We will be in the Rose Bowl within 4 years

The Gophers will be at the Rosebowl in 4 years only if they buy tickets. We'll be looking for another new coach in 4-5 years. Maturi has set back Gopher football more so than any Gopher coach has.
 

--Difficult to get enthused about this. Minnnesota, a member of a BCS conference, has hired yet another coach with zero BCS head coaching experience. Kill's winning "at every level of football" is irrelevant because he has zero experience at this level. Does winning a high school state championship decades ago mean anything in the Big Ten? Does beating a Tim Brewster team qualify someone to lead Minnesota's program?
--More importantly, the critical objective of the program--to fill the stadium--is not advanced with this hire. Minnesota football looks increasingly like a Mickey Mouse operation.

How much success did Jim Tressel have at the BCS level before being hired by Ohio State?

How much success did Pat Fitzgerald have at the BCS level before being hired by Northwestern?

How much success did Bret Bielema have at the BCS level before being hired by Wisconsin?
 

How much success did Jim Tressel have at the BCS level before being hired by Ohio State?

How much success did Pat Fitzgerald have at the BCS level before being hired by Northwestern?

How much success did Bret Bielema have at the BCS level before being hired by Wisconsin?

Compare that to RichRod who had loads of success at a BCS school. How's he doing?

The truth is that every single guy is different and every single school is different and every school needs different things at different times.

Hopefully Kill is what Minnesota needed now. I didn't think so before we hired him, but blessings-in-disguise happen all the time in college football.
 


How much success did Jim Tressel have at the BCS level before being hired by Ohio State?

How much success did Pat Fitzgerald have at the BCS level before being hired by Northwestern?

How much success did Bret Bielema have at the BCS level before being hired by Wisconsin?

It also wasn't a rebuilding job at Wisconsin or Ohio State like it will take here. They had a better product to sell recruits from the first day those coaches walked onto campus. Fitzgerald also didn't have a rebuild job like Kill will have here. You need to be able to recruit good athletes to rebuild and that is the big unknown.
 


This guy is not Brewster....Don't expect that. He is a humble guy like Tubby and Childress. This guy has huge upside, and I mean huge.

Please don't ever mention that name again when comparing to a coach at the U. I just threw up a little.;)
 

C'mon, are we really going to get into the comparisons with Tressel and others? I realize that Tressel was at a I-AA school but he won four f-in' championships. Winners are winners -- and by that I mean really, truly winning. Not just having a winning record but winning something that matters. Winning in terms of achieving a prize that is reserved for only one squad. Great, you have a positive record at all stops. You're slightly above .500 overall. That's great in terms of being slightly above mediocre and maybe that's why this guy is a great hire for the U. Mediocrity seems to be the name of the game. I'll eat my words if this guy does anything more than what Mason achieved -- and I'll be happy to do so. But there is absolutely no data that points to anything but the coming years being in the realm of the past 40 years. If that doesn't depress you, well then you are stronger than me. Or at least your rose-colored glasses aren't fogged up and thick with a film of Maturi's b***s***.
 

Not apt comparisons

How much success did Jim Tressel have at the BCS level before being hired by Ohio State?

How much success did Pat Fitzgerald have at the BCS level before being hired by Northwestern?

How much success did Bret Bielema have at the BCS level before being hired by Wisconsin?

Altough I see you point, I don't think these particularly are great examples.

Tressel is the closest comparison, since he came from a small school, but he was a big name in Ohio at least, and the OSU brand is always big with recruits, no matter what.

Fitzgerald was on the NW staff for years before being elevated, and spent his entire career at the FBS level. He, of course, was a plyer on NW's championships in the 90s, but was not on staff until the year after their 2000 title.

Bielema, like Alvarez before him, has a resume overflowing with Big Midwestern College experience: IA, KS ST, WI. I would call him the "anti-Kill" in that he represents the other general tract one can take getting a Big Ten coach: lots of experience as an assistant at big-time schools. He was on the KS ST staff that played OSU tough in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl. He was on the WI staff that nearly won the league title in 2004 and then beat Auburn in the Cap One Bowl the next year.
 

--Difficult to get enthused about this. Minnnesota, a member of a BCS conference, has hired yet another coach with zero BCS head coaching experience. Kill's winning "at every level of football" is irrelevant because he has zero experience at this level. Does winning a high school state championship decades ago mean anything in the Big Ten? Does beating a Tim Brewster team qualify someone to lead Minnesota's program?
--More importantly, the critical objective of the program--to fill the stadium--is not advanced with this hire. Minnesota football looks increasingly like a Mickey Mouse operation.

