Video: Coach K upset after fans storm court

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Could Coach K end court storming?

As students and fans at John Paul Jones Arena stormed the court after the Cavaliers' 73-68 win over the No. 3 team in the nation, there was no rope line giving Duke’s players, coaches and personnel a path to get off the court, leaving them to fight their way through the crowd with aid from only a couple of security guards and a local policeman.

The 66-year-old Krzyzewski stopped and hollered an F-bomb at a fan before security could drag him away. Right behind the Hall of Fame coach were his players, some cursing at fans, some ignoring it and ducking into the hallway. Assistant coach Jeff Capel went back and yelled a few curse words while another assistant coach, Steve Wojciechowski, did his best to quickly usher players into the safe area.

http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/03/01/13/Coach-K-players-have-run-ins-with-UVa-fa/landing_acc.html?blockID=871813&feedID=3737

Of course Coach K is going to act like he and his coaches did nothing to make it worse. If it's so bad, why would you stop or even go back out to curse at fans? Arrogance just spews from this guy.

Everyone always says he's such a class act but if you ever sit close to the Duke bench during the game, you'll hear more f-bombs than a biker bar.
 

Easy solution...don't lose!
 

Huge amount of discussion about court rushing on Mike and Mike this morning. Must have shown the rush at the Barn a dozen times.

Currently the SEC does not not allow it, though it still has happened and the schools get fined. First offense 5k, then 10k and up to 25k. I believe those are the numbers.

Love him or hate him, but I believe Coach K has a solid point. Eventually someone is going to get seriously hurt and/or it will get ugly and people will ask why wasn't this prevented. The Monica Seles incident was mentioned several times.

The topic was also discussed on the Big Ten studio show last night. The one guy said he was against it because someone is going to get hurt. The other guy said yes someone will get hurt but let the students have fun until that happens. Still scratching my head about the last one.
 




station19 said:
Huge amount of discussion about court rushing on Mike and Mike this morning. Must have shown the rush at the Barn a dozen times.

Currently the SEC does not not allow it, though it still has happened and the schools get fined. First offense 5k, then 10k and up to 25k. I believe those are the numbers.

Love him or hate him, but I believe Coach K has a solid point. Eventually someone is going to get seriously hurt and/or it will get ugly and people will ask why wasn't this prevented. The Monica Seles incident was mentioned several times.

The topic was also discussed on the Big Ten studio show last night. The one guy said he was against it because someone is going to get hurt. The other guy said yes someone will get hurt but let the students have fun until that happens. Still scratching my head about the last one.
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Virginia ought to be held responsible for not making a safe passage for the visitors. Basketball has two choices. Be absolute killjoys and have cops circled around the court at every game (a very expensive option) or make sure there is enough security to get the players and coaches off the court safely. Right or wrong (I am in favor of court storming in a responsible and safe manner when appropriate, but I think it is way overdone now) it is part of the culture of college hoops. I do think players can be kept safe and courts stormed. It's not like their rioting or anything.
 

station19 said:
The Monica Seles incident was mentioned several times.
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The incident when she was stabbed during a match by a possibly mentally ill fan of Steffi Graf? Seems like a logical jump from students rushing the court.

station19 said:
The one guy said he was against it because someone is going to get hurt.
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I don't think we should even allow fans in the building. I mean, someone is going to get in an accident driving to the game. Someone might pull a hammy walking the stairs, or become hoarse from screaming, or increase their LDL by eating stadium food. We absolutely should legislate every potential injurious behavior we can imagine.
 

Court storming has been happening for so long, and I can't recall a single serious incident. Didn't need a court storming for that ISU fan to go after Bill Self. Fans are dumb, that's just the way it is.

As the opposing team, you know what's about to go down (especially a program like Duke that gets stormed on all the time), get out the way. If you get brushed on and swore at, you move on, you don't retaliate.
 



My problem with Virginia is they were actually favored to win the game.
 


Ope3 said:
My problem with Virginia is they were actually favored to win the game.
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They haven't beaten Duke in forever, and Duke was #3. It's borderline, but it was understandable. OTOH, Duke's gotten court-rushed for every ACC loss this year, so it probably is overdone.
 

