What would you say if this was Brew's first year?

[Governor Sibley]

It's an interesting thought experiment, no?

The observer would note that our team:

1) Has as its strongest unit its offensive line.

2) Is seriously committed to learning how to run the ball.

3) Appears to have most of its young talent on the defensive side of the ball.

4) Plays conservatively; tries to hold on to the ball; doesn't play outside its capacities.

5) Crafts gameplans that do not get ditched; coaches thus appear confident in their weekly preparation.

So what would you say? If this was Year One I would say....

 

[Maximus]

I'd say I can't believe we hired someone who's never been a head coach or a coordinator.

 

[Rescooter]

I would tell Brewster 2 that he's worse than the previous 3 years of Brewster 1.

 

[wels0081]

I'd say: "3 years from now we'd better be winning these close games against inferior opponents or this Brewster guy isn't going to be around very long."

Oh wait. That is exactly what I said 3 years ago.

 

[Wheaton]

I'd say: "3 years from now we'd better be winning these close games against inferior opponents or this Brewster guy isn't going to be around very long."

Oh wait. That is exactly what I said 3 years ago.

Wow, I couldn't of said it any better.

This might end up being just like Brew's first year if we can't pull off one upset within the next month and a half

 

[kellyleeks]

It's an interesting thought experiment, no?

The observer would note that our team:

1) Has as its strongest unit its offensive line.

2) Is seriously committed to learning how to run the ball.

3) Appears to have most of its young talent on the defensive side of the ball.

4) Plays conservatively; tries to hold on to the ball; doesn't play outside its capacities.

5) Crafts gameplans that do not get ditched; coaches thus appear confident in their weekly preparation.

So what would you say? If this was Year One I would say....

Can't disagree. It seems as if most fans believe that a new coach should get 4-5 years and if they don't reach a certain level of success they should be fired. While I don't necessarily disagree, I don't think that should apply to a guy like Brewster. We hired Brewster because he was cheap. I really having trouble bashing Brewster (yeah, I get frustrated and take the occasional shot) when he despite our media and fan base he is so energetic and positive. He was put in (or took) a position he did not have adequate experience for, which makes me think the fingers should be pointed at Joel.

Back to your point, in a sense this is kind of his first year and I wonder if Joel does not have lesser expectations for him due to knowingly hiring an unproven and inexperienced guy. Because of this I think Brew may still be walking the sidelines next year at TCF.

 

[Governor Sibley]

I'd say: "3 years from now we'd better be winning these close games.

I think Brew may still be walking the sidelines next year at TCF.

I almost kinda partially agree Leeks. Hey, how's your wife and my kid anyways?

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

I'd say he was headed for a 2-10 season and that, despite some bright spots, was 92nd in defense, nationally, and would never be able to compete with Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

 

[Khaliq]

I almost kinda partially agree Leeks. Hey, how's your wife and my kid anyways?

I thought Rick Mons' wife had your kid?

 

[Bengals]

Can't disagree. It seems as if most fans believe that a new coach should get 4-5 years and if they don't reach a certain level of success they should be fired. While I don't necessarily disagree, I don't think that should apply to a guy like Brewster. We hired Brewster because he was cheap. I really having trouble bashing Brewster (yeah, I get frustrated and take the occasional shot) when he despite our media and fan base he is so energetic and positive. He was put in (or took) a position he did not have adequate experience for, which makes me think the fingers should be pointed at Joel.

Back to your point, in a sense this is kind of his first year and I wonder if Joel does not have lesser expectations for him due to knowingly hiring an unproven and inexperienced guy. Because of this I think Brew may still be walking the sidelines next year at TCF.

What the ?

 

[imthewalrus]

Originally Posted by Studwell55
It's an interesting thought experiment, no?

The observer would note that our team:

(The new coach MUST be expected to evaluate the existing talent and attempt to maximize that talent's potential.)*****

1) Has as its strongest unit its offensive line.

2) Is seriously committed to learning how to run the ball.

3) Appears to have most of its young talent on the defensive side of the ball.

4) Plays conservatively; tries to hold on to the ball; doesn't play outside its capacities.

5) Crafts gameplans that do not get ditched; coaches thus appear confident in their weekly preparation.

So what would you say? If this was Year One I would say....



I would have to add a point to the top of your list and would move each of your points down a number. The point I would add at the top would be this incredibly important point:

The new coach MUST be expected to evaluate the existing talent and attempt to maximize that talent's potential.

I would then add your five points.

The thing is: brewster didn't do any of those things. He wiffed and fell flat on his face in year 1. 0-8 in Big Ten play and 1-11 over all. It was all over for him by the end of that first season. He had NO chance of succeeding. Why? Because he totally failed to evaluate the talent that he did have. Also, he didn't use your five points either Studwell55.