I sorta thought the "critical objective" was to win. :confused:
 




--Difficult to get enthused about this. Minnnesota, a member of a BCS conference, has hired yet another coach with zero BCS head coaching experience. Kill's winning "at every level of football" is irrelevant because he has zero experience at this level. Does winning a high school state championship decades ago mean anything in the Big Ten? Does beating a Tim Brewster team qualify someone to lead Minnesota's program?
--More importantly, the critical objective of the program--to fill the stadium--is not advanced with this hire. Minnesota football looks increasingly like a Mickey Mouse operation.


To your first point, winning at every level is only irrelevant if you never continue to coach at higher levels. He isn't some high school coach who had success. The guy has built three college into really good programs within their conferences and then progressively went to a higher brand of football. The next logical step for Jerry Kill is the Big 10.

It isn't that much different than Jim Harbaugh at San Diego before going to Stanford. He never proved he could coach at the Division 1 level (and don't give me his name, etc., there are a lot of former NFL Qbs who would be terrible coaches).

Mark Dantonio built his name and coaching credentials by coming up through the ranks, Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, etc.

I agree, Mike Grant's success at Eden Praire is irrelevant, but if Mike Grant went on to win at St. Johns, and then win at UMD and finally win at Miami (OH), it would seem kind of likely that the guy could coach at the U.

To your last point about selling tickets, well that isn't very business savy if you are really concerned about the U selling tickets. The best way for the U to sell tickets is to win games and to hire someone who will win games. If they hired Chris Petersen and didn't improve, TCF would be empty. If they hired Childress and he won, the place would be full. I'm not saying that you have to think Kill will win games, but the fact that he won't initially energize the fan base shouldn't really matter.
 

Please don't start with this. I can't have Brewster hype again. Lets just let the guy coach and see what happens.

Exactly! If he coaches well and starts winning big, then the big things will come.
 

Gopher fans:
At this point, we need to give Kill a fair shot and some positivity. Every coach had to start someplace. From what I know, his teams are well coached. Jerry Kill has potential to be the next Barry Alverez and this football program is at a place where it can only improve. Let's give the guy a chance and cheer for him. We are starting from Ground Zero and his reputation speakes for itself, in that he is a great guy, a solid recruiter, and can Coach his players "Up". Some who know him equate him to a cross between Wade Phillips and Rex Ryan.

As Missed Layup said, Rose bowl in 2014 and Big 10 title in 2016! Lets hope for the best!....
 



I think so too. I think this is a good hire. A surprising hire but I think it will turn out to be a good one.

The guy has had success everywhere he's gone. He knows what it takes to coach in college.

I think he'll be fine.
 

If he turns out to be the game day coach that Glen Mason was, he'll far surpass what Mason accomplished. You heard him say that he's excited to be here and that he will work harder than everyone else. Do you doubt that Mason could have been great for us if he had a work ethic and thought winning here was possible? As it was, he whined about Minnesota being a pathetic program with pathetic facilities and spent most of his time pining away for better jobs.

Don't jump on me now - I am not saying that Kill will be succesful. Only time will reveal that to us. I am not saying that I like the hire, but since he is our coach I will get behind him until he proves that he is not worthy of our backing. Winning on the recruiting trail this offseason, and winning some games early next year will go a long way toward that. What I'm saying is that you can't compare him to Mason because Mason had no work ethic.
 

No one is Anti-Kill....but the anti maturi venom is growing. When is Maturi going to go away? This is a public university funded by Tax dollars...how can we have him removed?
 

Rose Bowl in 4 years? OK, I'm in! And what two teams will we be watching? I'm tempted to go THIS year to root on the Badgers.
 

Rose Bowl in 4 years? OK, I'm in! And what two teams will we be watching? I'm tempted to go THIS year to root on the Badgers.

Maybe we are scheduling a non conference game with UCLA.
 

This hire was another sneaky good pick by Maturi, just like Tubby...I know some people close to N. Ill football and they know they lost a great football coach. Good things to come to U of MN football. Give it 4 years and we will be a dominant team in the Big 10.

Do you really believe this? I'm sure people close to NIU think they lost a great football coach because he was in that situation but this is big step up in weight class.
 

Possible. But I'm not concerned about what might happen in 4 years right now.
 

You're slightly above .500 overall.

So .635 is "slightly above" .500 now? I'll be sure to alert statisticians worldwide! How do you want to do this? Billboards? Press release? Send me the check and I'll work up the copy. I'll distribute it however you'd like.
 


As I said...Kill is a great guy...will work hard.....but can he recruit enough to win in the Big Ten--especially given this administration
 

How is the administration an impediment to recruiting? Plus there is a new President coming in this summer. Recruits are more impressed by things like wins and facilities, not so much by administrations.
 




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