Where do these guys come from?

[Block M]

Glove 731 and the others? Honestly, its like they only show up after a loss to tell us how bad the player and coaches suck. OK. Thats profound.

Season was lost once Nolen went down; plain and simple. Lost seven of eight since his absence and its no coincidence. But wait...he sucked too, right?

Finish out the year and get the freshman more PT. Also hope to God Tubby does not bolt.

 

[bga1]

Glove 731 and the others? Honestly, its like they only show up after a loss to tell us how bad the player and coaches suck. OK. Thats profound.

Season was lost once Nolen went down; plain and simple. Lost seven of eight since his absence and its no coincidence. But wait...he sucked too, right?

Finish out the year and get the freshman more PT. Also hope to God Tubby does not bolt.

Block M-

Face it,this has been a terribly frustrating year to watch. Nolen or no Nolen this team has been poorly coached. Even with Nolen every game, even all those wins were an adventure. The offense had never looked in sync. Few players improved over last year, one left and a few are worse. The players don't play with confidence or energy. And Tubby has stubbornly stuck with player combos that have simply not worked. Regardless of who these guys are the complaints are justified at this point. We have 8 million into a coach that is now 32-38 in the Big Ten and has not cracked 500 or had a 1st division finish. That bears a little scrutiny. I hope Tubby is back, but I also hope he returns feeling he has something to prove.

According to his press conferences everything he does is right- only the players fail. That's getting old and I'm afraid so is he.

 

[Moonlight]

Glove 731 and the others? Honestly, its like they only show up after a loss to tell us how bad the player and coaches suck. OK. Thats profound.

Season was lost once Nolen went down; plain and simple. Lost seven of eight since his absence and its no coincidence. But wait...he sucked too, right?

Finish out the year and get the freshman more PT. Also hope to God Tubby does not bolt.

I agree.

 

[KyGopherfan]

If Tubby bolts, Andre Hollins is a goner and so is probably Chip and a few others. It would not be good.

 

[scools12]

program in better shape now than the one Tubby took over but if he does bolt would it really matter? it may not be any better next year regardless. just not a talented bunch.

if he does leave the bar hasn't been set that high for the next coach.

 

[ethomasp31]

BGA, when nolan was playing, they beat North Carolina, West Virginia and Purdue and a TOP 15 team in the country. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Block M]

If Tubby leaves

The talent on this team flat lines for at least 2-3 years. We have some very nice kids lined up to play next year and many of them would leave if Tubby goes. We would be IU w/o the rabid fan support. Think about what happened to them when Sampson left. It would be worse here.

It should NOT come to pass. Tubby is the right man for this program in spite of a tough year in which options 1a and 1b at point guard burned up.

Tubby has been in the game long enough to do things the way he thinks they should be done. If the hacks want to criticize him for this, that, or the other, so be it. My hope is that he gives such criticism little thought.

 

[Breakin' The Plane]

BGA, when nolan was playing, they beat North Carolina, West Virginia and Purdue and a TOP 15 team in the country. What the hell are you talking about?

Nolen was also playing when they squandered a lead against a putrid Virginia team...at home. The Barn used to be one of the toughest places to play in the nation. Not any more.

 

[KyGopherfan]

Nolen was also playing when they squandered a lead against a putrid Virginia team...at home. The Barn used to be one of the toughest places to play in the nation. Not any more.

If you a real Gopher fan, you'd know that Nolen DID NOT play during the Virginia game. CHECKMATE.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

Tubby Has 3 More Years On His Contract

I'd expect him (and Minnesota) to honor it.

This year's team (a month ago) was 16-4 and ranked in Top 15.

The past month has been disappointing (to be sure). 1-7 could easily have been 5-3 in the last 8 games.

 

[bga1]

BGA, when nolan was playing, they beat North Carolina, West Virginia and Purdue and a TOP 15 team in the country. What the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about a team that looks poorly coached. I'm talking about a coach who has been using some bizarre substitution patterns all year and it was evident even when we were 12-1 and squeaking out games where we should have hammered teams. If you can't see that I doubt you have been attending or watching the games. Get this- I don't want Tubby gone. I want him back, I think he's good for the program. I think he had a lousy year. He should admit it, regroup and relook what he's been doing with this group. As far as Nolen being gone- too bad. You play with the players you have, you get credit for the players you put on the floor. In good years when you are lucky and have no injuries (which is rare) a coach gets full credit for the results. The guy is getting paid 2 mil a year to coach - I don't think this year was a 2 mil job.

