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USC seems to be losing a ton talent in the portal, could be quite a while before they challenge for the playoffs.
 

btowngopher said:
USC seems to be losing a ton talent in the portal, could be quite a while before they challenge for the playoffs.
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With USC's campus, NIL money opportunities and reputation, I suspect it reloads fairly soon. Team will be rebuilt in the B1G OSU, Mich, Oregon model of play--will jettison the old PAC-12 model.
 



This has been said before, and I thought the Big Ten would be tough for them. USC is Nebraksa 2.0 with a recruiting hotbed in its backyard, something NE does not have especially after NE was cut off from Texas after the Big 8 days were over.
 


Gophergrandpa said:
With USC's campus, NIL money opportunities and reputation, I suspect it reloads fairly soon. Team will be rebuilt in the B1G OSU, Mich, Oregon model of play--will jettison the old PAC-12 model.
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Nice school! Decent campus that is about 3 miles from downtown LA.
The University of Spoiled Children should be back in the thick of it.
 


GopherDog1 said:
This has been said before, and I thought the Big Ten would be tough for them. USC is Nebraksa 2.0 with a recruiting hotbed in its backyard, something NE does not have especially after NE was cut off from Texas after the Big 8 days were over.
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They really haven't been anything of note since Pete Carroll.

Since them they have been was a team that recruits some big names and then you never hear about them again ... and they seem to have been propped up by the low end of the PAC-12 record wise.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
They really haven't been anything of note since Pete Carroll.

Since them they have been was a team that recruits some big names and then you never hear about them again ... and they seem to have been propped up by the low end of the PAC-12 record wise.
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They weren’t that special the twenty years prior to Carroll either.
 



A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
How much is "a ton"?

Everyone is losing some ... what you bring in matters.
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Everyone is losing a lot, most teams are just losing a bunch of kids that figured out they weren't going to get on the field anyway. Maybe a few bigger recruits are lost here and there but most are probably players that weren't going to see the field anyway.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
How much is "a ton"?

Everyone is losing some ... what you bring in matters.
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When they rank portal classes they honestly should factor in who is leaving as well as who is coming in but they only focus on the incoming not the outgoing. I took a look at the ins and outs for each team in the Big Ten according to 247. It looks like they don't factor in non-scholarship transfers into these numbers but here is what they show.

Team - In - Out
Ill - 1 - 11
IA - 1 - 12
MD - 1 - 16
MI - 4 - 15
MN - 10 - 9
MSU - 6 - 12
Neb - 2 - 23
NW - 1 - 6
PUR - 0 - 26
RUT - 5 - 3
UCLA - 9 - 17
USC - 2 - 18
WA - 6 - 17
WIS - 11 - 21

Playoff teams - likely to see more movement when eliminated.
IND - 6 - 7
OSU - 1 - 6
ORE - 4 - 6
PSU - 1 - 4

Not sure what if anything can be taken from this but it is interesting that only MN and Rutgers have more coming in than leaving right now (doesn't count non-scholarship guys). Most teams have a wide split between the number coming in and the number they are losing.

I separated the playoff teams because they aren't likely to see a ton of activity until after they are eliminated.

Edit - Totally forgot about Washington and Wisconsin so they have been added. Minnesota and Wisconsin are the only schools to crack double digits so far in terms of guys coming in but UCLA is close.
 
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MNVCGUY said:
When they rank portal classes they honestly should factor in who is leaving as well as who is coming in but they only focus on the incoming not the outgoing. I took a look at the ins and outs for each team in the Big Ten according to 247. It looks like they don't factor in non-scholarship transfers into these numbers but here is what they show.

Team - In - Out
Ill - 1 - 11
IA - 1 - 12
MD - 1 - 16
MI - 4 - 15
MN - 10 - 9
MSU - 6 - 12
Neb - 2 - 23
NW - 1 - 6
PUR - 0 - 26
RUT - 5 - 3
UCLA - 9 - 17
USC - 2 - 18

Playoff teams - likely to see more movement when eliminated.
IND - 6 - 7
OSU - 1 - 6
ORE - 4 - 6
PSU - 1 - 4

Not sure what if anything can be taken from this but it is interesting that only MN and Rutgers have more coming in than leaving right now (doesn't count non-scholarship guys). Most teams have a wide split between the number coming in and the number they are losing.

I separated the playoff teams because they aren't likely to see a ton of activity until after they are eliminated.
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I think we might see Portal Classes develop like High School Recruiting Classes where some teams like MN like to get the job / class set as early as possible, while other teams work very late into the cycle.
 

btowngopher said:
USC seems to be losing a ton talent in the portal, could be quite a while before they challenge for the playoffs.
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Maybe but they have the money to re tool as well, but last year's unit was not equipped for big boy football and they got exposed
 







MNVCGUY said:
When they rank portal classes they honestly should factor in who is leaving as well as who is coming in but they only focus on the incoming not the outgoing. I took a look at the ins and outs for each team in the Big Ten according to 247. It looks like they don't factor in non-scholarship transfers into these numbers but here is what they show.