From the Barn said:
And Seth Davis, ever the duke apologist, advocates players beating up fans.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/307503258962886656?p=p
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Let me say in advance: If any player slugs a fan for screaming at him during a storm, he should not be punished.
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1) You don't get to hit people just because they yelled at you. That's something you learn in kindergarten.

2) I don't care how tough you think you are, but when you're surrounded by thousands of opposing fans, throwing punches might not be the best idea in the world.
 



howeda7 said:
They haven't beaten Duke in forever, and Duke was #3. It's borderline, but it was understandable. OTOH, Duke's gotten court-rushed for every ACC loss this year, so it probably is overdone.
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Probably UVA's last chance to storm with their impending move the Big 10.
 


This is getting blown out of proportion re: whether court rushes should be allowed. Most stadiums allow court/field rushes because it's often safer for fans and security personnel than trying to physically stop them. The comparison to a lone nut job coming onto a tennis court to stab Monica Seles is absurd. That could happen literally anywhere. We all want to feel completely safe all the time, but the reality is that if someone wants to hurt us, they can probably find a way to do it.

All that said, UVA made a mistake not having enough security to get the opposing team off the court safely. They should be internally reviewing why the event management staff did not have that taken care of and make the appropriate adjustments for future games.
 

year of the gopher said:
This is getting blown out of proportion re: whether court rushes should be allowed. Most stadiums allow court/field rushes because it's often safer for fans and security personnel than trying to physically stop them. The comparison to a lone nut job coming onto a tennis court to stab Monica Seles is absurd. That could happen literally anywhere. We all want to feel completely safe all the time, but the reality is that if someone wants to hurt us, they can probably find a way to do it.

All that said, UVA made a mistake not having enough security to get the opposing team off the court safely. They should be internally reviewing why the event management staff did not have that taken care of and make the appropriate adjustments for future games.
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That is what Coach K was saying.
 

I saw the end of the game on TV and the storming of the court. UVA had a line of security guards the length of the court holding fans back from the players benches. I'm not sure what Coach K and crew are complaining about here. My guess is that the emotions of the loss were just so close to the surface that Coach K just lost his composure. Good to see that Coach Wojo had the presence of mind to guide the team back to the locker room.

If you don't want to see people rush the court then do what the SEC did and hit the teams in their pocketbook. That will get the message out to the fans in a heartbeat.
 

Unregistered User said:
I don't think we should even allow fans in the building. I mean, someone is going to get in an accident driving to the game. Someone might pull a hammy walking the stairs, or become hoarse from screaming, or increase their LDL by eating stadium food. We absolutely should legislate every potential injurious behavior we can imagine.
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I like the court rushing, although I think it is overdone.

That said, I know I'd be pissed if Andre got trampled and his jaw broken in the rush and Trevor tore his ACL in a celebration. Not sure you can do much about it, but it'd be like Mauer tearing an ACL in a walk off celebration. And what is to stop a drunk, pissed off Indiana (or whoever) fan from storming too just to take a swing at Andre and potentially hurt him? Or a Gopher fan running at Zeller and hitting him?

I like court rushing, but see K's point that there is some potential risk there if fans go overboard with it.
 

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA—In a stunning and brutal display of support last Wednesday, frantic Virginia fans rushed the court at John Paul Jones Arena, swarmed the Duke men's basketball team, and pounded the ever-living *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# out them. "This is so amazing. I never thought this day would come, but I'm on top of the world," said University of Virginia senior Chris Davis as he repeatedly smashed Duke forward Kyle Singler's face into the wood floor and pumped a blood-soaked fist in the air. "Nobody thought we could beat them like this, but we proved everyone wrong! Go Hoos Go!" According to security officials, Virginia coach Tony Bennett cut down the arena's basketball nets and then proceeded to shove them down Mike Krzyzewski's throat.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/excited-virginia-fans-storm-court-to-beat-*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#-out,19318/
 

station19 said:
That is what Coach K was saying.
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Then he should also be talking about the actions of him and his team as well. They made things worse by screaming profanities in return. If it's so bad, then why didn't they get out of there as soon as possible?
 

