UK 2020 Recruiting Class has Six Charged with First Degree Burglary—All Still on Team. Elite?

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UpAndUnder43 said:
But the gophers didn’t when the rape case occurred. Or whatever that was.
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Who was arrested by the police and charged with rape or assault by the Hennepin County Attorney’s office in the “rape case”? Help me remember.
 

Taji34 said:
So (in wisconsin) a theft would be I come home, and my TV is gone.
A burglary would be I walk in on would-be theives and they run away without taking anything.
And a robery would be I walk in on the would-be theives, and one of them threatens me to prevent me from doing anything, and then take my TV.

Right?
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If you pulled a gun on unarmed would-be burglars, will you be charged with a felony?

The reason why I asked is that a kid in my neighborhood found someone stealing his car stereo in his driveway a few years ago. He pulled a knife on the unarmed burglar and wrestled him down until the police arrived. He was charged with felonious assault and he spent a year in jail.
 

MplsGopher_fan said:
If she can't consent, she can't "not consent" either, right? Has this ever been tried? Like, how can you prove you were drunk at the time, when it's hours in the past? Couldn't the guy say we started drinking *after* sex and she was sober during sex?
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As far as I know usually until you consent to something, you are implicitly not consenting.

Like if I'm eating fries, and you walk up and take some, and I'm like "Hey, I didn't say you could do that" you replying "But you never said I couldn't do that" isn't really a valid argument. The onus shouldn't be on me to explicitly tell every person that approaches me "You can't take any of my fries", the onus is on the person who wants some of my fries to ask me if it's okay. Make sense?

Most of the time, the argument lies within what counts as consent and when it can be given. As well as when consent can be withdrawn after being given. That, however, is a much larger argument that has been hashed out here many times, and is never resolved until either someone is banned for straying into personal attacks or someone blocks the other person.
 

Good reply with the fries example. And good sense of humor in your last paragraph. : - )
 

hungan1 said:
If you pulled a gun on unarmed would-be burglars, will you be charged with a felony?

The reason why I asked is that a kid in my neighborhood found someone stealing his car stereo in his driveway a few years ago. He pulled a knife on the unarmed burglar and wrestled him down until the police arrived. He was charged with felonious assault and he spent a year in jail.
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Interesting. What kind of area do you live in, like a liberal city, conservative country land, etc. Personally, I would never want to involve wrestling and a knife, even if it was me who had the knife, you can lose that weapon quick if you don't know what you're doing. Did he not have a good lawyer?
 


MplsGopher_fan said:
Interesting. What kind of area do you live in, like a liberal city, conservative country land, etc. Personally, I would never want to involve wrestling and a knife, even if it was me who had the knife, you can lose that weapon quick if you don't know what you're doing. Did he not have a good lawyer?
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He got a public defender. It is a hard lesson for a nineteen-year-old to learn. I think there was more to the story that he is not sharing. He had run-ins with the law before. The good thing is that he cleaned up his act and eventually went to college.
 

TNGophfan said:
If I recall correctly (and I may not be), criminal charges from the DA were not brought against the 12. School policy got them suspended initially. Again, correct me if my old brain has failed me again. In this case, charges have been filed. I would expect suspensions until case resolved, one way or the other.
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I don't think players get suspended on pending legal cases.

Dig into this case more and you'll see why I don't think they should be suspended. Lots of literature out there.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
I don't think players get suspended on pending legal cases.

Dig into this case more and you'll see why I don't think they should be suspended. Lots of literature out there.
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Wisc suspedned a player pending his legal case.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Wisc suspedned a player pending his legal case.
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I meant to say I don't think players *should* get suspended on pending legal cases. But thats just me. I'm big on innocent until proven guilty. The problem is that a lot of these cases end up with the players being reinstated once the details are hashed out. We see it time and time again.
 



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Gophers’ Shannon Brooks won’t face charges for fight with roommate

The Minneapolis city attorney’s office has declined to press charges against Gophers running back Shannon Brooks, a spokeswoman told the Pioneer Press on Friday. “There is insufficient evidence to …
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Brooks was arrested for 5th degree assault (way less than pointing a loaded gun at someone). He was immediately suspended by PJ. After the Minneapolis DA declined to charge Brooks (insufficient evidence), PJ, after consulting with Kaler, reinstated Brooks. This is the normal process in the B1G. Had the Minneapolis DA decide to charge Brooks, he would have been off the team until acquitted.
 