Team - In - Out
Ill - 1 - 11
IA - 1 - 12
MD - 1 - 16
MI - 4 - 15
MN - 10 - 9
MSU - 6 - 12
Neb - 2 - 23
NW - 1 - 6
PUR - 0 - 26
RUT - 5 - 3
UCLA - 9 - 17
USC - 2 - 18

Playoff teams - likely to see more movement when eliminated.
IND - 6 - 7
OSU - 1 - 6
ORE - 4 - 6
PSU - 1 - 4

Not sure what if anything can be taken from this but it is interesting that only MN and Rutgers have more coming in than leaving right now (doesn't count non-scholarship guys). Most teams have a wide split between the number coming in and the number they are losing.

I separated the playoff teams because they aren't likely to see a ton of activity until after they are eliminated.
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Holy crap, Nebraska and Purdue. Those ratios ain’t looking great.
 

MGGopher said:
Holy crap, Nebraska and Purdue. Those ratios ain’t looking great.
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With the new roster limit it is likely there are going to be a lot of lopsided ratios when it is all said and done. But yeah, those two have lost a lot and brought in little to nothing so far as replacements.

Purdue makes a lot of sense due to the coaching change, Nebraska makes less sense but again we are probably going to see some huge movement totals this year.
 

MNVCGUY said:
When they rank portal classes they honestly should factor in who is leaving as well as who is coming in but they only focus on the incoming not the outgoing. I took a look at the ins and outs for each team in the Big Ten according to 247. It looks like they don't factor in non-scholarship transfers into these numbers but here is what they show.

Team - In - Out
Ill - 1 - 11
IA - 1 - 12
MD - 1 - 16
MI - 4 - 15
MN - 10 - 9
MSU - 6 - 12
Neb - 2 - 23
NW - 1 - 6
PUR - 0 - 26
RUT - 5 - 3
UCLA - 9 - 17
USC - 2 - 18

Playoff teams - likely to see more movement when eliminated.
IND - 6 - 7
OSU - 1 - 6
ORE - 4 - 6
PSU - 1 - 4

Not sure what if anything can be taken from this but it is interesting that only MN and Rutgers have more coming in than leaving right now (doesn't count non-scholarship guys). Most teams have a wide split between the number coming in and the number they are losing.

I separated the playoff teams because they aren't likely to see a ton of activity until after they are eliminated.
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WA ?
 


A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
They really haven't been anything of note since Pete Carroll.

Since them they have been was a team that recruits some big names and then you never hear about them again ... and they seem to have been propped up by the low end of the PAC-12 record wise.
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Since Pete Carroll left in 15 seasons they are:
130-78
They have finished with 10+ wins 5 times
They have finished with 8+ wins 10 times.
They have finished top 10 twice.
They have finished top 25 7 times.


For the gophers to get to those marks you would have to go back to:
130 wins - 2004
5 10+ win seasons - 1903
10 8+ win seasons - 1967
2 top 10 finishes - 1962
7 top 25 finishes - 1956 (granted the poll didn’t always go to 25)


They have been ranked at least one week every year.
They have been ranked in the CFP poll (meaning later in the season) 8 of the last 11 years.
They have had top 12 finishes under 3 different coaches post Carroll and top 6 with 2 different coaches.




I agree they haven’t been as good. But would be nearly impossible to be as good. They’ve taken a step back. But to say they’ve done nothing is pretty crazy. They did all this with a 3 year 12% scholarship reduction and a 2 year post season ban + ncaa granting immediate for USC players who transferred out but not for those who transferred in. They also lost a coach due to a substance abuse issue who is currently one of the best coaches in the county


Everything has gone wrong, and they’re probably a top 20 program of the last 15 years.
Since 2014 they have 3 “new years 6”appearances.
Just 12 schools have more. 7 schools have 3.
 

Some guy said:
Since Pete Carroll left in 15 seasons they are:
130-78
They have finished with 10+ wins 5 times
They have finished with 8+ wins 10 times.
They have finished top 10 twice.
They have finished top 25 7 times.


For the gophers to get to those marks you would have to go back to:
130 wins - 2004
5 10+ win seasons - 1903
10 8+ win seasons - 1967
2 top 10 finishes - 1962
7 top 25 finishes - 1956 (granted the poll didn’t always go to 25)


They have been ranked at least one week every year.
They have been ranked in the CFP poll (meaning later in the season) 8 of the last 11 years.
They have had top 12 finishes under 3 different coaches post Carroll and top 6 with 2 different coaches.




I agree they haven’t been as good. But would be nearly impossible to be as good. They’ve taken a step back. But to say they’ve done nothing is pretty crazy. They did all this with a 3 year 12% scholarship reduction and a 2 year post season ban + ncaa granting immediate for USC players who transferred out but not for those who transferred in. They also lost a coach due to a substance abuse issue who is currently one of the best coaches in the county


Everything has gone wrong, and they’re probably a top 20 program of the last 15 years.
Since 2014 they have 3 “new years 6”appearances.
Just 12 schools have more. 7 schools have 3.
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Yeah but they only won the pac 12 once since Pete. I don’t think they are close to being a serious contender for the B1G.
 

btowngopher said:
Yeah but they only won the pac 12 once since Pete. I don’t think they are close to being a serious contender for the B1G.
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One conference title in the last 15 years is one more than about 2/3 of the teams in the conference

So yeah. They haven’t been a dynasty.
 




Bob_Loblaw said:
Ever been to the campus? It isn't very nice at all.
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Walked through the campus when I was in LA for the UCLA game. The campus had a lot more concrete than I expected. I'd give it a C+, B-, a mild disappointment.
 



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