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Bob_Loblaw said:
It's absolutely nothing like South Bend. South Bend is an hour from Gary.

USC is surrounded by the worst neighborhoods in California - like within the block.
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denguegopher said:
Walked through the campus when I was in LA for the UCLA game. The campus had a lot more concrete than I expected. I'd give it a C+, B-, a mild disappointment.
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I've thought about this and am responding to myself, kind of like the county agent in Green
Acres. Anyway, it has occurred to me that USC's campus is similar to the University of South Carolina's (my alma mater). They are both highly urban, have very little space to expand to, and have pretty much turned into pastures of concrete IMHO.
 


denguegopher said:
I've thought about this and am responding to myself, kind of like the county agent in Green
Acres. Anyway, it has occurred to me that USC's campus is similar to the University of South Carolina's (my alma mater). They are both highly urban, have very little space to expand to, and have pretty much turned into pastures of concrete IMHO.
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To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
 

fmlizard said:
To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
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I toured Marquette and then walked around it about 20 years later. Sucked both times.
 

fmlizard said:
To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
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I hear you. I work at UNLV and we have started to "spill across the street." But there is not a lot of space and the neighborhood is home to some interesting characters. Another issue is that as soon as anyone hears that a university is interested in a piece of property, the price immediately doubles (according to our administration).
 

fmlizard said:
To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
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"To do" is relative.
 



Gophergrandpa said:
I thought it was nice. I have low standards, I guess.
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Your standards are fine: I was there during Kill’s tenure when we played them tough and lost and it was fine. Some folks are more comfortable in inner cities, i.e, not suburbs than others and/or they watched Boyz N Hood one too many times 🤷‍♂️
 
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swede2 said:
"To do" is relative.
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There's a significant nightlife, which is important to people in the college age bracket.

There's also pro sports, a lot of jobs, theatre, national touring acts, shopping, dozens of quality restaurants, and other things that many college towns don't have or have less of.

I know lots of people exalt the small college town experience but for many the idea of being in the city is part of the excitement of college. For me, as a small town kid, I mostly looked at urban schools because that was exciting and different for me.
 

fmlizard said:
To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
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People forget the St. Paul campus...
 



Some guy said:
Since Pete Carroll left in 15 seasons they are:
130-78
They have finished with 10+ wins 5 times
They have finished with 8+ wins 10 times.
They have finished top 10 twice.
They have finished top 25 7 times.


For the gophers to get to those marks you would have to go back to:
130 wins - 2004
5 10+ win seasons - 1903
10 8+ win seasons - 1967
2 top 10 finishes - 1962
7 top 25 finishes - 1956 (granted the poll didn’t always go to 25)


They have been ranked at least one week every year.
They have been ranked in the CFP poll (meaning later in the season) 8 of the last 11 years.
They have had top 12 finishes under 3 different coaches post Carroll and top 6 with 2 different coaches.




I agree they haven’t been as good. But would be nearly impossible to be as good. They’ve taken a step back. But to say they’ve done nothing is pretty crazy. They did all this with a 3 year 12% scholarship reduction and a 2 year post season ban + ncaa granting immediate for USC players who transferred out but not for those who transferred in. They also lost a coach due to a substance abuse issue who is currently one of the best coaches in the county


Everything has gone wrong, and they’re probably a top 20 program of the last 15 years.
Since 2014 they have 3 “new years 6”appearances.
Just 12 schools have more. 7 schools have 3.
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They were propped up by a conference that was so bad it no longer exists. They aren’t Vanderbilt but they aren’t a power. Maybe regain that but I think they realized the B1G is a lot different than the PAC-12 was.

Losses to Minnesota and Maryland. A couple of ho hum programs. Lost to a mediocre Michigan team.

I bet a significant amount (to me) on their under because of the travel schedule alone.

