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The offense didn't show the future teams anything to get ready for. I for one think there was a little "on purpose".
The play calling (except for the touchdown) showed nothing that everyone already knew. We could have "opened it up" at the end to get another score but didn't.
(this is when the fans Boo'd).
 

Agree 100%

Leidner is struggling but the playbook has been very limited on purpose. We have seen very few if any jet sweeps which has been extremely effective when used with KJ Maye in the past. Think back to last year and the years before, the first 4 or 5 games have been pretty basic offensively and then the playbook opens up. Kent State was packing the line on Saturday and the jet sweep would have killed them had it been run, the offense right now is boring on purpose.
 

The offense didn't show the future teams anything to get ready for. I for one think there was a little "on purpose".
The play calling (except for the touchdown) showed nothing that everyone already knew. We could have "opened it up" at the end to get another score but didn't.
(this is when the fans Boo'd).

Disagree. It was 100% "on purpose". :) That, and the injuries. Kill knew exactly what he was doing. And the fans booed him for it. No wonder he was cranky.
 

Not an effective strategy IMO. I'd rather we used all of the plays and the team got polished at running them. You don't surprise teams because you didn't run the jet sweep against your non-conference opponents. You surprise them because you've run all your plays so many times that they become second nature and the opponent cannot tell whether it's going to be the read option, jet sweep or rollout pass because they all look the same after the snap. I'd rather see our team get some reps in a game than save all the good stuff for later as a "surprise."
 



Not an effective strategy IMO. I'd rather we used all of the plays and the team got polished at running them. You don't surprise teams because you didn't run the jet sweep against your non-conference opponents. You surprise them because you've run all your plays so many times that they become second nature and the opponent cannot tell whether it's going to be the read option, jet sweep or rollout pass because they all look the same after the snap. I'd rather see our team get some reps in a game than save all the good stuff for later as a "surprise."

Do you think the team gets polished running those plays against Kent St more than in practice everyday against a top D? Yes, real game play is different than practice. But I've never known Kill to use games as practice.
 

After watching last week and seeing the purposefully bland play calling, it really dawned on me why Kill doesn't like to play good teams in the non conference. It made me wish I could have witnessed his reaction when Teague scheduled TCU. He must have been beyond livid.
 

This team has run nothing outside of the tackles. Have to believe that is by design for some reason.
 

These guys no how to work the system. Do the bare minimum to beat soft teams early, bring better play once B1G conference play starts. As a fan watching that game left me feeling more Ski U Meh than Ski U Mah, but I'm not tearing up my season tickets or cancelling travel plans for Northwestern. No one will care about barely beating Kent State 3 weeks from now if we start 2-0 in B1G play. If it goes the other way and we have a losing season fans will react with their checkbooks and Teagues plan to double ticket prices over a few years will backfire. Either way it's not something to get too worked up about now.
 



The offense didn't show the future teams anything to get ready for. I for one think there was a little "on purpose".
The play calling (except for the touchdown) showed nothing that everyone already knew. We could have "opened it up" at the end to get another score but didn't.
(this is when the fans Boo'd).

The problem with this is we have shown more in the past than we did against Kent St. We hardly ran the read option, yet this is normally something we run a good amount of. Teams are going to prepare for it.

I get maybe not showing a lot of new stuff, but I don't get cutting out things that the offense normally does a good amount of.
 

The playbook has been very vanilla on purpose. However, we have performed much worse than the coaching staff thought we would. The two combined have made us look worse than we are. Leidner still must start. That doesn't mean Leidner keeps the job all season.
 

So Big Ten teams don't have 5 years of Kill/Limegrover offense to study? The Gophers held back against TCU? If so that is just pathetic.

I won't disagree that they shutdown the playbook after Still's fumble, but the only other time I remember it being this painfully obvious was the San Jose St. game last year.
 

The problem with this is we have shown more in the past than we did against Kent St. We hardly ran the read option, yet this is normally something we run a good amount of. Teams are going to prepare for it.