 

[CentralGopher]

Block M-

Face it,this has been a terribly frustrating year to watch. Nolen or no Nolen this team has been poorly coached. Even with Nolen every game, even all those wins were an adventure. The offense had never looked in sync. Few players improved over last year, one left and a few are worse. The players don't play with confidence or energy. And Tubby has stubbornly stuck with player combos that have simply not worked. Regardless of who these guys are the complaints are justified at this point. We have 8 million into a coach that is now 32-38 in the Big Ten and has not cracked 500 or had a 1st division finish. That bears a little scrutiny. I hope Tubby is back, but I also hope he returns feeling he has something to prove.

According to his press conferences everything he does is right- only the players fail. That's getting old and I'm afraid so is he.

It is the players responsibility to execute and perform the way they were coached. I think it is obvious they are not doing that and do bear some responsibility. Tubby knows this and so do the players. Obviously you do not.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

I'm talking about a team that looks poorly coached. I'm talking about a coach who has been using some bizarre substitution patterns all year and it was evident even when we were 12-1 and squeaking out games where we should have hammered teams. If you can't see that I doubt you have been attending or watching the games. Get this- I don't want Tubby gone. I want him back, I think he's good for the program. I think he had a lousy year. He should admit it, regroup and relook what he's been doing with this group. As far as Nolen being gone- too bad. You play with the players you have, you get credit for the players you put on the floor. In good years when you are lucky and have no injuries (which is rare) a coach gets full credit for the results. The guy is getting paid 2 mil a year to coach - I don't think this year was a 2 mil job.

FWIW he did that (regroup) after 3 subpar years (averaging 23-10, only 2 SEC titles and 2 Sweet 16 in 3 years) in 2000-01-02. Those 3 years produced 69-30 record.

The next 3 years (2003-04-05) produced #1 W-L record (87-15, average 29-5 season) in Div I hoops. 2 #1 seeds in NCAA, #1 ranked team in 2003, 2 SEC titles and 2 SECT championships, 2 Elite 8 in NCAA play over 3 years.

Personally I think 2008 and 09 were good. But 2010 wasn't as good as it could have been and neither is 2011 over the past month.

I don't think Tubby Sucks (as some here do) nor do I think It's Saul's Fault (like a couple here do).

 

[beavergopher]

I'm talking about a team that looks poorly coached. I'm talking about a coach who has been using some bizarre substitution patterns all year and it was evident even when we were 12-1 and squeaking out games where we should have hammered teams. If you can't see that I doubt you have been attending or watching the games. Get this- I don't want Tubby gone. I want him back, I think he's good for the program. I think he had a lousy year. He should admit it, regroup and relook what he's been doing with this group. As far as Nolen being gone- too bad. You play with the players you have, you get credit for the players you put on the floor. In good years when you are lucky and have no injuries (which is rare) a coach gets full credit for the results. The guy is getting paid 2 mil a year to coach - I don't think this year was a 2 mil job.

Yes. We are not getting a good return on that type of money.

 

[ethomasp31]

Thank you KyGopherFan!!! The only losses this year when we had Nolan were at Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin. They were a top 15 team in the country with the easiest remaining Big Ten schedule remaining. This team would be 10-6 or 11-5 in the Big Ten right now if they would have had Nolan the last 8 games and cruising to a top 4 or 5 seed in the NCAA tournament.

 

[MaroonGopher]

Thank you KyGopherFan!!! The only losses this year when we had Nolan were at Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin. They were a top 15 team in the country with the easiest remaining Big Ten schedule remaining. This team would be 10-6 or 11-5 in the Big Ten right now if they would have had Nolan the last 8 games and cruising to a top 4 or 5 seed in the NCAA tournament.

And it doesn't disturb you one bit that this team relied so heavily on one player? Good teams don't have their entire fortune changed because of ONE player...

 

[gopherbadgerman]

I dont understand why people want Tubby to leave? This is a bottom 4 B10 job, and maybe a top 40-50 national one...do you really think MN is going to get a better coach? Yes its a bad year, but the grass is not always greener...

 

[Section201]

M

The talent on this team flat lines for at least 2-3 years. We have some very nice kids lined up to play next year and many of them would leave if Tubby goes. We would be IU w/o the rabid fan support. Think about what happened to them when Sampson left. It would be worse here.

It should NOT come to pass. Tubby is the right man for this program in spite of a tough year in which options 1a and 1b at point guard burned up.

Tubby has been in the game long enough to do things the way he thinks they should be done. If the hacks want to criticize him for this, that, or the other, so be it. My hope is that he gives such criticism little thought.

Agreed.

