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upnorthkid said:
4 Cooper, Keanon-camp invite. again could get drafted if he has an outstanding pro day.
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Not a chance. Cooper wasn't even a good college linebacker. And "not good" is generous. I'm not sure he'll even get a camp invite, though maybe the Vikes or Packers will.

I think Gray is probably 75/25 to be drafted, and I think Carter should be drafted, but I'm not sure he will be.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
Never underestimate how NFL teams value special teams experience and guys that can play on kick offs and coverage units and lower salary's to fit under the salary cap.
For this reason I see both Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire getting drafted, in the NFL if you can run, cover and tackle or pick the ball off you get noticed by NFL scouts.
That and both Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire have return games assets they can bring to the table. You have to be versatile and have some flexibility when your
a later round pick. I see both of these guy's picking up NFL paychecks, now they have to work out well at the NFL pro day and scouting combines.
In this day and age when NFL teams are looking for athleticism they are also looking for guys that can do multiple things like play on special teams, kick off coverage
and return teams. I would have to say these two guy's because they can play on special teams and play corner back will be drafted in rounds 4 to 7.
I just don't see all 32 teams letting these guy's pass through as undrafted free agents when so many pick cornerbacks. Don't underestimate the value of either guy
Carter or Stoudermires ability to play on special teams this will be attractive to pro scouts, and it is something I would sell if I were these players agents or advisors
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Stoudermire isn't a good cornerback, however, and anyone that watched the team recently can see that his returning abilities aren't what they used to be either.
 

Gopherprof said:
Not a chance. Cooper wasn't even a good college linebacker. And "not good" is generous. I'm not sure he'll even get a camp invite, though maybe the Vikes or Packers will.

I think Gray is probably 75/25 to be drafted, and I think Carter should be drafted, but I'm not sure he will be.
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Will have to disagree with you on coop not being good, he wasn't great by any means but overall he was solid IMO. That being said, not a chance he gets drafted.
 

I think Wilhite will get drafted in 6-7 round pass rushers are hard to find. Practice squad at the very least
 

The only thing I wonder about with Carter is how strong he is and how he would play against the run at the pro level. I think he can cover and would be a really good nickel or dime package DB. Solid coverage skills that should play well in passing situations.

Gray will have to start working with a receiving coach regularly between now and the combine. Gray's an athletic marvel, but he looks a bit mechanical at times. If he irons out his game, he's got athletic ability to spare.

Wilhite should get a look as a 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. A lot will depend on how well he shows himself to be in coverage drills.

I think Gray is probably the most likely to be drafted (after round 5), followed by Carter and Wilhite respectively. I would guess all three will be in someone's camp if they aren't drafted.
 


I just hope all the time Carter spent "finding his way" prior to this season doesn't turn NFL teams away.
 

paulser21 said:
I just hope all the time Carter spent "finding his way" prior to this season doesn't turn NFL teams away.
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My guess is the perception of Carter's problems are minor when compared to Tyrann Mathieu's and you know the "Honey Badger" will be getting a shot.
 

paulser21 said:
I just hope all the time Carter spent "finding his way" prior to this season doesn't turn NFL teams away.
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Nebraska's Alphonse Denard, punches a cop the week of the draft and was still drafted. Carter's supposed issue was school work.
 

Gopherprof said:
Not a chance. Cooper wasn't even a good college linebacker. And "not good" is generous. I'm not sure he'll even get a camp invite, though maybe the Vikes or Packers will.

I think Gray is probably 75/25 to be drafted, and I think Carter should be drafted, but I'm not sure he will be.
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Why was Cooper not a good college linebacker?
 



50PoundHead said:
The only thing I wonder about with Carter is how strong he is and how he would play against the run at the pro level. I think he can cover and would be a really good nickel or dime package DB. Solid coverage skills that should play well in passing situations.

Gray will have to start working with a receiving coach regularly between now and the combine. Gray's an athletic marvel, but he looks a bit mechanical at times. If he irons out his game, he's got athletic ability to spare.

Wilhite should get a look as a 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. A lot will depend on how well he shows himself to be in coverage drills.

I think Gray is probably the most likely to be drafted (after round 5), followed by Carter and Wilhite respectively. I would guess all three will be in someone's camp if they aren't drafted.
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Disregard my question about Cooper, now that I see you have Wilhite in the NFL I understand......you have no IDEA what you're talking about!

I'm just joking....for the most part. Wilhite as a 3-4 backer? I would tend to say no because he would be a huge liability versus the run and im not sure a pass rush specialist (linebacker) exist in the 3-4 defense.
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
Never underestimate how NFL teams value special teams experience and guys that can play on kick offs and coverage units and lower salary's to fit under the salary cap.
For this reason I see both Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire getting drafted, in the NFL if you can run, cover and tackle or pick the ball off you get noticed by NFL scouts.
That and both Michael Carter and Troy Stoudermire have return games assets they can bring to the table. You have to be versatile and have some flexibility when your
a later round pick. I see both of these guy's picking up NFL paychecks, now they have to work out well at the NFL pro day and scouting combines.
In this day and age when NFL teams are looking for athleticism they are also looking for guys that can do multiple things like play on special teams, kick off coverage
and return teams. I would have to say these two guy's because they can play on special teams and play corner back will be drafted in rounds 4 to 7.
I just don't see all 32 teams letting these guy's pass through as undrafted free agents when so many pick cornerbacks. Don't underestimate the value of either guy
Carter or Stoudermires ability to play on special teams this will be attractive to pro scouts, and it is something I would sell if I were these players agents or advisors.

