Which QB would you choose - Mitch or Cardale?

Which QB is better - Mitch or Cardale?

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Mitch has taken a lot of heat, but imo he hasn't been close to the biggest problem on the team. That distinction would go to the defensive ends and the o-line. OSU's vaunted QBs are talked about non-stop, but after seeing the results last night and throughout this year, who would you rather have at QB for the Gophers.
 


Anyone that would take Liedner over Jones needs to get their head examined.
 

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John Galt said:
Mitch has taken a lot of heat, but imo he hasn't been close to the biggest problem on the team. That distinction would go to the defensive ends and the o-line. OSU's vaunted QBs are talked about non-stop, but after seeing the results last night and throughout this year, who would you rather have at QB for the Gophers.
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Like I said after the National Championship game, Cardale should have gone pro, entered the draft. He was a solidly projected first round pick. This year his stock has dropped.

According to the announcers, one of his problems this year is accuracy. That showed up in the Gopher game.

How good would Leidner be with the Ohio St offensive line? Leidner has improved a ton this year! Cardale in the last few games last year is a landslide choice winner. But as odd as it reads,

there is at least a case to consider Leidner right now. Take away the quarterback draws and Cardale didn't do much last night. Mitch could have duplicated the execution of those runs.
 



Looks like Leidner's parents and his brother have all voted.
 

I can't even believe this is a real question, but if I must I'll take Jones a thousand times. Dude has won a national title and put up 59 on Becky last year. We haven't put up 59 on Becky in the last 4 years combined.
 

If you watched the beautiful demolition of Wisconsin, Jones was just chucking it up for grabs. I saw more in the title game. The OSU receivers were making amazing plays on the ball and bailing him out. He had one or two receivers last night go make a play on the ball.

We don't currently have receivers like that. Jones + our receivers would be a bloodbath of turnovers and incompletions.

That said, he has a cannon and is a load to tacke with nice mobility. He's probably not a great student of the game and doesn't have a ton of experience.
 

I voted for Leidner. Jones benefits more by the talent around him, he gets credit for wins when handing the ball off to Elliott has been his best contribution in some games this season. Jones has a lot of fast WRs out there, has had a lot of guys wide open and has airmailed intermediate passes to open receivers all season long. He can only run straight ahead, slowly, has been misfiring all year long and is one of the worst QBs in the B1G. I see people talking about Jones last year, well I'm making a decision about now, and it isn't last year. Jones was able to simply throw the ball long last year without any real precision and Devin Smith was so fast and good at snatching balls that it didn't matter, now without Smith, I think the one long pass yesterday was the only true deep ball he has completed all season long and he has had plenty of chances (8 starts). If the Gopher receivers were catching all passes they had in their hands, it would be a little different vote on here, I think.
 



WindyCityGopher said:
I can't even believe this is a real question, but if I must I'll take Jones a thousand times. Dude has won a national title and put up 59 on Becky last year. We haven't put up 59 on Becky in the last 4 years combined.
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Obviously Jones resume from last year far exceeds Leidner's. My question is based on what's happened this year.

Jones has tons of talent around him but looks really shaky at times. I'm not convinced the Gophers would be better off with Jones or that OSU would be any worse with Mitch.
 

I like Mitch just fine but you have to remember that Jones is more developed at his level of experience than Leidner was and he has two years left.

I do agree that it is a bit unfair to compare them based on their surrounding supporting cast.
 

John Galt said:
Obviously Jones resume from last year far exceeds Leidner's. My question is based on what's happened this year.

Jones has tons of talent around him but looks really shaky at times. I'm not convinced the Gophers would be better off with Jones or that OSU would be any worse with Mitch.
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I voted Jones but the gap this year is not as massive as it would have seemed coming into the season. Overall I would say Leidner outplayed Jones last night but if I had to pick one to lead my team for the entire season I would still go with Jones.

Those that have said Jones should have gone pro last year are absolutely right because his stock has tumbled a ton this season. Kid is a freak of nature athletically but he is not the guy most thought he was after leading them to the title last season, myself included. I don't think there is any doubt that JT Barrett is the top QB on their roster.
 

Let's make this simple- If the Gophs had Cardale playing QB on Saturday night there is a good to great chance the gophs win that game.
 



As shocking as it sounds, id rather have Leidner. I want a guy who has good character and is a leader. Cardale may be better talent wise, but he certainly isn't a leader. Plus the last thing this teams needs is a quarterback who doesn't go to class. Leidner all the way.
 

I have nothing against Mitch, but Jones' conversion on 3rd-and-18 with a run up the gut after the coverage forced him to tuck and run really differentiates him from Leidner. Jones is just the better athlete. He's a bit scatter-armed, but then again, so is Mitch.

I agree that for all of the freshman and redshirt freshman WRs on the roster, only Stills is stepping up right now. Better WRs would likely lead to a better Mitch.
 

cjbfbp said:
I like Mitch just fine but you have to remember that Jones is more developed at his level of experience than Leidner was and he has two years left.

I do agree that it is a bit unfair to compare them based on their surrounding supporting cast.
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They're both RS Juniors
 


Pretty easy to be "good" with the talent #12 has around him and the position on the field he gets to work with. To hard to answer the question. Mitch would be a rock star on that team. #12 would be pretty average on our team or any other. #12 is not great by any stretch.
 

You cats are hilarious!