+1

 

[scools12]

FWIW he did that (regroup) after 3 subpar years (averaging 23-10, only 2 SEC titles and 2 Sweet 16 in 3 years) in 2000-01-02. Those 3 years produced 69-30 record.

The next 3 years (2003-04-05) produced #1 W-L record (87-15, average 29-5 season) in Div I hoops. 2 #1 seeds in NCAA, #1 ranked team in 2003, 2 SEC titles and 2 SECT championships, 2 Elite 8 in NCAA play over 3 years.

Personally I think 2008 and 09 were good. But 2010 wasn't as good as it could have been and neither is 2011 over the past month.

I don't think Tubby Sucks (as some here do) nor do I think It's Saul's Fault (like a couple here do).

I don't think Tubby sucks and have no idea if Saul sucks or not but your stats for 2003-04-05 will not be duplicated here if that is in fact your assertion that Tubby will regroup to the same level. Tubby will never be able to recruit the same type of talent to Minnesota as he was able to at Kentucky.

he says he systems works and history proves him as a winner. however he will never have the talent at Minnesota to reach the same level he did at Kentucky. Minnesota is and will continue to be a middling B10 team that every few years makes a couple of NCAAs regardless of who the coach is.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

I don't think Tubby sucks and have no idea if Saul sucks are not but your stats for 2003-04-05 will not be duplicated here if that is in fact your assertion that Tubby will regroup to the same level. Tubby will never be able to recruit the same type of talent to Minnesota as he was able to at Kentucky.

he says he systems works and history proves him as a winner. however he will never have the talent at Minnesota to reach the same level he did at Kentucky. Minnesota is and will continue to be a middling B10 team that every few years makes a couple of NCAAs regardless of who the coach is.

It is not my intention to say he'll win at that (85%) level here.

It IS my belief that he can improve by 10% or more (W-L %) over the next 3 years compared to the last 3 years (counting 2011). So far in 2011 plus 2009 and 2010, the Gophers are 60-36 (62.5%). I THINK the Gophers can W at 70% to 75% level in 2012-13-14.

 

[Dr.Don]

FOT, you are NOT ALLOWED to THINK about being optimistic on the GopherHole.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

FOT, you are NOT ALLOWED to THINK about being optimistic on the GopherHole.

I realize that.

I saw the same kind of crap by some Purdue "fans' as Coach Keady struggled in mid 2000's. Here's a guy who did wonders for 20+ seasons at my alma mater but then (all of sudden) Keady Sucks due to a few "off" years. I like Matt Painter A LOT but Coach Keady deserved better than he got.

PS Keady is a factor in the success of St Johns basketball this season, I think.

 

[GoFerit]

I think he had a lousy year. He should admit it, regroup and relook what he's been doing with this group. As far as Nolen being gone- too bad. You play with the players you have, you get credit for the players you put on the floor. In good years when you are lucky and have no injuries (which is rare) a coach gets full credit for the results. The guy is getting paid 2 mil a year to coach - I don't think this year was a 2 mil job.

Regarding Tubby admitting having a lousy year or “taking the blame” at the juncture of the season you expressed in other posts, I have a different opinion.

A coach is supposed to take the blame when things go wrong. Period. It is the unwritten rule as the general takes responsibility of a defeat in the battlefield. However, whether or not a coach/a general confirms the defeat and therefore changes the whole strategy without any conclusive evidence and a superior option/a better plan in the middle of a season/a campaign is quite another. In fact, it is the last thing a coach/a general should do as it can actually worsen the situation by demoralizing your men and inviting more criticism/distractions from the media in the middle of a season.

Then, do we have truly conclusive evidence that 1) Tubby’s way is not working, or 2) Tubby has a superior option to handle the situation? I do not believe so. We were not consistently getting blown out or man-handled by the “fairly matched” opponents since Nolen went down. We actually were in contention to win many. Things simply didn’t work out favorably for us. However, my opinion is that it does not constitute conclusive evidence against Tubby’s plan, and he should not second-guess himself and his strategy at the juncture of the season. Then, did Tubby have a superior option or a better backup plan? Given the roster, I honestly cannot say aye to that.

Basketball is not a science. So, one’s well informed opinion is as good as that of anyone else including a coach’s. Therefore, I do not believe that some opinions against Tubby in the Hole are wrong. Basketball analyses are mostly ex post facto. In that sense, Tubby could have done a few things differently based on the hindsight. However, at the time of decision making, I firmly believe Tubby did what he could and should. It is just that things have not worked out as well as they should have in all probability.

Hence, Tubby admitting a lousy year or taking the blame at the juncture of the season, I believe, is rather pointless.

