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Kill came in here and said that this is more like SIU then NIU. After seeing the team on the field he told his staff that they may have made a mistake in taking on such a rebuilding job. Some call it lowing expectations and others call it telling it as it is.

Kill says time and time again that we need "Football Players". What does that mean? To me it means the following.

If they are a football player they know the game and pick up on things faster. This allows them to handle many other things more easily like school, free time, and the demands of Kill and staff. For example Kill says they are doing better in the classroom. Maybe this is taking away from the ability of the players on the field because they are getting too much info. Just a thought.

It also allows for staff to be more complicated and move kids around to different positions and have more success. It adds to versatility in the roster.

Kill is truly changing a culture here. I know people hate Wisconsin comparisons, but they have football players and a consistent culture system. After a couple series of feeling out the NE offense, they played flawless football. A football culture breeds itself. Their OC turned down $1m to go to Texas to stay a part of that culture.

Kill needs football players. When he finds them on this roster and recruits more the on field performance will change. If you have less talent but football players who are fundamental and play their role, you can stay close and compete in most games.

An example I have of what I saw in the Spring. I watched D-line drills as they worked on some basic techniques. I swear some of the guys couldn't even figure out right from left. Unfortunately is was the "more talented/more stars" guys that were having the most problems. Some of these guys are just not "football players."
 


Kill needs help from down the hall to accomplish this.
 

Kill thinks he made a mistake by taking this job? I'm willing to let him take a mulligan and go back to the FCS level where he can be competitive.
 

And this is why we will have to be patient. He just said on the Sports Huddle this morning that it's not going to take just 1 year or 2 years or 3 years or even 4 years to get this thing right and turned around and have our own Minnesota football culture. He referenced that where he wants to be is where Wisconsin and Nebraska are at. And after seeing some of that game last night - yeah, we are years away from that level.

Problem is - what is our fan base going to look like as time goes on and the results aren't there, even if the foundation is being built?
 


"the excuse shop is closed"


"you can't control talent, speed, strengths, the weather....but you can control your preparation, your effort, doing the little things"

-my high school football coach
 

Rosemountain it is clear from your posts that you don't or didn't like the Kill hire. I imagine though if Kill does evently get this thing turnaround you will be one of the people coming out of the woodwork saying you knew it the whole time that Kill would get this done.

probably were one of the people that thought this team was going to beat Michigan, Iowa, Illinois and Northwestern this year and get to 7 wins.
 

I thought they'd get to 5 this year by beating purdue and Illinois. I also thought Illinois would be terrible this year. So even if we were 3-2 right now I'd be revising my prediction down to 4 wins.


I thought it was a bad hire on the day I heard the name. Decided to give them a chance and not go negative. It has been an embarrassment thus far.

I didn't like hiring a guy that was coming off getting badly outcoached in the Mac title game. I didn't like hiring a coach with an aw shucks persona.


If he succeeds why would I claim I knew it the whole time?
I think he might have a little success. I think we might win this week. I don't think this staff will ever get this program over the top. If they do I'll be pleasantly suprised. Why would I try to take credit for knowing though. Who cares who knew?
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Kill came in here and said that this is more like SIU then NIU. After seeing the team on the field he told his staff that they may have made a mistake in taking on such a rebuilding job. Some call it lowing expectations and others call it telling it as it is.

Kill says time and time again that we need "Football Players". What does that mean? To me it means the following.

If they are a football player they know the game and pick up on things faster. This allows them to handle many other things more easily like school, free time, and the demands of Kill and staff. For example Kill says they are doing better in the classroom. Maybe this is taking away from the ability of the players on the field because they are getting too much info. Just a thought.

It also allows for staff to be more complicated and move kids around to different positions and have more success. It adds to versatility in the roster.

Kill is truly changing a culture here. I know people hate Wisconsin comparisons, but they have football players and a consistent culture system. After a couple series of feeling out the NE offense, they played flawless football. A football culture breeds itself. Their OC turned down $1m to go to Texas to stay a part of that culture.

Kill needs football players. When he finds them on this roster and recruits more the on field performance will change. If you have less talent but football players who are fundamental and play their role, you can stay close and compete in most games.

An example I have of what I saw in the Spring. I watched D-line drills as they worked on some basic techniques. I swear some of the guys couldn't even figure out right from left. Unfortunately is was the "more talented/more stars" guys that were having the most problems. Some of these guys are just not "football players."
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Wait, wait, wait...

so are you saying that rivals, et al. rank high school players based solely on things like: height, weight, 40 time, bench/squat max and the ability to dominate some hapless high school player without using a shred of technique and completely disregard: if he plays with proper football techniques, if he has the ability to learn and implement proper football techniques, the complexity of the football scheme at his high school, the level of competition he played in high school and the ability to learn a complex college football scheme??