I get maybe not showing a lot of new stuff, but I don't get cutting out things that the offense normally does a good amount of.

I am starting to think there was a bigger reason for the bland game plan. Is there a benefit to opening the playbook and putting a beat down on an inferior opponent? Maybe? You get to run more plays in a game environment, work on passing, etc. But it's also possible you come out of it with a false sense of security. From another thread, we saw plenty of non conference beatdowns with Mason's team, yet this did not necessarily always translate to success in the Big 10.

Maybe what Kill thought this team needed more was to be put in a difficult position on purpose. Perhaps he wanted to challenge the offense in ways that Kent State itself would not. What better way to do that by call a predictable, bland game? We may have well told Kent State what our plays were before each snap. Our offense was essentially left trying to execute with Kent State knowing exactly what we were going to do. This is risky, yes, especially when our offense has trouble scoring. But our defense was SO dominant, there really was very little chance they would ever score on us.

Most importantly we got the W. Second most importantly, we may have become mentally tougher from this, if this was indeed one of the motives. If history tells us anything it's that Kill does not give a damn about being flashy or looking good. Somehow he just keeps winning. Maybe this was all part of the bigger plan.
 



The Coach/his coordinator call the plays. They call what they want to call. THAT is why they are the Coach/his coordinator. IF your theory is that they will open up a bit in Conference play: I say have the Conference schedule ONLY consist of Conference Games. All Big Ten All the Time. I am so bored with the ooc schedule being 4 games. Let the BTN max out it's product and start the Big Ten Schedule with the first game of the season and play Big Ten Teams all schedule long. Then play a Bowl/Play off Game. It would be the end of this really boring ooc stuff and would make my mandated contribution to buy season tickets a better value than watching a game against Kent State.
 

I am starting to think there was a bigger reason for the bland game plan. Is there a benefit to opening the playbook and putting a beat down on an inferior opponent? Maybe? You get to run more plays in a game environment, work on passing, etc. But it's also possible you come out of it with a false sense of security. From another thread, we saw plenty of non conference beatdowns with Mason's team, yet this did not necessarily always translate to success in the Big 10.

Maybe what Kill thought this team needed more was to be put in a difficult position on purpose. Perhaps he wanted to challenge the offense in ways that Kent State itself would not. What better way to do that by call a predictable, bland game? We may have well told Kent State what our plays were before each snap. Our offense was essentially left trying to execute with Kent State knowing exactly what we were going to do. This is risky, yes, especially when our offense has trouble scoring. But our defense was SO dominant, there really was very little chance they would ever score on us.

Most importantly we got the W. Second most importantly, we may have become mentally tougher from this, if this was indeed one of the motives. If history tells us anything it's that Kill does not give a damn about being flashy or looking good. Somehow he just keeps winning. Maybe this was all part of the bigger plan.

I can understand that a little more if we were up 24-7 or something. But not up by so little. All it takes is a fluke play (like what happened in the Ole Miss-Alabama game) and we lose.
 

I am starting to think there was a bigger reason for the bland game plan. Is there a benefit to opening the playbook and putting a beat down on an inferior opponent? Maybe? You get to run more plays in a game environment, work on passing, etc. But it's also possible you come out of it with a false sense of security. From another thread, we saw plenty of non conference beatdowns with Mason's team, yet this did not necessarily always translate to success in the Big 10.

Maybe what Kill thought this team needed more was to be put in a difficult position on purpose. Perhaps he wanted to challenge the offense in ways that Kent State itself would not. What better way to do that by call a predictable, bland game? We may have well told Kent State what our plays were before each snap. Our offense was essentially left trying to execute with Kent State knowing exactly what we were going to do. This is risky, yes, especially when our offense has trouble scoring. But our defense was SO dominant, there really was very little chance they would ever score on us.

Most importantly we got the W. Second most importantly, we may have become mentally tougher from this, if this was indeed one of the motives. If history tells us anything it's that Kill does not give a damn about being flashy or looking good. Somehow he just keeps winning. Maybe this was all part of the bigger plan.