Coach K is a jerk. His recruiting policies are a tinge racist, he gets an unbelievable advantage from being the olympic coach, and he is just a huge ass. His teams may be good, but he and the players are mocked by 99% of the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIheKsGtea4
 

I don't know the answer but have any coaches whose teams have lost complained about another schools patrons rushing the court? I cannot recall any. Did any physical confrontations occur at Virginia? Was anyone hurt?
 

tinyarch said:
I saw the end of the game on TV and the storming of the court. UVA had a line of security guards the length of the court holding fans back from the players benches. I'm not sure what Coach K and crew are complaining about here. My guess is that the emotions of the loss were just so close to the surface that Coach K just lost his composure. Good to see that Coach Wojo had the presence of mind to guide the team back to the locker room.

If you don't want to see people rush the court then do what the SEC did and hit the teams in their pocketbook. That will get the message out to the fans in a heartbeat.
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At least someone else actually watched the game. Coach K was blowing his top over Roger Ayers throwing a T on Duke which carried over after the game. Also, the Duke players were calmly shaking hands with Uva staff and coach K had plenty of police escorting him off the court. The brewhaha, if you want to call it that, occurred off court and from fans in the stands. Coach K, much to do about nothing!
 

I watched the game, too. I can't say I paid too much attention to Duke's players and coaches, but it seemed to me to be a fairly mild court rushing. Compared to the Gopher game, where our players didn't have a chance to shake hands with IU's, I did see the Cavs and Blue Devils do some hand shaking. The definite impression I got was that the Duke players weren't too affected by the Virginia fans.

When I heard the K sound bite the next morning, my first impression was that K was incredibly whiny and being a bad sport after a loss. I still feel that way, and my opinion of him has gone down (even further) as a result. That said, the more I've thought about it, it might be best that he did say something, just to get the conversation going. They had a good talk about it on 1500 the next day, including pros and cons of "allowing" the rushes. They played an interview with Dakich, who once lost a key player to career-ending injury in an on-court celebration when his own fan jumped on him. Even so, he's quick to defend the occasional court rush as part of the game and a welcome difference between college and pro.

I think the key word is occasional. As an engineer I know that every risk analysis is a statistical analysis. The more these things happen, the greater chance there will be an unfortunate outcome. Granted you can have an unfortunate outcome crossing the street, but you do want to keep your risk to an acceptable level. My concern is that these things become so commonplace that accidents will become semi-regular. (And that doesn't even consider damage to the floor from street shoes.)

Back to K. I think there was a way for him to say what he said without being so whiny and sounding like sour grapes. That's one of the things I appreciate about Tubby - he's a leadership figure in the sport and cares about the sport as a whole. That might be the same for K, but he just sounds like he's out for himself and his team.
 

To Rush The Court, or Not Rush The Court?

That Is The Question.
 

Sure looks like Duke had a brutal time trying to get off the court. The teams are at the bottom of the screen:

 

Real life story here:

Many years ago, before I went to Med School to become a proctologist, I coached High School Basketball.

We had a home game against our biggest rivals.

The game was intense on the floor as well as in the stands.

With about a minute left, score tied, emotions of everyone running high, I called a timeout.

With that timeout, the referees each brought us head coaches together for a little "chat".

The message? "Whoever wins this game, both of you get your teams immediately to the locker rooms, you can meet later."

Result? Both of us did that, all players and coaches safely in the locker rooms, and fight on the floor between fans.

Teams and coaches met after all was done, and congratulated each other.

BTW, My guys won by 3.
 

The storming the court should only be done:

1. When you beat #1 and you were unranked.
2. You hadn't won a conference game yet and you beat a ranked opponent.
3. If you've lost to the same team 30+ times in a row and finally beat them. (Still bush-league, but somewhat acceptable).

I think that's it.
 

Face The Facts said:
The storming the court should only be done:

1. When you beat #1 and you were unranked.
2. You hadn't won a conference game yet and you beat a ranked opponent.
3. If you've lost to the same team 30+ times in a row and finally beat them. (Still bush-league, but somewhat acceptable).

I think that's it.
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I'm not sure you understand the meaning of bush-league.
 

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