Who had the most disappointing season in the Big Ten

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I'm watching Izzo scream at Summers and his guys as they call a timeout about to lose to Michigan. The Gophers season has been a bust, we also lost our best two options at point guard... State was a preseason top team they have to be really disappointed.

I get sick of this he's only a freshman let him develop stuff. Yes it's true for many players, but I really hope Andre Hollins is a freshman stud like Hardaway Jr.
 

Minnesota and it is not close. To finish 9th in the conference is completely unacceptable. MSU will likely still be in the tournament despite their issues.
 

EG#9 said:
Minnesota and it is not close. To finish 9th in the conference is completely unacceptable. MSU will likely still be in the tournament despite their issues.
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You are right. MSU recovered from it's fall. The Gophers continued to fall. Bad year all around. Hard to believe that Michigan will probably be in the tournament and we won't have a sniff.
 

I agree we are the most diappointing, and I think we have had the biggest losses. You can't lose all of your credible point guards and be a respectable Big Ten team. Just proves that giving scholarships to practice players has its risks.
 

EG#9 said:
Minnesota and it is not close. To finish 9th in the conference is completely unacceptable. MSU will likely still be in the tournament despite their issues.
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I would say it's pretty close between Minnesota and MSU. Remember, MSU was rated #2 to start the year so expectations were very high. I think they still have some work to do to get into the tournament as well. After today's loss, I think they have to win at least one in the tourney. If they lose, they're 17-14 on the year and I can't see them getting in. Anyone know what the worst winning percentage ever for an at large team?

Our season was disappointing because it started off so well and has gone so bad down the stretch.
 


I agree GinIowa - MSU started the season with the statement that they would not be satisfied with a final four - they wanted to win it all. Anything less was a failure. Well.
 

Moonlight said:
I agree GinIowa - MSU started the season with the statement that they would not be satisfied with a final four - they wanted to win it all. Anything less was a failure. Well.
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Quite a difference in expecations, and they havent lived up to it.

Mn fans lower the expectations to meet the results.
 

Mn in a lanslide. MSU still has a chance to do something in the Tourney. We won't have the same chance.
 

tikited said:
Mn in a lanslide. MSU still has a chance to do something in the Tourney. We won't have the same chance.
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Mich St. is 17-13, if (big if) the gophs win on Sunday we are 18-12 with Nolen possibly coming back for the tournament. There is a small chance two wins would get us in with a and 20-13 record.

Win Sunday, hopefully Al comes back for the tourney. I'm one fan still cheering for his team NIT or Dance.
 



9194Gophs said:
Mich St. is 17-13, if (big if) the gophs win on Sunday we are 18-12 with Nolen possibly coming back for the tournament. There is a small chance two wins would get us in with a and 20-13 record.

Win Sunday, hopefully Al comes back for the tourney. I'm one fan still cheering for his team NIT or Dance.
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That is the attitude I like to see, and I thank you for that.
 

MSU hands down. From #2 to bubble is terrible. They both lost players and it shows how important that 2+ players can be and the difference it can make.
 

BarnBurner said:
Quite a difference in expecations, and they havent lived up to it.

Mn fans lower the expectations to meet the results.
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I could not agree more with this statement and it is what I am most disappointed about in my fellow Gopher fans. We have a lot of fans who continue to lower the bar (even during the season) so that they can be happy with the end result. When I first found the football board, fans expected the Gophers to win a majority of their games against Wisconsin and Iowa, then it moved to being happy with just splitting those rivalry games, and now a lot of fans consider it a success if they just occasionally win those games. At some point you look around and say we haven't won crap in close to 15 years and that has to change.
 

bga1 said:
You are right. MSU recovered from it's fall. The Gophers continued to fall. Bad year all around. Hard to believe that Michigan will probably be in the tournament and we won't have a sniff.
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+1
 



Illinois has to be in the discussion too. No player losses and all that talent with a .500 season. Overall the middle of the Big10 stunk this year. It's not landslide in my opinion.
 


Why Is MSU in the tourney and mn not? (To many)

There ranked wins are 11, 13, and 21. UMN has 8 and 8.

MSU has bad losses, @PSU, @Iowa, @Michigan, Michigan (MN won two of those games)

MN has bad losses @PSU, @Indiana, @Northwestern, Michigan (MSU won two of those)

MN (currently) has the better record and with a win on Sunday will have the better overall record.

MSU has been average all year.