If this was the first game maybe, but they were already put in plenty of difficult positions in the first two games. Oh, and why Kill doesn't "give a damn about being flashy or looking good" he apparently is highly sensitive to criticism. Somebody should also tell the Coach about trolls too. Bet some of the people on this board have sent the Coach some less that supportive messages, now add in all the Iowa and WI "fans" out there...

They got the win so that certainly is good. Very good. His "better fire me" reaction will only guarantee one thing though.

He's gonna sadly, get a boatload full of unwelcome e-mails. :banghead:
 

I can understand that a little more if we were up 24-7 or something. But not up by so little. All it takes is a fluke play (like what happened in the Ole Miss-Alabama game) and we lose.

Yeah I probably agree. I do still think though that Kill doesn't care for style points like us fans do, and so they are not as incompetent as they may have appeared.
 

The problem with this is we have shown more in the past than we did against Kent St. We hardly ran the read option, yet this is normally something we run a good amount of. Teams are going to prepare for it.

I get maybe not showing a lot of new stuff, but I don't get cutting out things that the offense normally does a good amount of.

As usual, I really like your take on this....
 

The way I see it, I think the coaching staff was just being stubborn. They thought we should be able to run power up the middle until the cows come home and Kent St. shouldn't be able to stop it; basically challenging the O-Line to open up some holes because Kent St.

It was very hard to watch, but I can totally see Kill and Co. doing this as a message. "We should be better than these guys and do whatever we want, including running up the middle. We're gonna do this until you guys do it right."
 

Back when I played (not trying to give a soap box, walk-uphill-both-ways type statement here) our coach would tell the defense in practice what play our O was about to run. This made dang sure that our Offense had to be flat out better than the defense since they obviously knew what play we were running and could go directly to the area the play was going.

My point: no matter what plays were being called, we should have done a heck of a lot better then we did on offense. Even if Kent State knew what plays we were running, we have much better athletes that should have gotten the job done.
 

False.

We are two mistakes away from being 0-3.

No coach wants to be in that vulnerable position.

Jerry does like to keep the restrictor plate on during the non-con. But that's not what's going on.
 

So Big Ten teams don't have 5 years of Kill/Limegrover offense to study? The Gophers held back against TCU? If so that is just pathetic.

I won't disagree that they shutdown the playbook after Still's fumble, but the only other time I remember it being this painfully obvious was the San Jose St. game last year.

And most of us were happy with the season although I sure as hell wanted more like beat Illinois and win the bowl game. Believe these guys know what they're doing. You can bitch about them being stubborn or praise them for staying consistent and believing in themselves. Just think it's too early to get all negative like a bunch of people have done.
 

False.

We are two mistakes away from being 0-3.

No coach wants to be in that vulnerable position.

Jerry does like to keep the restrictor plate on during the non-con. But that's not what's going on.

Well I think it's possible they started out like this. However after the Still fumble I think the coaches became legitimately afraid of the offense losing game by continuing to make mistakes so they get even more conservative than they'd planned.
 

That may be the case they didn't want to show too much but it doesn't make a lot of sense in my view. It's not like apposing coaches can't look back at the last 5 years of offensive play calling.
 

That may be the case they didn't want to show too much but it doesn't make a lot of sense in my view. It's not like apposing coaches can't look back at the last 5 years of offensive play calling.

Agreed but regardless you should be able to trounce KSU with a vanilla offense, what we saw Saturday was beyond vanilla. To me what remains most concerning is how little inventiveness this staff employees in Bowl games or against the TCU's of the world, the scope is just so limited for the Power 5.
 

I don't buy this 'were holding our playbook back for B1G play' crap.... we've run basically the
same offense for the last 3-4 years with little to no change (other than the no-huddle), but
we've used that this year. All these teams know what we can run and what works.
There's nothing to hide. This is pure stubbornness that we're going
to run these plays whether they work or not until they work, or not.
 




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