PeoplesFront said:
LOL, idk. Def sus, tho. I think signs similar to this one 👇 are posted around the pchem lecture halls.


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This poster tells you a lot about the current social climate. The male is assumed to be in the wrong, and the female always blameless. Jake and Josie engage in exactly the same conduct (a drunken hookup) but one gets to regret it the next morning and anonymously get the other one expelled or imprisoned. One bears responsibility for their actions, the other doesn't.
 


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Students who say they attended March party claim UK players beat up students

The trouble, according to one of the students, began a week prior when several UK football players showed up to a party uninvited.
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The student said the group of players, "just came in and started throwing punches at guys, girls, it did not matter who. They were just throwing punches to throw punches. I turned and made a barricade and got as many girls out of the house as I could before I ran through the house. I saw one of my friends pinned in a corner just getting unloaded on, with punches, just taking a brutal beating. There were just little scrums going on all over the house, lots of screaming, lots of everything. And I ran into a room and closed the door behind me and called the police."
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UpAndUnder43 said:
Thinks. Doesn’t mean they did anything. Charges have never been dropped. No one has ever been found not guilty.
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This one seems pretty simple, and seems there are eye-witnesses (or perhaps maybe someone has video).

They came back to the place, came in against the owner's wishes, one of them threatened a person with a gun, and they took some shit on the way out. EDIT: also sounds like eye-witness is saying they physically assaulted people (see two posts below)

It either happened or it didn't. You really think someone is making the whole thing up, there's no evidence supporting it, and it got this far?
 

hungan1 said:
If you pulled a gun on unarmed would-be burglars, will you be charged with a felony?

The reason why I asked is that a kid in my neighborhood found someone stealing his car stereo in his driveway a few years ago. He pulled a knife on the unarmed burglar and wrestled him down until the police arrived. He was charged with felonious assault and he spent a year in jail.
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Wonder if the kid just made that up to try to give a reason for pulling the knife?
 


MplsGopher said:
This one seems pretty simple, and seems there are eye-witnesses (or perhaps maybe someone has video).

They came back to the place, came in against the owner's wishes, one of them threatened a person with a gun, and they took some shit on the way out. EDIT: also sounds like eye-witness is saying they physically assaulted people (see two posts below)

It either happened or it didn't. You really think someone is making the whole thing up, there's no evidence supporting it, and it got this far?
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I would agree it seems likely they were involved in some bad stuff, but innocent until proven guilty. There are always 2 sides to a story.
 

Taji34 said:
As far as I know usually until you consent to something, you are implicitly not consenting.

Like if I'm eating fries, and you walk up and take some, and I'm like "Hey, I didn't say you could do that" you replying "But you never said I couldn't do that" isn't really a valid argument. The onus shouldn't be on me to explicitly tell every person that approaches me "You can't take any of my fries", the onus is on the person who wants some of my fries to ask me if it's okay. Make sense?

Most of the time, the argument lies within what counts as consent and when it can be given. As well as when consent can be withdrawn after being given. That, however, is a much larger argument that has been hashed out here many times, and is never resolved until either someone is banned for straying into personal attacks or someone blocks the other person.
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A man and a woman get drunk and share fries they both purchased. The next day the man is arrested for stealing her fries.
 

Jordekorn said:
A man and a woman get drunk and share fries they both purchased.
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This is an appropriate analogy for the physical act of one person putting a part of their body inside the other person. Yep :cautious:
 

MplsGopher said:
Any way, sounds like a nice group of people ....

Can't believe they'll stay on the team, or in school for that matter.
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Surely you jest.
The episode happened months ago and according to their sleaze ball coach, the student discipline committee handles the situation and allowed the players to stay in school.
This is the U of KY that hired a slime ball to coach their BB team.
If a school has no academic credentials they depend on athletics to raise their image.
 