BTW, to a coach and players, a season is not done until they have played the very last game.

 

[GoFerit]

Block M-

Face it,this has been a terribly frustrating year to watch. Nolen or no Nolen this team has been poorly coached. Even with Nolen every game, even all those wins were an adventure. The offense had never looked in sync. Few players improved over last year, one left and a few are worse. The players don't play with confidence or energy. And Tubby has stubbornly stuck with player combos that have simply not worked. Regardless of who these guys are the complaints are justified at this point. We have 8 million into a coach that is now 32-38 in the Big Ten and has not cracked 500 or had a 1st division finish. That bears a little scrutiny. I hope Tubby is back, but I also hope he returns feeling he has something to prove.

According to his press conferences everything he does is right- only the players fail. That's getting old and I'm afraid so is he.

Criticism can be productive and positively additive. A lot of the posters the OP mentions do nothing more than bitching and even counterproductive. Yes, they are entitled to it as you say. Positively annoying wihtout adding much, nonetheless.

 

[Glove371]

Glove 731 and the others? Honestly, its like they only show up after a loss to tell us how bad the player and coaches suck. OK. Thats profound.

Season was lost once Nolen went down; plain and simple. Lost seven of eight since his absence and its no coincidence. But wait...he sucked too, right?

Finish out the year and get the freshman more PT. Also hope to God Tubby does not bolt.

Actually read what I posted. It is frustration. It is common sense. It is true. If you disagree, you are delusional.

Where do these people come from? -- unlike yourself I don't feel a need to post all the time. I have been on gopherhole for about 8-10 years, but rarely ever feel the need or have the desire to post. I like to simply read whats going on and follow the program, but yesterday after that terrible loss after weeks of watching terrible basketball and terrible coaching it was boiling over. this team is garbage, and not just because of untimely injuries. There are other factors at play here.

 

[Glove371]

And for what its worth, I do like Tubby as a coach....partly because we definitely won't be getting anyone better to coach, he does attract attention to the program and has a strong pedigree--BUT, this season has not been his finest job. This was supposed to be the year the program finally turns the corner, but they actually went back. AND it is not all due to an injury to nolen.

 

[Friend Of Tubby]

And for what its worth, I do like Tubby as a coach....partly because we definitely won't be getting anyone better to coach, he does attract attention to the program and has a strong pedigree--BUT, this season has not been his finest job. This was supposed to be the year the program finally turns the corner, but they actually went back. AND it is not all due to an injury to nolen.

Last sentence is correct. Injuries to Nolen AND Walker, transfer by Devoe Joseph, and forced (by NCAA) redshirt by Osenieks.

Gophers were 21-14 last year. They are 17-11 now. Gophers finished regular season 18-12 last year. Too early to say whether they went back or not.

 

[Unregistered User]

And it doesn't disturb you one bit that this team relied so heavily on one player? Good teams don't have their entire fortune changed because of ONE player...

Totally false argument there, but that's not really why you're here, is it?

 

[Glove371]

Last sentence is correct. Injuries to Nolen AND Walker, transfer by Devoe Joseph, and forced (by NCAA) redshirt by Osenieks.

Gophers were 21-14 last year. They are 17-11 now. Gophers finished regular season 18-12 last year. Too early to say whether they went back or not.

FOT, I actually respect your posts and contributions (which is rare-there are only a few decently credible posters on this site); however, there are some flaws in that thought.

The injury to Walker and the redshirt by Osenieks are very very minimal in comparison to other problems this season. Our largest problem has been guard depth. To respect the problem, you have to find the reason. The reason for Devoe transferring is hard, because part of it has to do with his own egotism, yet the other part has to do with Tubby. Furthermore, the one thing that really bothers me on this site is that NO ONE talks about the departure of Cobbs. He obviously wasn't a large contribution last year, but still played 10+ minutes a game on a tournament team. He is significantly better than our current PG options (at PG), and would have been able to fill the gap at least as a distributor this season when Nolen went out (and we could finally bench Mav). He DID transfer because of Tubby. Additionally, the failure of the staff to recruit any decent back court depth is a HUGE problem. Teams have to be prepared for injuries, and this team was not.

Also, in regards to going back...I'm judging purely on performance and the product that we have had to watch. They are not good.

 

[underground629]

You're right. We only lost Nolen this year. Good thing Devoe didn't transfer or anything...

People like you bring down the quality of this board. Go away.

And it doesn't disturb you one bit that this team relied so heavily on one player? Good teams don't have their entire fortune changed because of ONE player...