Marquies Gray will get plenty of looks when your his size and can run and catch the ball someone will find you a spot. He will be motivated to catch the ball now that
his NFL paycheck is on the line. I do see him making it in the league because the guy is just a good enough athlete to do so.
I would have to think DL Willhite at least played himself into free agent status and camp invitations. He has pass rushing ability, he is a little light for a defensive end
but he is a good enough situational pass rusher and plays the run well enough to get looks. These are the 4 guy's I see as possibly having some NFL league interest.

Maybe Raabe get's a tryout or looks, perhaps if he works out well at the NFL day, but that is about it for the Gophers.

I could see Ryan Grant becoming a coach, he is a smart football player and comes from a line of coaches so do not be shocked if someone wants him on there coaching staff as a GA and that he works himself up the ladder. There was a reason he played all four years he was here the kid understands the game of football.
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I'm curious to how you know he is a smart football player? I watched nearly every Gopher game and rarely saw him play anything besides Special Teams.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Disregard my question about Cooper, now that I see you have Wilhite in the NFL I understand......you have no IDEA what you're talking about!

I'm just joking....for the most part. Wilhite as a 3-4 backer? I would tend to say no because he would be a huge liability versus the run and im not sure a pass rush specialist (linebacker) exist in the 3-4 defense.
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I didn't say anything about Cooper. My only point on Wilhite is that there are a lot of guys who get a look based on their pass rush ability. I'm thinking of guys like Dezman Moses who signed with the Packers as a non-drafted free agent and has actually played some this season. I'm not saying Wilhite will get drafted, but if he can show any kind of backwards movement in drills, someone may take a look at him solely as a guy who pushes upfield in passing situations. I don't see him as an every-down player at the next level.
 

50PoundHead said:
I didn't say anything about Cooper. My only point on Wilhite is that there are a lot of guys who get a look based on their pass rush ability. I'm thinking of guys like Dezman Moses who signed with the Packers as a non-drafted free agent and has actually played some this season. I'm not saying Wilhite will get drafted, but if he can show any kind of backwards movement in drills, someone may take a look at him solely as a guy who pushes upfield in passing situations. I don't see him as an every-down player at the next level.
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Hey...it only takes one team to like you so you may be correct on Wilhite. All he can ask for is a chance and he will get that at the Gophers pro day.
 



My assumption on Grant being a smart football player is this

Every time I saw Grant line up on special teams or even the few times he played linebacker last year and the year before is he seemed to take the correct tackling angle, or was in the correct position on the football field to make the play. He did play more than one occasion. Doesn't mean he had the athleticism to make the play, but he appeared to make the right decisions and be in the correct spots even on helping line people up on kick blocks or punt team. I am making the assumption and taking a leap of faith that he looked over the top that he was usually in the correct responsibility or rush lane. My presumption is he was smart on the football field because he appeared to be in the correct spots.

I'm also assuming with his dads and grandpa's connections if the kid want's to end up in coaching he is going to have a path and that people will take him in as a GA or intern because of the people his family knows. Could be to much of assumption but it does help to know people in the coaching world.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Nebraska's Alphonse Denard, punches a cop the week of the draft and was still drafted. Carter's supposed issue was school work.
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Alfonzo Dennard was also projected to be a late 1st round to early second round pick in many mock drafts. He fell all the way into the 7th round.

A criminal offense and a school related offense really cannot be compared to each other. I hope Carter gets drafted and performs well in the future. He has a bright future ahead of him.
 

I would guess that Carter is the only Gopher drafted, unless MG has an outstanding combine. I could see 3-4 more gophers getting camp invites, but not being drafted. Although I was surprised Triplett was drafted in like the 5th or 6th a couple years ago, so who's to say I really know anything. Looking at position rankings, only Carter seems to have a legit shot.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Disregard my question about Cooper, now that I see you have Wilhite in the NFL I understand......you have no IDEA what you're talking about!

I'm just joking....for the most part. Wilhite as a 3-4 backer? I would tend to say no because he would be a huge liability versus the run and im not sure a pass rush specialist (linebacker) exist in the 3-4 defense.
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Wow! Something I agree with you on! :) I do not see Wilhite playing as a 3-4 backer either. Yes, he had a really good year this year, but I would think NFL teams are looking for a little more of a dominate pass rusher to play in a 3-4 scheme. I.E. Von Miller type of player for something like that. Not saying that all 3-4 guys are that quality, to me, Wilhite just doesn't fit that mold.