Come on....really??
 



Rosemountian said:
I thought they'd get to 5 this year by beating purdue and Illinois. I also thought Illinois would be terrible this year. So even if we were 3-2 right now I'd be revising my prediction down to 4 wins.


I thought it was a bad hire on the day I heard the name. Decided to give them a chance and not go negative. It has been an embarrassment thus far.

I didn't like hiring a guy that was coming off getting badly outcoached in the Mac title game. I didn't like hiring a coach with an aw shucks persona.


If he succeeds why would I claim I knew it the whole time?
I think he might have a little success. I think we might win this week. I don't think this staff will ever get this program over the top. If they do I'll be pleasantly suprised. Why would I try to take credit for knowing though. Who cares who knew?
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if i am not mistaken, i don't believe coach kill was present for and still on the NIU staff when they played in their bowl game at the very end of last season. believe he had already made the move to minnesota official.
 

Rosemountian said:
I thought it was a bad hire on the day I heard the name. Decided to give them a chance and not go negative. It has been an embarrassment thus far.

I didn't like hiring a guy that was coming off getting badly outcoached in the Mac title game. I didn't like hiring a coach with an aw shucks persona.
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fair enough points. so far other than the 2nd half of the USC game Kill and his staff have looked overmatahced. that is on them.

1 spring and fall camps plus 5 games IMO is not enough of a sample size to be overly concerned at this point. somehow this team has to get a win in B1G play. even if they don't doesn't mean this staff is overmatched. it will take at least 2 or 3 full seasons before we know that.

hard to be patient but it is what it is. 40 years of being irrelevant and Mason came close but he had 10 years. Kill and staff get this done? that remains to be seen.
 

supadupafly said:
if i am not mistaken, i don't believe coach kill was present for and still on the NIU staff when they played in their bowl game at the very end of last season. believe he had already made the move to minnesota official.
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I am Talking about the Mac championship game not the bowl game.
Close game, but IMO the northern Illinois staff was badly outcoached.
 

The stars ranking system in rivals is 100% based on potential at the NCAA level. So yes, on field performance against substandard competition will be marginalized (not completely but mostly) in favor of 40 times, bench, camp performance etc where technique is a much larger part of the evaluation process.

That is why players like Decker who never got invited to Nike camps and Tx or Fl camps was not sufficiently evaluated...and while he was very successful against shoddy MN talent in HS...it didn't translate into high stars. Take McNeal on the other hand...had great measurables at camps and was rewarded with more stars...but hasn't done anything in college and was beaten out this year by a true FR at Clemson before he quit.


BisonGopher said:
Wait, wait, wait...

so are you saying that rivals, et al. rank high school players based solely on things like: height, weight, 40 time, bench/squat max and the ability to dominate some hapless high school player without using a shred of technique and completely disregard: if he plays with proper football techniques, if he has the ability to learn and implement proper football techniques, the complexity of the football scheme at his high school, the level of competition he played in high school and the ability to learn a complex college football scheme??

Come on....really??
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MaxyJR1 said:
After seeing the team on the field he told his staff that they may have made a mistake in taking on such a rebuilding job.
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Where is this coming from? Is that a quote from Kill or just hearsay?
 

GophersInIowa said:
Where is this coming from? Is that a quote from Kill or just hearsay?
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He said it. I just don't remember the exact interview or date. I don't know if someone else can help.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Kill came in here and said that this is more like SIU then NIU. After seeing the team on the field he told his staff that they may have made a mistake in taking on such a rebuilding job. Some call it lowing expectations and others call it telling it as it is.

Kill says time and time again that we need "Football Players". What does that mean? To me it means the following.

If they are a football player they know the game and pick up on things faster. This allows them to handle many other things more easily like school, free time, and the demands of Kill and staff. For example Kill says they are doing better in the classroom. Maybe this is taking away from the ability of the players on the field because they are getting too much info. Just a thought.

It also allows for staff to be more complicated and move kids around to different positions and have more success. It adds to versatility in the roster.

Kill is truly changing a culture here. I know people hate Wisconsin comparisons, but they have football players and a consistent culture system. After a couple series of feeling out the NE offense, they played flawless football. A football culture breeds itself. Their OC turned down $1m to go to Texas to stay a part of that culture.

Kill needs football players. When he finds them on this roster and recruits more the on field performance will change. If you have less talent but football players who are fundamental and play their role, you can stay close and compete in most games.

An example I have of what I saw in the Spring. I watched D-line drills as they worked on some basic techniques. I swear some of the guys couldn't even figure out right from left. Unfortunately is was the "more talented/more stars" guys that were having the most problems. Some of these guys are just not "football players."
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Kill came in here and said that this is more like SIU then NIU.-brewster sold the future and was torched for trying to make people believe. kill was making a pr move by underselling and it was great for the negative fanbase, most believe its "just being honest"

Kill is truly changing a culture here.-it appears kill is continuing our gopher culture, getting dominated by everyone!