Seriously though Jones main problem is his team is not committed to his style of play this year or him. Last season after losing the 1st two running QB's they had no choice but play and more importantly PRACTICE a offense that fit him. Now, their trying to be both a running QB and a passing QB team. Plus they are not committed to him.

To summarize; defenses hip to how he plays, offense trying to be multiple things and a coach putting him on a short leash equals what's going with him......in my opinion.
 

Yeah, well only one of the two went to his school to play school.
 


Sportsfan24 said:
You cats are hilarious!

Seriously though Jones main problem is his team is not committed to his style of play this year or him. Last season after losing the 1st two running QB's they had no choice but play and more importantly PRACTICE a offense that fit him. Now, their trying to be both a running QB and a passing QB team. Plus they are not committed to him.

To summarize; defenses hip to how he plays, offense trying to be multiple things and a coach putting him on a short leash equals what's going with him......in my opinion.
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This is one of those fun questions we'll never really know the answer to. So many variables in play.

I could make a lot of excuses for Mitch too in his defense. The bottom line is we'll never know, because Jones gets to play with an entire team of 4 and 5 star recruits and Mitch is playing with much less raw talent on his team (not to mention the problems with the injuries no our offensive line).

Big picture-wise I'd probably take Mitch. Little bit less talented, but from what I can tell a much better leader and representative of the University (as a student-athlete).

Edit: by the way - I thought your son represented his university very well. Was a big fan and glad you're back posting.
 

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This is one of those fun questions we'll never really know the answer to. So many variables in play.

I could make a lot of excuses for Mitch too in his defense. The bottom line is we'll never know, because Jones gets to play with an entire team of 4 and 5 star recruits and Mitch is playing with much less raw talent on his team (not to mention the problems with the injuries no our offensive line).

Big picture-wise I'd probably take Mitch. Little bit less talented, but from what I can tell a much better leader and representative of the University (as a student-athlete).

Edit: by the way - I thought your son represented his university very well. Was a big fan and glad you're back posting.
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Thanks for the kind words.




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Sportsfan24 said:
You cats are hilarious!

Seriously though Jones main problem is his team is not committed to his style of play this year or him. Last season after losing the 1st two running QB's they had no choice but play and more importantly PRACTICE a offense that fit him. Now, their trying to be both a running QB and a passing QB team. Plus they are not committed to him.

To summarize; defenses hip to how he plays, offense trying to be multiple things and a coach putting him on a short leash equals what's going with him......in my opinion.
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You're the real jokester here. The TEAM has to commit to the PLAYER. Now that's one I haven't heard lately!

The team puts the player on the field in the position he plays, so what you're saying they should do is just let him throw more and refuse to give the ball to the star running back? Jones has been horrible all season in my opinion. Your kind of logic is the thinking that GMs must buy into when they draft busts. Jones doesn't deserve anybody making excuses for him. Ultimately he is too slow mentally to be successful at the position, he cannot process in his mind where he should be getting the ball quickly enough the majority of the time he is supposed to be passing it. He either doesn't anticipate well enough or isn't accurate enough to complete the majority of downfield passes he has tried. Either way he has been a poor QB this season and any NFL team would be foolish to draft him in any round.
 

OSUfan said:
You're the real jokester here. The TEAM has to commit to the PLAYER. Now that's one I haven't heard lately!

The team puts the player on the field in the position he plays, so what you're saying they should do is just let him throw more and refuse to give the ball to the star running back? Jones has been horrible all season in my opinion. Your kind of logic is the thinking that GMs must buy into when they draft busts. Jones doesn't deserve anybody making excuses for him. Ultimately he is too slow mentally to be successful at the position, he cannot process in his mind where he should be getting the ball quickly enough the majority of the time he is supposed to be passing it. He either doesn't anticipate well enough or isn't accurate enough to complete the majority of downfield passes he has tried. Either way he has been a poor QB this season and any NFL team would be foolish to draft him in any round.
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My man; you come across as terrible racist.
You managed to hit all of the code words.



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Sportsfan24 said:
My man; you come across as terrible racist.
You managed to hit all of the code words.



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Are you ****ing kidding us here? JT Barrett is white?

GTFO of here with this garbage.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Are you ****ing kidding us here? JT Barrett is white?

GTFO of here with this garbage.
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What does JT being black have to do with my comment?

You really don't know what I'm referencing do you? Therefore you really don't know what you're talking about.


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Pompous Elitist said:
Are you ****ing kidding us here? JT Barrett is white? GTFO of here with this garbage.
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Not to speak for him, but people ALWAYS just assume the black QB "can't process a defense" the black QB is "too stupid to figure out an offense" the black QB "should stick to running"

Check the coverage of Cam Newton, despite the fact that every coach with Carolina talks about what a smart football player he is and how much reading of the defense he does and has responsibility similar to Peyton Manning did in Indi people still say he is just a running QB who is really too stupid to play QB in the NFL. It's why people assume Jameis Winston and Teddy Bridgewater are running QB's like Mike Vick. Because all black QB's are just running athletes.

Sportsfan was right on part of why Jones struggles. OSU is built to be a running/running QB team. That's not who Cardale Jones is. He's more of a pocket guy. Meanwhile, OSUfan went straight to "nope, he's just another stupid black QB" I won't go so far as to say he's some huge racist, but that's a perspective on black QB's that should have died long, long ago.
 

let's just stay on point- would you rather have Mitcheroo as your QB or the Natl Champ OSU QB? i know, is this a real question?
 

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