MN started way above averaged and finished way below average

So Why is MSU a virtual lock and MN NIT bound? (Head to head? Pedigree?)

What Makes the MSU resume so much better?

IMO they either both get in or both miss out. But I am not an expert by any means.
 

EG#9 said:
Minnesota and it is not close. To finish 9th in the conference is completely unacceptable. MSU will likely still be in the tournament despite their issues.
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The Gophers left 4 or 5 W on the table (at IU, Mich St, Mich, at Penn St, Illinois, at NWUe) so I'd agree. Injuries and transfer were factors but SHOULD have been AT LEAST 3 W of the 6 games.

Mich St with 12 L is more typical under Tom Izzo than you might think. This is about the 8th or 9th 10+ L season for Sparty with Izzo as HC.
 

9194Gophs said:
Mich St. is 17-13, if (big if) the gophs win on Sunday we are 18-12 with Nolen possibly coming back for the tournament. There is a small chance two wins would get us in with a and 20-13 record.

Win Sunday, hopefully Al comes back for the tourney. I'm one fan still cheering for his team NIT or Dance.
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Good points. I wish I had your optimism, but I'll be cheering either way as well.
 

9194Gophs said:
Mich St. is 17-13, if (big if) the gophs win on Sunday we are 18-12 with Nolen possibly coming back for the tournament. There is a small chance two wins would get us in with a and 20-13 record.

Win Sunday, hopefully Al comes back for the tourney. I'm one fan still cheering for his team NIT or Dance.
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Outside chance at 21-13 on Selection Sunday (March 13). Really 22-12 (that day) and B10T champs are needed.
 



If MSU misses the tournament, than they win the award. But they will likely make it and Izzo will pull a Sweet 16 out of a crevice somewhere, just watch. He did a better job of pull the car out of the ditch than Tubby did this year, but his may have had less damage.
 

scher215 said:
Two wins in btt would include osu. With or without nolen, that win would be huge.
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Nolen coming back would be significant. I don't think beating OSU and going in 20-13, 9-12 is enough without Al. But if he comes back and contributes, it gives them cover to take the Gophers over someone with a better resume. I think following an OSU win with a follow-up over Michigan/Illinois will do the trick either way.

Anyway, the odds of us taking out OSU are so remote it's not really worth discussing.
 

If Nolen comes back and they look good in wins over PSU and NW. And then they beat OSU and lose the next game, it will make them 19-13 overall and 14-4 with Nolen with 4 wins over top 20 RPI teams (3 on neutral court).

No bubble team can even sniff that kind of resume. With a weak bubble this year and 19 wins, I think that would get them in. The committee would look at the games without Nolen and count them less because Nolen would be back and proven that the team could play at a high level.

With that said, no one can realistically see that happening.
 

9194Gophs said:
Mich St. is 17-13, if (big if) the gophs win on Sunday we are 18-12 with Nolen possibly coming back for the tournament. There is a small chance two wins would get us in with a and 20-13 record.

Win Sunday, hopefully Al comes back for the tourney. I'm one fan still cheering for his team NIT or Dance.
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And so will I.

The difference between our record and MSU's is that they haven't lost 7 of 8. The selection committee punishes teams that finish poorly. We need more than twenty wins imo.
 

tikited said:
And so will I.

The difference between our record and MSU's is that they haven't lost 7 of 8. The selection committee punishes teams that finish poorly. We need more than twenty wins imo.
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Yup.
 

tikited said:
And so will I.

The difference between our record and MSU's is that they haven't lost 7 of 8. The selection committee punishes teams that finish poorly. We need more than twenty wins imo.
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Generally speaking, yes. But a team that lost a key player and got him back and played well won't be punished as harshly.
 

Max Power said:
If Nolen comes back and they look good in wins over PSU and NW. And then they beat OSU and lose the next game, it will make them 19-13 overall
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Your math is off.

Wins vs-
PSU - 18-12, 7-11
NW - 19-12, 8-11
OSU- 20-12, 9,11

Loss- 20-13, 9-12

Could get in with 20, I say 21 is a lock. A lot of work to do either way.
 

9194Gophs said:
Your math is off.

Wins vs-
PSU - 18-12, 7-11NW - 19-12, 8-11
OSU- 20-12, 9,11

Loss- 20-13, 9-12

Could get in with 20, I say 21 is a lock. A lot of work to do either way.
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Doesn't matter now.
 

Disappointments

1A. Michigan State
1B. Minnesota

Take your pick.

Distant 3rd. Illinois.
 

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