Kill needs football players.-this is just stupid! they are all football players but they have been put in a sh*t position by a sh*t athletic director.

I watched D-line drills as they worked on some basic techniques-some of you act as if these kids have never been coached the basics and they have 6 left feet, only 1 arm with 5 thumbs! most of these kids came from very good high school football programs with former college players teaching them. they have the basics and they are very good athletes i just dont believe they have been put in positions for success! it wasnt that long ago that nearly everyone on this board was pimping brewsters ability to coach defense and now our kids are handicapped and ride the short bus, its unbelievable.

some of you arm chair qb's are so full of sh*t its ridiculous. im not blaming kill or brewster, i will blame alumni the fan base. we have gone ahead and accepted the decisions our admin has made and we all make excuses for each coach, player, etc etc. none of us know sh*t when it comes to the problems of this team but we all have opinions. all i want us to do is support these kids they have been put in a spot to fail-too many new coaches etc. i dont know if kill will succeed but if any of you defenders of kill are seriously not concerned with the pathetic performances we have had this season you are delusional. with wisky being this dominant, iowa being ok?, and the dakotas all having relative success...we could become a program that never digs out of the cellar. kill needs to figure this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# out fast or it could be 15 years before this is turned around...im done b*tching
 


Studwell55 said:
No he didn't. At least not to somebody other than his wife.

So can we put this to rest? Good grief.
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He is on record as having said he said it to his wife. Thanks for the help. So yes he did say it. I guess he was just BS'n us again .
 

MaxyJR1 said:
He said it. I just don't remember the exact interview or date. I don't know if someone else can help.
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When he took over the team in... January? Or whenever it was... During workouts, etc, he said this team was in horrific shape, physically and mentally, saying not going to a bowl game and not having a coach allowed them to get lazy and soft, they didn't work out or stay in shape, the just sat on their asses, ate a lot and played video games, that it was going to take long long strides to get it back around and he felt he might have made a mistake taking over the team, said he mentioned it to his brother in one interview, that it's going to be a lot like taking over SIU which never won anything until he came in and changed everything, clearly.... we need that.
 


Did you watch the game? Cause I did.

I guess you wouldnt say kill was outcoached against new Mexico state or Ndsu then, because they were close games.

I've already said, score has nothing to do with evaluating who outcoached who, who was playing harder, who had the better gameplan.

Lloyd Carr must not have been outcoached when he lost to app state, cause it was a close game.
 

Rosemountian said:
Did you watch the game? Cause I did.

I guess you wouldnt say kill was outcoached against new Mexico state or Ndsu then, because they were close games.

I've already said, score has nothing to do with evaluating who outcoached who, who was playing harder, who had the better gameplan.

Lloyd Carr must not have been outcoached when he lost to app state, cause it was a close game.
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So you're saying that Kill recruited and had much more talent then Miami OH in that game? I'll take that and if in five years we get out coached in the B1G title game, I'll take that as well.
 

No I'm saying kill and his staff got outschemed and out adjusted by the miami staff.
 

I'm not disagreeing with you. They were pretty heavy favorites from what I remember and had a good sized lead.
 

It will be instructive to see if the Gophers play with some heart this week, as they have been absolutely flat in several games. Purdue would seem to be a Big Ten team, like Indiana, that they would match up well against. But I seriously doubt Kill will have four or five years to build what he wants. One more year like this and the new president and new AD (I assume there will be one) will have somone else in his office. His team has been a monumental disappointment so far, especially in areas you'd think coaching would make a difference: motivation, effort, discipline, basic football smarts.
 

I would say if Kill gets fired in less then five years, no one will take the job and the U will look even worse. He was hired to rebuild a program. Not giving him time to do so would be a terrible thing to do. What Brewster did to this program has to give Kill at least 4 years.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
I would say if Kill gets fired in less then five years, no one will take the job and the U will look even worse. He was hired to rebuild a program. Not giving him time to do so would be a terrible thing to do. What Brewster did to this program has to give Kill at least 4 years.
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Its naive to think nobody would accept a big ten job because they only gave a coach 3 or 4 years....especially if the hire was made by a different administration.
Not saying he'll get fired. I just disagree nobody would take the job.
 

Rosemountian said:
Its naive to think nobody would accept a big ten job because they only gave a coach 3 or 4 years....especially if the hire was made by a different administration.
Not saying he'll get fired. I just disagree nobody would take the job.
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It's naive to think I literally meant no one would take the job.
 


They will have to overpay for the position if it comes to that.
 

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