My chief concern is the fact that I want maturi to NEVER hire a new football coach again. However, I don't think that the lame duck prexy b and maturi can sell Brewster any longer. In many ways I would rather see brewster return next year than to have maturi and prexy b hire another football coach. But, depending what happens during the final seven games, the state of Minnesota might be SO disgusted with brewster that prexy b and maturi might be forced to make a move.

If so, I want to see them just announce the brewsterectomy at least two weeks before the iowa game. The Gophers have their bye before the Iowa game, so there would be almost a two week window of opportunity for them to throw brewster under the bus. They could name the offensive coordinator as acting coach and he would have two weeks to do damage control and put together a game plan for Iowa.

I believe the fans just may rally 'round the program and hopefully, there won't be mass sales of game tickets to Iowa fans. Perhaps the student section would even show...but...if it's cold, I doubt it.

It is maturi and prexy b that need to be kept out of the mix for the good of the program. And, I do fear that the general public is so revved up and riled up against Brewster that for the good of the program he must be tokenly offered up on the sacrificial alter and Horton must drive the 2010 season on home without him.

No coach can ever be allowed to have more than 1 one and eleven season (zero and eight in Big Ten play) in a Big Ten Program. I would highly suggest to the new prexy/prexyette that the number ONE priority for a new coach would need to be the ability to assess the talent available when that coach accepts the call to rebuild and coach the University of Minnesota failed brewball experiment and thenplace the existing talent in offensive and defensive schemes that maximize their talent. I just don't think the prexy or his ad can sell brewster ANY longer than the 11th game of the 2010 seson.

 

[thailleagle]

It's funny because if this were his first year I'd be just as pissed about the USD game as I was about FAU & would think this wasn't the right guy for the job...

 

[Rosemountian]

"What are the chances we hired two coaches in a row with the exact same name?"

 

[EG#9]

I'd say the offense is way too conservative...you better have a DOMINANT defense if you are going to play the run between the tackles and punt game. I'd question why the team is insistent on continually giving the ball to backs who won't threaten the Big Ten with their power or speed. We don't scare anyone on either side of the ball right now. We can't run against good teams, but we will keep trying which limits our opportunities to score. We can't stop the pass or run defensively and we look very disorganized.

 

[Paulie Star]

God rest his soul but I would say that Jim Wacker even though he passed away could coach a better game than Tim Brewster.

On Saturday when the Gophers actually looked alive at the start of the third quarter although not for long my section was all saying who did the Gophers switch the play calling to and another quote was that they must be using Mike Mangino playbook.

 

[RodentRampage]

But it's NOT year 1. It's year 4. If this was year one, I wouldn't expect him to be fired, but in year 4... if he's here next year, there will be a LOT of non-renewals for season tickets. Brewster made a mistake in 07 in abandoning the offense to make such a radical change. Yes, by 06, the offense wasn't what it had been in previous years. But it was the defense that needed work. Had he kept the offense intact and focused on the defense, he might well be coming back in 2011.

 

[Mulligan]

Question for Studwell

Studwell, You're one of the posters about football I pay attention to because I do think you've had football experience above a high school level. You don't just sputter and vent and say stupid things, and you don't keep hammering the same thing over and over again. You were the first one I really noticed who made the point there was no system or philosophy which Brwster was building on. Now you seem to think he's got one in place.

I've changed and pretty much agree with the conclusion around here Brewster's is gone and we need to start over. However, I think the opinions of the big boosters and "M" men are much more important than the views of anonymous posters on this forum. The only way the average fan is going to influence this decision is by staying away which I think is going to happen more and more. Can't ask an "M" man so I'll ask you.

My question. Based on your observations, if the team keeps playing hard and being in games, how upset would you be if Brewster's is brought back even though he might have only 1 to 3 wins this year? This is providing there are no more total blowouts. There can't be any more bad losses because any win now will be a surprise.

 

[Ewert86PC]

If this were Brewster's first year, I would say "We are doomed once the "new" Big Ten starts next year."

 

[glovedgopher]

Studwell, You're one of the posters about football I pay attention to because I do think you've had football experience above a high school level. You don't just sputter and vent and say stupid things, and you don't keep hammering the same thing over and over again. You were the first one I really noticed who made the point there was no system or philosophy which Brwster was building on. Now you seem to think he's got one in place.

I've changed and pretty much agree with the conclusion around here Brewster's is gone and we need to start over. However, I think the opinions of the big boosters and "M" men are much more important than the views of anonymous posters on this forum. The only way the average fan is going to influence this decision is by staying away which I think is going to happen more and more. Can't ask an "M" man so I'll ask you.

