Which of these 3 is the best job?

Which of these 3 is the best job?

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It goes without saying, but please remove your bias before selecting.

Which of these 3 is the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 has been the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 could be the best job?

Just, simply - which of these 3 is the best job?
 

Colorado

More recent history of success and good recruiting connections in California that will only get better as a member of PAC 10. Plus, the quality of life and options of things to do in Colorado are great. For most coaches and people I think they would rather live in Colorado than Minnesota which adds to the appeal of the job. Colorado has also shown in recent times that multiple coaches can and have won there, Minnesota cannot.
 

Excellent question. Pitt is out for me, just because of their conference. Minn and Colorado are close.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Excellent question. Pitt is out for me, just because of their conference. Minn and Colorado are close.
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This. I'd add that Pitt is out because they have to share a facility with the Steelers. I honestly think it's a toss-up between the Gophers and Colorado, and I'll go with the Buffs because of the better recent history and the upcoming move to the Pac-12.
 

Pitt, weak conference=better shot at BCS bowl. Better history. Not too many good to great teams on the east coast to compete with for players.
 


I have a hard time removing my bais, so I can't vote.
 

I vote Pitt. Still a national name, Easier path to BCS games in general, and if Pitt went undefeated, the Championship Game. Yes they share a stadium, but it is an awesome stadium.
 


Minnesota...

Best Conference
Best Facilities
Most upside

edit: Most appreciative fan base once you achieve the "goal"
Checkbook is open
 



I voted Minnesota. If I would have voted on the same three schools a few years ago, I would have put the Minnesota job as last among those three. The Big 10 network and TCF Bank Stadium are game changers to propell Minnesota higher in terms of its upside NOW, simply because of what they mean for the future.
 

Colorado. Better overall place to live in terms of climate and things to do than MN. I'd rank the Pac-10 (12) and Big 10 (12) as equal conferences. Minnesota would be second, and Pitt a very, very, very distant third.
 

Colorado - especially now that they're in the Pac-10 competing with lesser teams than the Big 12. Their chances for a title just got a whole lot better down the line.

MN would be 2nd, not too far behind.

Pitt is so far behind I'd put in about 5th place on the list.
 




If you think our fan base is apathetic, Colorado is 10x worse.

And what's up with everybody saying there's more to do in Boulder than in Minneapolis? Have you been to Boulder? It's like Ann Arbor with mountains. Cute and boring.

If you like to ski, then sure, Colorado is great. I don't want our coach spending the entire winter on the slopes instead of in the office.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It goes without saying, but please remove your bias before selecting.

Which of these 3 is the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 has been the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 could be the best job?

Just, simply - which of these 3 is the best job?
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Did some of you guys not read the question? IS the best job.
Not -Which of these 3 could be the best job? I'm seeing words like upside, future and propell.
Pitts practice facility is top notchhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPMC_Sports_Performance_Complex
 

glovedgopher said:
Did some of you guys not read the question? IS the best job.
Not -Which of these 3 could be the best job? I'm seeing words like upside, future and propell.
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How can you not look at the future or at past success when deciding what is the best job? I looked at the future using only current factors that are known at this time.

Is the question really supposed to mean if you had to take a job to play one deciding game immediately and zero games forever into the future what would you choose?

The answer then would probably be Pitt - they have the best team right now of the three.

If that is the case the question really isn't about the job at all - just about the current team.
 

I see the Big East thing as a double-edged sword though. If you go 9-3 in the Big Ten or Pac 12, you'll be ranked. 9-3 in the Big East? Debateable. It's an easy road to the BCS, but no guarantees on the championship game (see: 2009 Cincinnati Bearcats).

When your best team, West Virginia, is 5-1 with a close road loss to top-10 LSU and still isn't higher than #20 in the BCS at this point in the season, there are problems with the conference (perceived or real). And those perceived/real problems make it pretty tough to truly be recognized as great, something you could do easier with a string of winning seasons at either Colorado or Minnesota.
 

NateDawgUM said:
If you think our fan base is apathetic, Colorado is 10x worse.
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Yes. This would be my problem with the CO job. Colorado seems to have every problem Minnesota has, but has them much worse.
 

josh087 said:
How can you not look at the future or at past success when deciding what is the best job? I looked at the future using only current factors that are known at this time.

Is the question really supposed to mean if you had to take a job to play one deciding game immediately and zero games forever into the future what would you choose?

The answer then would probably be Pitt - they have the best team right now of the three.

If that is the case the question really isn't about the job at all - just about the current team.
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The op would have to define that.
I guess if you ask me today what job do I want for the next five years I take the Pitt job.
1. Best team as of right now
2. #13 recruiting class as of today for 2011
3. Good Facilities Heinz not on campus but still voted #2 in NFL.
4. 9 national titles last one in 1976
5. Superstars in the NFL: Revis and Fitz
6. May, Ditka and Marino all on TV. May allows gives Pitt love.
7. Easier path to BCS bowls. I win a few and I'm off to coach at Notre Dame where I fail.
 

NateDawgUM said:
If you think our fan base is apathetic, Colorado is 10x worse.

And what's up with everybody saying there's more to do in Boulder than in Minneapolis? Have you been to Boulder? It's like Ann Arbor with mountains. Cute and boring.

If you like to ski, then sure, Colorado is great. I don't want our coach spending the entire winter on the slopes instead of in the office.
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Boulder is the best of both worlds in my opinion because if you want the smaller town feel you can get it and if you want the urban amenities then Denver is just a short drive away. It has everything Minneapolis has plus mountains. This wide array of options will appeal to coaches and their families. These are the reasons Colorado has tons of people moving there from out of state each year, versus Minnesota where a much smaller number migrate here.
 

