With Curry out, Fitzgerald still shaking off the rust, Dupree recovering, and IW and Harris still learning the ropes, this wasnt a good year for us to start the B1G in early December.
Not thinking of it as an 'excuse'. Excuses from a fan mean zero. (As does saying losses are 'unacceptable')That's too easy of an excuse. Nebraska had 3 contributors from last year's team transfer out. And how many are they breaking in this year? At least 3. ... Copeland, Palmer, Allen.
It's one loss, it's not all doom & gloom, but when the schedulers hand a presumed title contender a Rutgers (H) & Nebraska (A) December start to the season -- the projected bottom two teams -- it's a setback to go 1-1. In all likelihood, last night was the Gophers' most winnable conference road game of the season. Opportunity missed.
In all likelihood, last night was the Gophers' most winnable conference road game of the season. Opportunity missed.
If last night was their most winnable conference road game the Gophers have left themselves with no margin of error at home in the conference season.
I think what we saw last night is the Gophers are not one of the top 15 teams in the country.
I seem to recall basing called, essentially, an idiot for being very concerned after the Miami game.
Let me hear again how that take was terrible.
That's too easy of an excuse. Nebraska had 3 contributors from last year's team transfer out. And how many are they breaking in this year? At least 3. ... Copeland, Palmer, Allen.
It's one loss, it's not all doom & gloom, but when the schedulers hand a presumed title contender a Rutgers (H) & Nebraska (A) December start to the season -- the projected bottom two teams -- it's a setback to go 1-1 with that gift. In all likelihood, last night was the Gophers' most winnable conference road game of the season. Opportunity missed.
You always have teachable moments no matter how good you are. There are always going to be times where you don't perform optimally. These can be corrected...or you can pout and whine. This staff doesn't strike me as a pout and whine group.How long until losses aren't "teachable moments," anymore, and are things that should carry some weight/consequence? Honest question.
The team/coaching staff can't keep playing the inexperienced card forever. At some point they're just not as good as we thought.
How long until losses aren't "teachable moments," anymore, and are things that should carry some weight/consequence? Honest question.
The team/coaching staff can't keep playing the inexperienced card forever. At some point they're just not as good as we thought.
I agree. But it is really hard to be good in every game all year.Like many, I was about to throw my phone at the TV last night because of the refs in the first half. I haven't seen a more one-sided half of reffing against the Gophers like that in quite some time. That said, you don't deserve to win when you shoot 30% for the game, and let the other team shoot almost 60% in the second half. I'm very disappointed in the loss, but I'm more disappointed in our starting upperclassman. The team played like they didn't care last night, like the victory was going to be handed to them. I cannot believe this veteran starting lineup wasn't ready to play a Big Ten road game. Some of this falls on Pitino (for again getting outcoached by Miles), but most of it falls on those players. They know anything can happen in the Big Ten. This loss makes Saturday a crucial game if they want the chance of a high seed in the NCAA tournament. Really good wins are going to be rare in the conference this year.
It's only one game, but I hope that is the last time this year we see this team play unmotivated, uninspired, and lethargic.
But, to be fair, you already knew that.
Tim Miles is an excellent coach, someone I know many people here would have loved to have had here as ours.
With Curry out, Fitzgerald still shaking off the rust, Dupree recovering, and IW and Harris still learning the ropes, this wasnt a good year for us to start the B1G in early December.
I agree. But it is really hard to be good in every game all year.
Which is why a team of 5 players is going to have consistency issues.
I am starting to think of this team more as a 4-7 seed that can make a run rather than a top 2 seed.
We have the talent to beat anyone in the country. We don’t have the depth to consistently beat every middle of the pack team. At our best we are top 10. When a couple of starters have an off game we can lose to anyone in the top 2/3rd of the country.
Murphy, Mason, Lynch, and Coffey all played below their average level of play last night. McBrayer May have too. If we had depth we could survive that. With no depth, you can’t.
We will probably drop another few games we shouldn’t this year. I was thinking 14-4 or 15-3
I’m now thinking 12-6 or 11-7.
If we go 11-7 in conference, we're going to need at least a couple wins in the B1G tournament to even make the NCAA tournament. Hell, if we lose to Arkansas and go 12-6 in conference, we STILL might need a win or two in the B1G tournament to make the NCAA tournament.
This is one of the more ridiculous, hyperbolic statements I've read in awhile. Wow. You think a 12-6 (or even 11-7) BT team has any chance of being left out? Let me get some of whatever you're smoking.
If we lose to Arkansas, go 11-7 in conference and lose our first game in the B1G tournament, our RPI won't be in the top 50. If that happens and we don't beat Michigan State or Purdue, we'll have 2 or 3 top 50 wins. Our resume would look very similar to Houston's last year...who was a 2 seed in NIT. The B1G isn't much better than the Mtn. West at this point. Which is why it's critical for the league to pick up some much needed wins the rest of OOC, but I don't think it'll happen. If we lose at Arkansas we HAVE to be 12-6 in conference to feel safe, and even then nothing is guaranteed if we lose in the first round of the B1G tournament. If we go 23-9(12-6, with a B1G first round loss), we'll be an 11, possibly end up in Dayton.
Back away from the ledge. A 22-8, 11-7 B1G team that has at least two decent non-conference win is not even on the bubble, let alone missing the tournament. It seems like everyone always massively over-estimates what it takes until the week before, then acts shocked at how bad the bubble teams are. The B1G has not had a great start, but let's not act like we're suddenly the Missouri Valley. Also, while the # of really good teams is small, if Nebraska is really the worst team in the conference, that says something too.
Back away from the ledge. A 22-9, 11-7 B1G team that has at least two decent non-conference win is not even on the bubble, let alone missing the tournament. It seems like everyone always massively over-estimates what it takes until the week before, then acts shocked at how bad the bubble teams are. The B1G has not had a great start, but let's not act like we're suddenly the Missouri Valley. Also, while the top of the conference isn't great, if Nebraska is really the worst team in the conference, that says something too.
So we're already on bubble watch after losing one B1G game? Some of you need to get a grip.
Just trying to project forward, not sure what's wrong with that? Obviously if we go like 16-2 in the B1G we won't be. Just trying to be as realistic as possible with the expectations and potential records and what it all means. Arkansas game is very key. B1G missed out on yet another OOC scalp with Wisconsin losing to Temple.
Just curious what makes you such a big Miles fan ? He is a incredibly nice man but his career record defines mediocre.
Just trying to project forward, not sure what's wrong with that? Obviously if we go like 16-2 in the B1G we won't be. Just trying to be as realistic as possible with the expectations and potential records and what it all means. Arkansas game is very key. B1G missed out on yet another OOC scalp with Wisconsin losing to Temple.
In your scenario we'd have an RPI in the mid 40's, with an SOS of 90. I'm not sure how we'd be anything but on the bubble at that point? No the conference isn't the MVC, but it's only slightly better than the AAC this year and that conference is historically a 3/4 bid league.
Did you hear that Kansas and Florida are discontinuing their basketball programs after tonight's home losses to unranked teams?
He's taken teams that were bad and even terrible and turned them around into very good teams. He is also a very good recruiter imo. Not necessarily based on stars since this is the first stop where he has an ability to get higher rated recruits but he has been able to find players that are very talented at every level he has been at. He took a garbage SSU team and turned it into an elite eight team which pretty good in my book if you know anything about the team prior to his arrival in Marshall.
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It's the bubble talk that is wrong. Let's wait until the world is falling apart to speculate further.