USC had this stretch with no bye. After opening with LSU, Utah state and Bye:

@ Michigan
Home (wisco)
@ Minnesota
Home (Penn State)
@ Maryland
Home (Rutgers)
@ Washington

They went 0-4 in those road games, FWIW.
 

fmlizard said:
There's a significant nightlife, which is important to people in the college age bracket.

There's also pro sports, a lot of jobs, theatre, national touring acts, shopping, dozens of quality restaurants, and other things that many college towns don't have or have less of.

I know lots of people exalt the small college town experience but for many the idea of being in the city is part of the excitement of college. For me, as a small town kid, I mostly looked at urban schools because that was exciting and different for me.
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He said it is relative and an experience you enjoyed. For a lot of people, they don’t look at being in a city as part of the excitement of college. A large number of people go to college in more rural areas than they grew up.
 

fmlizard said:
To some extent, this could describe Minnesota.

Some of it is the trade-off of an urban campus. More to do off campus, but a space-constrained and more crowded campus. There's a few nice green spaces and the river on the Minneapolis campus but more of the appeal comes from being next to downtown Mpls. I grew up on a dirt road in a small town so it was a draw for me.

The worst major university campus I ever saw was Marquette, in Milwaukee. It's like 4 towers in a rough neighborhood. Didn't even do my campus visit and kept right on driving after we saw most of campus waiting at a stoplight.
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It would be like MN if the U was in the middle of an area considerably more run down than North Minneapolis. Not all urban areas are the same and that’s a really bad area. It’s not an area people go to unless they have to.

This isn’t me being anti-city. I’m from an urban area and have lived my entire life in urban areas. USC is surrounded by the worst areas in Southern California.
 

Some guy said:
Since Pete Carroll left in 15 seasons they are:
130-78
They have finished with 10+ wins 5 times
They have finished with 8+ wins 10 times.
They have finished top 10 twice.
They have finished top 25 7 times.


For the gophers to get to those marks you would have to go back to:
130 wins - 2004
5 10+ win seasons - 1903
10 8+ win seasons - 1967
2 top 10 finishes - 1962
7 top 25 finishes - 1956 (granted the poll didn’t always go to 25)


They have been ranked at least one week every year.
They have been ranked in the CFP poll (meaning later in the season) 8 of the last 11 years.
They have had top 12 finishes under 3 different coaches post Carroll and top 6 with 2 different coaches.




I agree they haven’t been as good. But would be nearly impossible to be as good. They’ve taken a step back. But to say they’ve done nothing is pretty crazy. They did all this with a 3 year 12% scholarship reduction and a 2 year post season ban + ncaa granting immediate for USC players who transferred out but not for those who transferred in. They also lost a coach due to a substance abuse issue who is currently one of the best coaches in the county


Everything has gone wrong, and they’re probably a top 20 program of the last 15 years.
Since 2014 they have 3 “new years 6”appearances.
Just 12 schools have more. 7 schools have 3.
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Just a quick note: USC vs Oregon over the last 30 years.... Oregon 13 wins vs USC 7 and that includes the Carroll years and the cheating that went on during the Carroll years. Actually, one of those 7 USC wins was vacated due to that cheating.
 

GoDucks349 said:
Just a quick note: USC vs Oregon over the last 30 years.... Oregon 13 wins vs USC 7 and that includes the Carroll years and the cheating that went on during the Carroll years. Actually, one of those 7 USC wins was vacated due to that cheating.
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None of that disagrees with anything I’ve said
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
They were propped up by a conference that was so bad it no longer exists. They aren’t Vanderbilt but they aren’t a power. Maybe regain that but I think they realized the B1G is a lot different than the PAC-12 was.

Losses to Minnesota and Maryland. A couple of ho hum programs. Lost to a mediocre Michigan team.

I bet a significant amount (to me) on their under because of the travel schedule alone.

