more than ever in 07.
Dennis Dixon led the Oregon Ducks on a huge run in 06 and 07 utilizing the spread, their team this year was built from recruits that were excited about playing in that spread, Florida and Texas were winning big using the spread. Now it's everywhere, it's more common than anything else it seems.
Had he gotten Kyle Shannahan he would have sold the NFL development angle like he is now.

The recruits that were brought in to run the spread are still running the spread, it's just got balance and flexibility now with pro sets and short yardage sets mixed in. Watch the games we probably run 20-30% spread sets.

 

[Doogie]

First and foremost i apreciate and enjoy communicating with the gopher natiion
If my son knew i was on this board he would have a fit.
I am a supporter of coach Brewster i have posted before when he sat in my living room he did not make false promises or sale me a bunch of bs other coaches attempted to do and so far he has kept his word to us and i have a relationship with many parents on the team and the majority i talk to feel the same way... as a parent it is important to know the kind of person you are turning your child over to for the next 5 years of his life.

Nobody is perfect and people make mistakes and when you are in a high profile position criticism comes along with the territory....

i don't have a problem with the criticism of coach Brewster some of it may even be warranted, but when people on this board post non sence and pass it off as fact is where i draw the line no matter who it is about.
my back round is that i have played the game of football very sucessfully on every level and i have coached in some top high school programs so i have a very low tolerance for opinions based on bs so i have a tendency to call people on it
my situation is this in my opinion doogie and his cohorts go after anybody who does not agree with them and call them on their on their mess.
if i could trust that doogie would word it out with me man to man then i would not have a problem but i believe he will eventually try to bring my son into it
as a parent i don't want to do anything to cause him not to be able to enjoy the time he has in the great state of Minnesota he is having the time of his life and i don't want to be the cause of anything that would cause him other wise

I actually don't fully know who your son is (Wills maybe?) ... we can definitely "word it out." Please respond to the private message I sent you and we can chat whenever you would like.

 

[gopher pops]

coordinators

Pops,

Your point is valid but Brewster is the reason his O.C. is gone. He dumped Dunbar and replaced him with Fisch. If I am reading it correctly, your point is that coaching stability is a big reason for success; but that then means Brewster is responsible for the instability on offense.

The point is this if your head coach is on the lower end of the pay scale so is his assistants

Roof last year made a lateral move after having some success not because he could not get along with the head coach but because he was able to parley his time at Minnesota into a bigger paycheck at a higher profiled program that he hopes to parley into a head coaching job with a bigger pay check....

Coordinators at high profile jobs don't leave and go be coordinators at other schools they leave to go to the league or they leave for head coaching jobs

With that said a change in philosophy is the reason for the offensive woes it was clear in spring football that the offense was going to have growing pains.

What gets me is all of the experts picked Minnesota at the beginning of the year to have a better team but a worse record... and the reason they gave is because new coordinators on both sides of the ball.....
yet the gophers held par went back to the insight bowl when they were not even picked to be bowl eligible they were only picked to win 5 games but have a chance to win 7
It seems to me that Brewster has done a better coaching job than shohan and russe and doogie and many on this board are willing to give him credit for

 

[Schnoodler]

people are forgettful pops. Our results were right in line with what most sites said or better. it's only here in Minnesota somehow we failed to live up to expectations. Who's and based on what I don't know, but surely not the opinions of the experts around the country.

Once upon a time I found a site that had all the pre season predictions lined up. And we exceeded or met all of them. It's frustrating to hear the crap knowing there is little basis. I wish I could find that link now.

 

[gopher pops]

people are forgettful pops. Our results were right in line with what most sites said or better. it's only here in Minnesota somehow we failed to live up to expectations. Who's and based on what I don't know, but surely not the opinions of the experts around the country.

Once upon a time I found a site that had all the pre season predictions lined up. And we exceeded or met all of them. It's frustrating to hear the crap knowing there is little basis. I wish I could find that link now.

People can post crap all they want about lack of game day coaching and these so called sports gurus are a buch of frauds in an earlier post i made reference to the fact that most coaches get until their first recruiting classes become seniors especially in a program that is per sieved to be down
except for in cases like craigthorpe @ Louisville who took a Ferrari and turned it into a g m c gremlin with braum at q b harry carson ureidia and company returning from an orange bowl victory

that week my post ended up in the strib by a sports writer word for word ... coincidence i think not...

now with that said if you take a good look at the season the reason we faded against California who we out played and iowa and wisconsin was not coaching it was not talent it was lack of depth pure and simple it was their number of talented athletes versus our number that was ready to play.. it was manning a fresh body over one of our tired bodies..

when you rotate three and four players in and out and all you have in your arsenal ready is one it makes for a long afternoon and gives the opponent a decisive advantage...
Starting thursday because of recruiting and player development i believe you will get a glimpse of what is to come.....
of course the strib and their corhorts will claim that isu was a weak team and it was an empty victory

 

[MNCH]

Coordinators at high profile jobs don't leave and go be coordinators at other schools they leave to go to the league or they leave for head coaching jobs

That's a great point!

 

[Saskatchewan Gopher]

I actually don't fully know who your son is (Wills maybe?) ... we can definitely "word it out." Please respond to the private message I sent you and we can chat whenever you would like.

I'd be very careful with this one pops. JMHO.

Go Gophers!
SK Gopher