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I love how Urban’s 59-0 demolition of Wisconsin has been dragged back up 5 years later and placed as the front page feature on ESPN.com today
Interesting stuff. Re: the defensive holding (4 on Renner thus far) it seems one or more of the officials is zeroing in on us for some reason. Perhaps they had some money on WI at Camp Randall last year or are WI homers. Only WI can hold every dadgummit play!
The other stuff is fascinating as well. Northwestern and Illinois definitely exposed some chinks in the armor. We can’t stop them but we can hope to contain them. And, my feeling is Durr and St Juste are good enough to hang Mano a Mano with the WI receivers. The book on WI appears to be sell out to stop the run vs Wisconsin and hope the secondary can hold up, and on offense exploit their secondary (which we can). I’m feeling better and better about our chances as the year goes on.
I just read that article and I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Saw that clip yesterday. Urban's comment about officials "never" calling defensive holding actually p'ssed me off given the calls against Renner et al in the Gophs first few games. Those calls came at crucial moments and were game changing in nature if I recall correctly.
It just started this year as a point of emphasis.
I'm not an X's and O's guy.
It just started this year as a point of emphasis.
I don't know what we did last year, but we contained their offense pretty well.
I'm not an X's and O's guy.
The peanut gallery has spoken. [emoji16]We're aware.
for one player?
I love how Urban’s 59-0 demolition of Wisconsin has been dragged back up 5 years later and placed as the front page feature on ESPN.com today
Here is the actual rule on holding, offensive and defensive. The offensive holding rule regarding hands, impeding defensive players is routinely ignored in interest of “moar scoring” and QB health. My reading of the defensive holding rule doesn’t seem to indicate anything Renner is doing that violates the rule. Pushing, pulling at the point of attack to get to the ball carrier seems explicitly allowed. Help me out.
Holding and Use of Hands or Arms: Offense
ARTICLE 3. a. Use of Hands. A teammate of a ball carrier or a passer legally may block with his shoulders, his hands, the outer surface of his arms or any other part of his body under the following provisions.
1. The hand(s) shall be:
(a) In advance of the elbow.
(b) Inside the frame of the opponent’s body (Exception: When the
opponent turns his back to the blocker) (A.R. 9-3-3-VI and
VII).
(c) At or below the shoulder(s) of the blocker and the opponent
(Exception: When the opponent squats, ducks or submarines).
(d) Apart and never in a locked position.
2. The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent (A.R. 9-3-3-I-IV and VI-VIII).
b. Holding. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull, hook, clamp or encircle in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
PENALTY—10 yards Penalties for Team A fouls behind the neutral zone are enforced from the previous spot. Safety if the foul occurs behind Team A’s goal line [S42].
c. Kicking Team. A player on the kicking team may:
1. During a scrimmage kick play, use his hand(s) and/or arm(s) to
ward off an opponent attempting to block him when he is beyond
the neutral zone.
2. During a free kick play, use his hand(s) and/or arm(s) to ward off
an opponent who is attempting to block him.
3. During a scrimmage kick play or a free kick play, when he is eligible
to touch the ball, legally use his hand(s) and/or arm(s) to push an
opponent in an attempt to reach a loose ball.
d. Passing Team. An eligible player of the passing team legally may use his
hand(s) and/or arm(s) to ward off or push an opponent in an attempt to reach a loose ball after a legal forward pass has been touched by any player or official (Rules 7-3-5, 7-3-8, 7-3-9 and 7-3-11).
Holding and Use of Hands or Arms: Defense
ARTICLE 4. a. Defensive players may use hands and arms to push, pull, ward off or lift offensive players:
1. When attempting to reach the runner.
2. Who are obviously attempting to block them.
FR-98 RuLE 9 / ConDuCt oF PLayERs anD othERs suBjECt to thE RuLEs
b. A defensive player legally may use his hands or arms to ward off or block an opponent in an attempt to reach a loose ball (Rule 9-1-5, Exceptions 3 and 4 and Rule 9-3-6, Exceptions 3 and 5):
1. During a backward pass, fumble or kick that he is eligible to touch. 2. During any forward pass that crossed the neutral zone and has been
touched by any player or official.
c. When making no attempt to get at the ball or the runner, defensive
players must comply with Article 3, paragraphs a and b above.
d. Defensive players may not use hands and arms to tackle, hold or
otherwise illegally obstruct an opponent other than a runner.
e. Defensive players may ward off or legally block an eligible pass receiver until that player occupies the same yard line as the defender or until the opponent could not possibly block him. Continuous contact is illegal
(A.R. 9-3-5-I).
PENALTY [c-e]—10 or 15 yards [S38, S42, S43 or S45].
Use of Hands or Arms by Defense: Passing Downs
ARTICLE 5. During a legal forward pass play in which the pass crosses the neutral zone, if before the pass is touched there is a contact foul by Team B beyond the neutral zone against an eligible receiver (other than pass interference), the penalty includes an automatic first down.
PENALTY—10 or 15 yards and automatic first down if the first down is not in conflict with other rules [S38].[/B]
Like the example in the Urban video by OP seems like most of the calls I’ve seen are grabbing the chest while simultaneously moving into/towards the gap the ball carrier is entering. Seems legal to me but I’m open to other opinions. I’m genuinely confused why this would be a foul. The onus is on the offensive lineman to use their hands to get off the block and move up to the second level, no?
I would like to observe that Wisc's failure in Wisc distantly looked like our early struggles in OOC.
At times we would run run run to try to establish the run and JUST couldn't get it going in the face of what were sellout run defenses.
We would then resort to throwing our way to a win late in the game.
Wisc never changed their plan and for them the last plays of the game were not as fortunate as they were for us.
Which speaks to either hubris by the coaches, (we can win our way, Illinois sucks) or just plain being out coached. Probably a little of both. This is the second extended breakdown by Urban Myer I've seen and I really hope he does not get a coaching job because it is some of the best next level (but accessible) analysis I've seen.
Which speaks to either hubris by the coaches, (we can win our way, Illinois sucks) or just plain being out coached. Probably a little of both. This is the second extended breakdown by Urban Myer I've seen and I really hope he does not get a coaching job because it is some of the best next level (but accessible) analysis I've seen.
Very pleasant memory of watching that game in Vegas in the Aria sportsbook. Still had a captive audience, even when the Buckeyes were up by 52. Great job by Urban to get more than 55.5 points.
No better way to win an Over/Under bet involving the team west of the St Croix River.
Very pleasant memory of watching that game in Vegas in the Aria sportsbook. Still had a captive audience, even when the Buckeyes were up by 52. Great job by Urban to get more than 55.5 points.
No better way to win an Over/Under bet involving the team west of the St Croix River.
I think you meant "east"
I think you meant "east"
For my money, Urban is the 2nd best college coach in the country (Saban)
I love how Urban’s 59-0 demolition of Wisconsin has been dragged back up 5 years later and placed as the front page feature on ESPN.com today