GopherGod said:
These are the reasons Colorado has tons of people moving there from out of state each year, versus Minnesota where a much smaller number migrate here.
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People don't come here en masse because they are stupid, end of story. It works out well for us natives though.
 

Gopher07 said:
I see the Big East thing as a double-edged sword though. If you go 9-3 in the Big Ten or Pac 12, you'll be ranked. 9-3 in the Big East? Debateable. It's an easy road to the BCS, but no guarantees on the championship game (see: 2009 Cincinnati Bearcats).

When your best team, West Virginia, is 5-1 with a close road loss to top-10 LSU and still isn't higher than #20 in the BCS at this point in the season, there are problems with the conference (perceived or real). And those perceived/real problems make it pretty tough to truly be recognized as great, something you could do easier with a string of winning seasons at either Colorado or Minnesota.
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Can happen in the Big Ten and might happen if MSU runs the table. I see your point though.
On the other hand, a coach like Brian Kelly was able to use his success in the Big East and strike it rich.
 

GopherGod said:
Boulder is the best of both worlds in my opinion because if you want the smaller town feel you can get it and if you want the urban amenities then Denver is just a short drive away. It has everything Minneapolis has plus mountains. This wide array of options will appeal to coaches and their families. These are the reasons Colorado has tons of people moving there from out of state each year, versus Minnesota where a much smaller number migrate here.
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90% of coaches don't care what city they live in. They care about the paycheck and their egos.
 

You guys also seem to be looking past the whole Maturi and Prexy B thing. Try to be objective.
 

GopherGod said:
Boulder is the best of both worlds in my opinion because if you want the smaller town feel you can get it and if you want the urban amenities then Denver is just a short drive away. It has everything Minneapolis has plus mountains. This wide array of options will appeal to coaches and their families. These are the reasons Colorado has tons of people moving there from out of state each year, versus Minnesota where a much smaller number migrate here.
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I wouldn't argue Colorado isn't a nice place to live and a lot of people wouldn't mind living there. However, saying there is more to do there is flat out false. There are as many or more big city things to do here and although the outdoors activity list may be slightly different in composition, it is no different in length.

Not everyone is like me but I personally couldn't live without the north country and the lakes. The next guy might love to snow ski in the mountains.

Minnesota has been bucking the trend of population decline in the snow belt for years. It is projected to surpass Wisconsin in population within the next 30 or so years. No, the population growth has not been nearly at the rate of Nevada, Arizona, or even Colorado... but it is significant especially when considering the location.
 

I voted for MN, but a decent argument could be made for all 3. It is indeed easier to win the Big East, but it's still the Big East. Colorado's success is more recent, but they've been pretty bad for quite a few years now. Colorado is a professional sports state first and foremost, even more then MN. The CU basketball program is a joke, for example, where the Gophers are more popular then the T-Wolves. To me, TCF and the overall relative health of the athletic program edge MN ahead. Bottom-line is that whichever has a superior coach will do the best among the three. The other stuff is personal preference of the guy being hired.
 

Pitt is ok...but plays in the NFL stadium and its in Pittsburgh...if you haven't been then you wouldn't understand.

Colorado is fab now that its in the Pac 12 and location is awesome if you love to ski, etc. But I think recruiting will get harder in the Pac 12 than the Big 12...Cali schools are like FL schools to recruit against and Colorado doesn't have tradition against the Cali schools...close second.

MN was my pick...metro area, 4 seasons, new stadium, Big 10 conference, National TV every week and top notch education. History to call upon and tradition to build on and natural rivalrys.
 

I'd also add that in the last decade, while the Denver metro area has grown faster than Minneapolis/St Paul (17% growth compared to 10% here), that is still double figure growth and a HIGHER rate of population growth over the same time period than either San Diego or Los Angeles. Since the Twin Cities are growing faster than San Diego, by your definition every coach would rather live HERE? That isn't to mention the fact Denver is still considerably smaller than the Twin Cities. People need to get out of this 'poor us, we aren't good enough' mentality. The next thing you know, we will be happy with 1-11 football teams because we'll figure that is all we deserve. :)
 

Minnesota.

All quality of life elements aside, Maturi is right: the coach that manages to come here and win will have half of the campus named after him. Couple that with the fact we are at absolute rock bottom right now (nothing but upside!) and have a brand new stadium and it looks like a pretty good gig.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It goes without saying, but please remove your bias before selecting.

Which of these 3 is the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 has been the best job?

Not - Which of these 3 could be the best job?

Just, simply - which of these 3 is the best job?
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There is no "best job." There needs to be a criterion.

Best location? Colorado.

Lowest expectations? Minnesota.

Best program currently? Pittsburgh.

Highest quality of life? Colorado/Minnesota

I could go on.


I would argue that Colorado might have the highest ceiling of these three schools. History of success, fantastic weather, nice facilities, strong school academically but not a Vanderbilt/Stanford, amazing town, Colorado State/UNC are the only other D-1 programs in the state and won't steal recruits (similar to the Gophers and NDSU/USD). PAC 12 is a good conference to be in.

I love MN and I think it has a lot of nice things going for it but the program is not doing so hot right now, and the administration is up in the air. There are many positive things (metropolitan city, nice campus, only show in town etc). Big 10 conference is great to be in.

I know least about Pittsburgh. The town is not so hot and being in the rust belt hurts, although from what I hear the city is improving. Weather isn't great. Football program is strong right now and it is a reputable school academically. Big East is mediocre.

I understand what you are asking, but even though Pittsburgh "looks" like the best job, I think it is a much more complex than that.
 

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