My question. Based on your observations, if the team keeps playing hard and being in games, how upset would you be if Brewster's is brought back even though he might have only 1 to 3 wins this year? This is providing there are no more total blowouts. There can't be any more bad losses because any win now will be a surprise.

I don't think Studwell supports Brew. He is just playing devil's advocate. Read his last sentence and notice the emoticon.

 

[Plinnius]

Had he kept the offense intact and focused on the defense, he might well be coming back in 2011.

By signing more JUCOs?

 

[WilliamsArenaGuy]

I'd say the offense is way too conservative...you better have a DOMINANT defense if you are going to play the run between the tackles and punt game. I'd question why the team is insistent on continually giving the ball to backs who won't threaten the Big Ten with their power or speed. We don't scare anyone on either side of the ball right now. We can't run against good teams, but we will keep trying which limits our opportunities to score. We can't stop the pass or run defensively and we look very disorganized.

Exactly. That's why the game plan against USC wasn't very good. Yeah we were up in the 3rd quarter. We still lost going away. Maybe we would have been up by two touchdowns if we had tried anything at all earlier in the game. We have an atrocious D and need to try to outscore teams with our veteran QB the coach so vehemently supports.

It would be one thing if we could actually run when necessary against good teams, but we cannot.

Ditching the spread after 2 years just when the guys he recruited were about to start playing was the end for Brewster. He has been playing catch-up and reacting ever since. If we ran the spread right now and Marqueis Gray was our QB, there is a chance this team could really be coming into it's own, at least on offense.

Instead, they've been a mess for two years, and he is going to get fired without ever even attempting to play the biggest recruit he landed.

 

[Plinnius]

If we ran the spread right now and Marqueis Gray was our QB, there is a chance this team could really be coming into it's own, at least on offense.

Or Marqueis Gray would be Jordan Jefferson 2.0 and the offense would be worse than ever. Also, we would have the same shoddy o-line.

 

[dpodoll68]

Or Marqueis Gray would be Jordan Jefferson 2.0

Oh, you mean the Jordan Jefferson who is 13-4 as a starter? Yeah, I'd just hate it if MarQueis Gray turned out like him.

 

[Great Plains Gopher]

WilliamsArenaGuy,

Good point. What would we be like today if Gray was running the spread? Probably better than we are - though the defense would still be giving up 450 yards to opponent QBs. Still, it would be exciting, and I say that as one who would have preferred not taking up the spread in the first place. With the right people, though (Oregon, Saturday night), it is a thing of beauty.

 

[WilliamsArenaGuy]

Or Marqueis Gray would be Jordan Jefferson 2.0 and the offense would be worse than ever. Also, we would have the same shoddy o-line.

I know you're a really smart guy, but I didn't say we would be better. I am saying if Brewster is going to come here and run something and recruit for it, going away from it after two seasons is stupid. I don't personally see how we could be any worse right now if he had stuck with it.

But they might be better, and they might even be building something. There is no way to know. All we know is what we are now--which is a joke of a program with a coach that is almost certain to be fired.

He was done as a coach when he ditched his philosophy after two seasons. I felt that way then but tried to hold out hope like a good fan. Looking back now, that was the moment I kind of figured he wasn't the answer. The South Dakota game this year is when it was cemented.

 

[WilliamsArenaGuy]

And also, if we have a shoddy o-line, don't we want a QB that can run and improvise? About all we know about Gray is he can definitely run.

 

[Maximus]

Exactly. That's why the game plan against USC wasn't very good. Yeah we were up in the 3rd quarter. We still lost going away. Maybe we would have been up by two touchdowns if we had tried anything at all earlier in the game. We have an atrocious D and need to try to outscore teams with our veteran QB the coach so vehemently supports.

Based on posts at Gopherhole, you want "the worst college quarterback in history" to try and win a track meet with the USC Trojans?

If the special teams does its job on the ensuing kickoff, it's a different ball game.

The D was being kept off the field by the game plan and it resulted in USC scoring fewer points than either South Dakota or Northern Illinois.

 

[Plinnius]

Oh, you mean the Jordan Jefferson who is 13-4 as a starter? Yeah, I'd just hate it if MarQueis Gray turned out like him.

Yes, because it's LSU's anemic offense that wins them games.

 

[Plinnius]

And also, if we have a shoddy o-line, don't we want a QB that can run and improvise? About all we know about Gray is he can definitely run.

No, what I meant was that our o-line would prevent the offense from being any good.

 

[dpodoll68]

Yes, because it's LSU's anemic offense that wins them games.

Offenses can lose you games that your defenses have won for you. The fact that he's won 76.5% of his games as a starter tells me he's at least doing something right.