But, I could be way off base and be completely wrong.
 

e.bigelow said:
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Wow! Something I agree with you on! :) I do not see Wilhite playing as a 3-4 backer either. Yes, he had a really good year this year, but I would think NFL teams are looking for a little more of a dominate pass rusher to play in a 3-4 scheme. I.E. Von Miller type of player for something like that. Not saying that all 3-4 guys are that quality, to me, Wilhite just doesn't fit that mold.

But, I could be way off base and be completely wrong.
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Even a broke clock is right twice a day. Sooner are later I was bound to say something you would agree with.:cool:
 

If Wilhite can't line up as an OLB in a 3-4, he won't be in anyone's camp. He's not big enough to play DE in a 4-3 (at least at his current weight).

I'm not defensive about the critique of my assessment, but there are so many specialty situations in pro ball for which there is room for either the developmental player or someone with a unique or rare ability. Wilhite may fit into those categories. Again, I don't see him as an every-down player if he gets a chance at the next level.
 

paulser21 said:
Alfonzo Dennard was also projected to be a late 1st round to early second round pick in many mock drafts. He fell all the way into the 7th round.

A criminal offense and a school related offense really cannot be compared to each other. I hope Carter gets drafted and performs well in the future. He has a bright future ahead of him.
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Mock drafts are by mock experts, Denard's "fall" took place long before he decided to go WWF on the police. He was ultimately drafted where he was slated to be drafted after the combine and his pro day.
 

I've seen a few places that project Keenan Davis to get drafted in the 6th or 7th rounds. Gray has to have more upside than him.
 

Way back in my day, "getting drafted" was not a good thing.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Wilhite as a 3-4 backer? I would tend to say no because he would be a huge liability versus the run and im not sure a pass rush specialist (linebacker) exist in the 3-4 defense.
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Huh? A 3-4 OLB's primary responsibility is to rush the passer. That's the primary point of the 3-4 defense. Demarcus Ware isn't a particularly great run defender, but it's totally irrelevant because he's such a beast at getting to the QB.
 

Gopherprof said:
Huh? A 3-4 OLB's primary responsibility is to rush the passer. That's the primary point of the 3-4 defense. Demarcus Ware isn't a particularly great run defender, but it's totally irrelevant because he's such a beast at getting to the QB.
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I like wilhite but he is not an NFL talent and I highly doubt he makes it out of any training camp. Carter and Gray are the only gophers I believe have a chance of making a roster.
 

paulser21 said:
I like wilhite but he is not an NFL talent and I highly doubt he makes it out of any training camp. Carter and Gray are the only gophers I believe have a chance of making a roster.
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No I don't think so either, I just didn't understand the comment about the 3-4 not having pass-rush specialists. The entire point of the defense is to get to the QB, especially from the OLB position.
 

Gopherprof said:
No I don't think so either, I just didn't understand the comment about the 3-4 not having pass-rush specialists. The entire point of the defense is to get to the QB, especially from the OLB position.
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The point is the primary responsibility of a 3-4 backer (outside) is to rush the passer, therefore the very ideal of a pass rush specialist is redundant. By comparison, the primary ends in a 4-3 defense can be replaced by pass rush specialist on passing downs.
 

Gopherprof said:
Huh? A 3-4 OLB's primary responsibility is to rush the passer. That's the primary point of the 3-4 defense. Demarcus Ware isn't a particularly great run defender, but it's totally irrelevant because he's such a beast at getting to the QB.
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We are actually saying the same thing; I'm just saying because the primary responsibility of the a olb is to rust the passer why would you need a rush specialist?
 

I'm a fair-weather Viking fan, they're my favorite NFL team, and I want them to do well. I seriously want them to draft Gray, because when he gets NFL instruction and learns for a year on the practice squad, he's going to be a bargain. I'm not sure what to think of Carter (he certainly played the season like a guy who'll get drafted), but I do think Stoudermire is talented enough to be a CB in the NFL and might very well get that chance.

I don't think Stoudermire is going to impress with returns if he doesn't knock the "stop" out of his game. He stops to fake out the closest guy, but unlike with offensive plays, there are 11 guys trying to get you. Faking one out at the expense of speed and momentum allows 10 others to catch up to you. It was a frustrating thing to watch him do for five years, and it wasn't a successful ploy in the least. His best runbacks were all ones with no "stop" in them. If he can go full out on all returns, it will really help his chances to stick and eventually play CB when he learns the position better.
 

I'm a huge Vikings fan but wouldn't want him on the roster. He will never be a pro quarterback. His lack of accuracy, pocket presence, and decision making will keep him from ever being a full time qb. He is going to have to have a huuuuge combine to impress me enough to ever spend a draft pick on him even at that position. He's far too unpolished. He's going to put great numbers up at the combine for the workouts but he needs to show people route running and catching ability.
 

I'd be surprised if Stoudermire gets anything more then a camp invite. I thought he was going to have a monster year returning kicks but was very disappointed.
 

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