U of M basketball scheduling (Men & Women)



Current non-conference SOS rankings for the University of Minnesota basketball teams:

Men #353 (of 364)
Women #356 (of 362)

Quad 1 & 2 wins between them?

Zero. 👀 💩

#IronSharpensIron
It’s hard to get those wins when you don’t even play them (outside of the early B10 games they were forced to). I think there’s was one freaking game.
 


In business, you eliminate failing campaigns and re-allocate those financial resources towards more viable products.

Reaching a modest level of mediocrity doesn't even seem attainable at this point or in the near future. My current apathy for both programs matches our NC schedules so at least there is some symmetry. 👎
 


Current non-conference SOS rankings for the University of Minnesota basketball teams:

Men #353 (of 364)
Women #356 (of 362)

Quad 1 & 2 wins between them?

Zero. 👀 💩

#IronSharpensIron
It is always said that the coaches control this. With it happening in both programs, one of them with a seemingly competent coach- doesn't it feel a little like there must be some push from the administration in this direction?
 


another of the great mysteries surrounding Gopher Athletics:

where is Mark Coyle? What does Mark Coyle think about any of this? Does Mark Coyle give a rat's ass about anything other than Football?

does Mark Coyle really exist?

he might be the most invisible AD in major college sports.
It sounds like he's a good AD as long as he never needs to speak in public, hire a basketball coach, or navigate any changes in college sports.
 

another of the great mysteries surrounding Gopher Athletics:

where is Mark Coyle? What does Mark Coyle think about any of this? Does Mark Coyle give a rat's ass about anything other than Football?

does Mark Coyle really exist?

he might be the most invisible AD in major college sports.
 



I e-mailed AD Coyle after the release of the men’s basketball schedule to express my displeasure about the home non-conference slate. Somebody/some thing responded by thanking me for offering my opinion. I have seen him at a couple basketball games this year and—to your point—on the field at Camp Randall hugging PJ after the win.
 

It is always said that the coaches control this. With it happening in both programs, one of them with a seemingly competent coach- doesn't it feel a little like there must be some push from the administration in this direction?
What would the administrations logic be to allow or worse promote that? Nobody wants to watch those opponents...increased apathy...no attendance. Absolutely sabotages your team for conference play with no quality opponents in preparation for the conference. Cannot be fun for the players or we really have the wrong recruits.

"Seemingly competent coach" was my thought going in too. But watching the offense, watching the defense, seeing the non conference schedule, listening to post game press conferences etc
has me very worried. Multiple girls were jumping up and down defending a live ball handler on three point line during the non conference. In conference play, that will result in 5 on 4 on every possession. So many what the heck is this questions?

The only logic I see is two coaches hoping to fool people with undefeated pre season records.
And administration offering no leadership or guidance...just support...keep winning. Oh, what happened? We did so well in the beginning?
 






The only thing I'll say for the Women is they did play three power 5 (ish) teams in SMU, Oregon State and Houston. It just turns out all three were terrible.

But both teams need to do a better job of scheduling a better brand of cupcake.
We need to be better Hostesses?
 


Both schedules are terrible, but at least the women won their games. Still, as a season ticket holder for the women's team, I've yet to attend an actual game. Who wants to watch glorified scrimmages? Now that the Big Ten season has started, we'll see if they're any good or if that record is a mirage.
 

Gophers should be playing Iowa State, Marquette and St Thomas every year.

Home and homes with the first two. One game at Williams and one at Xcel or something with St Thomas.

None of this is very difficult. Give fans something to watch. If you're losing all these games, get better.
 

Gophers should be playing Iowa State, Marquette and St Thomas every year.

Home and homes with the first two. One game at Williams and one at Xcel or something with St Thomas.

None of this is very difficult. Give fans something to watch. If you're losing all these games, get better.

I'm less inclined to include Iowa State and Marquette in the schedule. They both recruit the Twin Cities very hard. We don't need one of them playing in Minnesota every year getting publicity and telling kids they will get to have a couple of "home" games if they come to ISU or Marquette. The Gophers already play in Iowa and/or Wisconsin each year, so no real benefit for Minnesota in playing at Iowa State or Marquette, save for maybe 100 people who might drive it to watch it. It isn't like football where a few thousand fans will travel.

As for St. Thomas, if they want to play the Gophers, they can play at Williams Arena every year. No need to give them a home game. They can bus the 4 miles to Williams Arena and play. If they don't wanna do that, so be it. We offered.

That said, I definitely think the schedule should upgrade. No question about that.

I'd like to see this.....occasionally try to get a blue blood in here....use friendships and connections to every now and then get a Kansas or a Duke or a bigger name school to come here and we can go there.

In other years, just simply schedule some good P5 teams. It really isn't that hard. We've done it before in recent years with Arkansas, Utah, Oklahoma State, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Missouri, Butler, etc. All teams do it. We just need to do it more and definitely at least one home game against a P5 every year. Minimum.

Strategically, try go to places where you have recruiting connections in that area and/or where current players on the team are from.
 
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I'm less inclined to include Iowa State and Marquette in the schedule. They both recruit the Twin Cities very hard. We don't need one of them playing in Minnesota every year getting publicity and telling kids they will get to have a couple of "home" games if they come to ISU or Marquette. The Gophers already play in Iowa and/or Wisconsin each year, so no real benefit for Minnesota in playing at Iowa State or Marquette, save for maybe 100 people who might drive it to watch it. It isn't like football where a few thousand fans will travel.

If we're worried about losing a bunch of recruits to Marquette and Iowa State because they get one home game every two years in Minneapolis we should just drop down to D3 or the Summit League.