Plato said:
Surely you jest.
The episode happened months ago and according to their sleaze ball coach, the student discipline committee handles the situation and allowed the players to stay in school.
This is the U of KY that hired a slime ball to coach their BB team.
If a school has no academic credentials they depend on athletics to raise their image.
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I think criminal charges being brought changes the situation, don't you? If they never had been brought, then I could believe they just tried to sweep it all under the rug.
 

The real questions are why were charges not filed right after the incident and perhaps more important, why were charges filed now?
If found guilty they will have to go- one would hope. If they cop a plea they will stay.
 

MplsGopher_fan said:
If she can't consent, she can't "not consent" either, right? Has this ever been tried? Like, how can you prove you were drunk at the time, when it's hours in the past? Couldn't the guy say we started drinking *after* sex and she was sober during sex?
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How did the guy consent?
He was raped also...
 


MplsGopher said:
This is an appropriate analogy for the physical act of one person putting a part of their body inside the other perso
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MplsGopher said:
This is an appropriate analogy for the physical act of one person putting a part of their body inside the other person. Yep :cautious:
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It was said specifically because it's a ridiculous comparison in an attempt to highlight the ridiculous idea that a woman is unable to consent but a man becomes a rapist when both are in similar states of intoxication. To me, this implies that women are less capable of consent than men, which is ludicrous.

Obviously, if one party is significantly more inebriated than the other, the consent issue becomes clear.

I understand it's almost impossible to look back and judge intoxication levels, and it's an extremely complex issue.
 

Jordekorn said:
Nope. Burglary includes entering a home (or other building) or business and stealing while theft does not. You don't need to be present for either to occur, but someone would need to be present for robbery.
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Robbery needs force or threat of force.
 

MplsGopher said:
Wonder if the kid just made that up to try to give a reason for pulling the knife?
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The mom said he saved for a long time to afford the stereo system. He was very upset. He made a terrible decision in the heat of the moment that sent him to jail.
 

Jordekorn said:
It was said specifically because it's a ridiculous comparison in an attempt to highlight the ridiculous idea that a woman is unable to consent but a man becomes a rapist when both are in similar states of intoxication. To me, this implies that women are less capable of consent than men, which is ludicrous.

Obviously, if one party is significantly more inebriated than the other, the consent issue becomes clear.

I understand it's almost impossible to look back and judge intoxication levels, and it's an extremely complex issue.
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Your critique/complaint doesn't hold water, because one party "loses" something while the other does not.

One party is physically violated/penetrated, while the other is doing that act.


If a homeowner and some guy outside are both drunk off their ass, and the guy claims the homeowner invited him inside the house and gave him a TV to take on the way out, and homeowner says he never did that and never would've done that in a right mind ..... that wasn't an equal physical outcome to the situation.
 

hungan1 said:
The mom said he saved for a long time to afford the stereo system. He was very upset. He made a terrible decision in the heat of the moment that sent him to jail.
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I'm just saying, even in this case I don't think the story is as simple as you made it out to be in the previous post.

If it was merely like this: kid sees thief jacking around his car, runs outside with a knife, and the guy saw him and ran away .... and that was it, no way he would've been arrest and sent to prison for that.

Makes me think it was more like: guy saw him, then gave up and tried to run away ... and then the kid decided to pursue him and threaten/attempt to stab him. That would make sense for deadly assault or whatever he was charged with.
 

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ootball-players-first-degree-burglary-charges

A grand jury in Fayette County, Kentucky, has declined to indict six University of Kentucky football players on first-degree burglary charges.

The charges were brought last month following a police investigation of an incident last March at a private party.

Lexington Police arrested Reuben Adams, Robert McClain, Devito Tisdale, Joel Williams, Earnest Sanders IV and Andru Phillips on Aug. 19. Tisdale was also charged with first-degree wanton endangerment for allegedly pointing a gun at one of the victims.

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A Lexington Police release stated that three individuals entered a private party uninvited at a residence on March 6 and were asked to leave. They became upset and threatened to return, the release added, and returned a short time later with additional individuals.

The individuals forced their way inside the residence and one suspect was observed pointing a firearm at one of the occupants, the release stated. Court documents state that the players had "a physical altercation with multiple occupants of the residence" that left many of the occupants injured.
 

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