USC had this stretch with no bye. After opening with LSU, Utah state and Bye:

@ Michigan
Home (wisco)
@ Minnesota
Home (Penn State)
@ Maryland
Home (Rutgers)
@ Washington

They went 0-4 in those road games, FWIW.
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Them being 6-6 this year doesn’t disagree with anything I said
 

MNVCGUY said:
When they rank portal classes they honestly should factor in who is leaving as well as who is coming in but they only focus on the incoming not the outgoing. I took a look at the ins and outs for each team in the Big Ten according to 247. It looks like they don't factor in non-scholarship transfers into these numbers but here is what they show.

Team - In - Out
Ill - 1 - 11
IA - 1 - 12
MD - 1 - 16
MI - 4 - 15
MN - 10 - 9
MSU - 6 - 12
Neb - 2 - 23
NW - 1 - 6
PUR - 0 - 26
RUT - 5 - 3
UCLA - 9 - 17
USC - 2 - 18
WA - 6 - 17
WIS - 11 - 21

Playoff teams - likely to see more movement when eliminated.
IND - 6 - 7
OSU - 1 - 6
ORE - 4 - 6
PSU - 1 - 4

Not sure what if anything can be taken from this but it is interesting that only MN and Rutgers have more coming in than leaving right now (doesn't count non-scholarship guys). Most teams have a wide split between the number coming in and the number they are losing.

I separated the playoff teams because they aren't likely to see a ton of activity until after they are eliminated.

Edit - Totally forgot about Washington and Wisconsin so they have been added. Minnesota and Wisconsin are the only schools to crack double digits so far in terms of guys coming in but UCLA is close.
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This isn’t going to end well for college football.
 



GoDucks349 said:
Wasn't disagreeing, just that U$C hasn't been that dominate for a long time and when they were they had to bend the rules.
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Are you implying that Oregon was "cheating " at the same time? Interesting...
 

Dave H said:
Are you implying that Oregon was "cheating " at the same time? Interesting...
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Not at all.

We did have a little problem when Chip Kelly was head coach. Something about paying an agent for Seastrunk RB. I don't remember the exact out come, but I believe Kelly headed to the Eagles shortly after.

I learned a very long time ago as a small college bball player that things can get into grey areas quickly. During my playing days for a small Christian College, I'd go into a local restaurant, have dinner, ask for my bill and be told a couple who just left paid my bill. I also was given a "job" that was more paid study hall than actual work.
 
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Ok, let's shift the discussion the bowl game last night.

I was rooting for USC (B1G) and was surprised that they won. I didn't see the last of the 4th quarter, but their QB is terrible! I know he is young, but he has no field awareness, no accuracy, no touch on the ball and kept getting his passes batted down. He just looks too mechanical in he actions. I mean, pump the fricking ball once in a while to get the edge rusher to bite and then throw around him. He threw the ball backwards when he was getting sacked.... A team like USC has got to have another QB that do a better job than him!
 

alchemy2u said:
Ok, let's shift the discussion the bowl game last night.

I was rooting for USC (B1G) and was surprised that they won. I didn't see the last of the 4th quarter, but their QB is terrible! I know he is young, but he has no field awareness, no accuracy, no touch on the ball and kept getting his passes batted down. He just looks too mechanical in he actions. I mean, pump the fricking ball once in a while to get the edge rusher to bite and then throw around him. He threw the ball backwards when he was getting sacked.... A team like USC has got to have another QB that do a better job than him!
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Miller Moss was the SC QB up until a month ago, he'd thrown a lot of int's and they benched him putting the new transfer in as starter. He's started 4 games this year and yes he looked horrible, but Moss was playing catch with the opponents DBs. Tough spot for SC. From what I can tell, none of the other QBs have thrown a pass at the college level.
 

GoDucks349 said:
Miller Moss was the SC QB up until a month ago, he'd thrown a lot of int's and they benched him putting the new transfer in as starter. He's started 4 games this year and yes he looked horrible, but Moss was playing catch with the opponents DBs. Tough spot for SC. From what I can tell, none of the other QBs have thrown a pass at the college level.
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Yes, but if USC an't buy a QB and a decent QB coach, then nobody can.
 




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