I don't think the random Howard and Canisius transfers that we're getting these days really give a shit.
 

Gophers should be playing Iowa State, Marquette and St Thomas every year.

Home and homes with the first two. One game at Williams and one at Xcel or something with St Thomas.

None of this is very difficult. Give fans something to watch. If you're losing all these games, get better.
It would be fine to play Iowa State and Marquette. But you can't make them. They already play Wisconsin/Iowa, UWGB/Northern Iowa and their own exempt tournaments etc. They probably don't want another every year series.

I don't care if it's them or Kansas State and Virginia Tech. Just play one home and one road game with a decent power 5 opponent.
 

It would be fine to play Iowa State and Marquette. But you can't make them. They already play Wisconsin/Iowa and their own exempt tournaments etc. They probably don't want another every year series.

I don't care if it's them or Kansas State and Virginia Tech. Just play one home and one road game with a decent power 5 opponent.

I know you can't MAKE them. But a good AD can get these things going...but that would require a commitment to both their job and to Gopher Basketball.
 

I'm less inclined to include Iowa State and Marquette in the schedule. They both recruit the Twin Cities very hard. We don't need one of them playing in Minnesota every year getting publicity and telling kids they will get to have a couple of "home" games if they come to ISU or Marquette. The Gophers already play in Iowa and/or Wisconsin each year, so no real benefit for Minnesota in playing at Iowa State or Marquette, save for maybe 100 people who might drive it to watch it. It isn't like football where a few thousand fans will travel.

As for St. Thomas, if they want to play the Gophers, they can play at Williams Arena every year. No need to give them a home game. They can bus the 4 miles to Williams Arena and play. If they don't wanna do that, so be it. We offered.

That said, I definitely think the schedule should upgrade. No question about that.

I'd like to see this.....occasionally try to get a blue blood in here....use friendships and connections to every now and then get a Kansas or a Duke or a bigger name school to come here and we can go there.

In other years, just simply schedule some good P5 teams. It really isn't that hard. We've done it before in recent years with Arkansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, Butler, etc. All teams do it. We just need to do it more and definitely at least one home game against a P5 every year. Minimum.

Strategically, try go to places where you have recruiting connections in that area and/or where current players on the team are from.
Iowa and Wisconsin play here once a year and have for decades. Each of them recruit Mn. Wi very well.
Iowa plays Iowa State every year.
Mn will never be better until this mindset is abolished.
 

I don't care if it's them or Kansas State and Virginia Tech. Just play one home and one road game with a decent power 5 opponent.
Yep. Need two power opponents annually, one home and and one away. Plus a decent non conf neutral site tourney like our Disney one this year.

Not asking for the moon here. We can still have 4-5 cupcakes roll into the Barn every year and nobody would bat an eye if that's the setup.

And I'd play UST, give them a 2 for 1. The STP game can be at their new arena or at the Xcel, either way.
 

Yep. Need two power opponents annually, one home and and one away. Plus a decent non conf neutral site tourney like our Disney one this year.

Not asking for the moon here. We can still have 4-5 cupcakes roll into the Barn every year and nobody would bat an eye if that's the setup.

And I'd play UST, give them a 2 for 1. The STP game can be at their new arena or at the Xcel, either way.
I'm guessing St. Thomas wouldn't require you to give them a home game. You could even put them on an every other year rotation with NDSU or something. But at least play them.
 

FWIW - one thing impacting the schedule - the demise of the B1G/ACC challenge.

if you missed it, the annual matchups between the two leagues ended after the 2022-23 season - because ESPN lost its media rights to the B1G. ESPN replaced the B1G/ACC challenge with - you guessed it - the ACC/SEC challenge.
 

If we're worried about losing a bunch of recruits to Marquette and Iowa State because they get one home game every two years in Minneapolis we should just drop down to D3 or the Summit League.

I'm not all that worried. I am just less inclined to give them any additional publicity locally, etc. They hit this area hard. Like I'm not going to cancel my season tickets if we host Marquette every other year or anything. I don't have a huge hankering to host them, I don't particularly follow them or consider them a rival or even a regional rival. I'd just as soon host someone else, but isn't a big deal if we do. I would lean away from is all. I'd rather have an ACC or SEC team come up and play us.
 

Wi very well.

Mn will never be better until this mindset is abolished.

Yeah, that is kind of my point. Why let another team from Wisconsin come in and play a game here every other year? Especially one that recruits this town hard.

I'm not running away from the competition at all.

I'd just rather schedule other Power 5 teams, that is all. If we never play Marquette or Iowa State, but instead play Tennessee and Syracuse, I'm good with that.

Every now and then, bring in a Duke, Kansas, Arizona, someone like that.

The right coach will do that.

Tubby (because of his national cache and his popularity among other coaches) could have done that, but chose to schedule easy wins instead.
 

Yeah, that is kind of my point. Why let another team from Wisconsin come in and play a game here every other year? Especially one that recruits this town hard.

I'm not running away from the competition at all.

I'd just rather schedule other Power 5 teams, that is all. If we never play Marquette or Iowa State, but instead play Tennessee and Syracuse, I'm good with that.

Every now and then, bring in a Duke, Kansas, Arizona, someone like that.

The right coach will do that.

Tubby (because of his national cache and his popularity among other coaches) could have done that, but chose to schedule easy wins instead.
Iowa schools play each other annually. And so does whisky and marq. Doesn't hurt them.

When they come to town, beat them. Win.

That takes care of your concerns. Until this mindset changes Mn will continue to lose.
 





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