Tubby is as good as gone...who you got?
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Nice way of Keeping the Faith, Guys!
Here lies the gopher faithful epitaph- We are solidly behind our team unless we loss- then FIRE the coach!
Here lies the gopher faithful epitaph- We are solidly behind our team unless we loss- then FIRE the coach!
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This team is no better than one one Tubby inherited, done and done. We have seen no upgrade in players or game strategy, done and done. After four years, he's failed to deliver. Sound familiar?
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Come back and make that same statement 3 or 4 years from now when the Gophers are still struggling to finish 6th in the conference under Tubby and one-and-done in the tournament at best. I think Tubby is washed up. The mediocre recruiting that made him bolt from Kentucky is the same thing we are seeing now. His system may work great with the right players....but if we don't have the players, isn't that Tubby's screw up?
I think Tubby's days of having elite teams are long, long gone. I sure hope I'm wrong but...
The BBall team has lost 3 of its best 6 or 7 players. This bad stretch is not a result of poor coaching, recruiting or anything else. Its a result of attrition. Tell me one team that loses this many key players and is still effective. Everyone needs to chill out, this once promising season has been derailed by injuries. Its bad luck but its part of the game.
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Tubby doesn't win though. He has a losing record in Big Ten games in 4 seasons...that's a pattern my friend. Bottom line, he has missed on several recruits like Iverson, Maverick and Rodney. Those players have no business seeing the minutes they do. Doesn't it scare you to think about watching a team made up 100 percent Smith players. Yikes! He simply hasnt recruited depth or serious talent outside of Trevor Mbakwe. He also seems lost when it comes to the technical side of running an offense. Its ridiculous
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Are you ignoring BTT games for a reason? And it might be wise to see how the rest of the season plays out.
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So we have a few saying Maverick should be playing more often, then someone else saying Tubby missed on him and doesn't deserve the minutes he's getting. "The sky is falling after every loss" people need to get your act together.
Are you really comparing Tubby Smith to Tim Brewster? Really? Seriously? If so, this is the most absurd post I've ever read on here, which is quite a feat.
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Wow. I can't believe the number of reactionaries we have floating around this board. No upgrade in players? This Year 4 Tubby team would absolutely crush Tubby's Year 1 team. I enjoyed Tollackson's game, but he'd foul out in 12 minutes vs. Trevor and Ralph.
Bandana Guy- If Tubby has way better personnel this year then why is it that the team is likely going to have a worse record? I think the team of 4 years ago would beat the team we saw last night. Tubby has just done a lousy coaching job with this squad. Meanwhile he did a very good job with the team 4 years ago. I think he has become more stubborn, less engaged and the other coaches in league know his system and how to play him. I am hopeful he comes out with renewed energy and some new assistants next year.
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I've made this call elsewhere and I'll put it down here as well:
Tubby to NC State
Tim Miles to the U
Not saying it's what I want, but it's what I think is going to happen.
Tubby to NC State
Tim Miles to the U
Not saying it's what I want, but it's what I think is going to happen.
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Obviously there are a wide number of factors that dictate your record from year to year. One big one is level of competition, and I think that this years conference is tougher than in 2007-08. Your Penn State's and Michigan's are much better now, and your 'dregs' of the league (Iowa and IU) cannot be overlooked, unlike the 2007-08 bottom feeder, Northwestern (8-22 [1-17]). The Gophers also played a MUCH softer pre-conference schedule that season, with their toughest games on the road at FSU (lost by 14) and UNLV (lost by 17). Their only won 1 of 8 games over a ranked team that entire season, against Indiana (#22) in the B10 tourney (on Blake's famous shot). This year's team has proven (when at full strength) to be talented enough to take down the likes of UNC, WVU, and a top-notch Purdue team, and go toe-to-toe with anybody in the league. Not so in 2007-08.
I'm not a believer that Tubby has done a 'lousy job' this season, given the fact that he's had so many personnel options lost to him. I do believe in a pretty simple ethos in college basketball, particularly come tourney time - that is, 'the teams with the better guard play generally win the most games'. If you share that belief, then you know how hard it is going to be to win games in crunch time.
I do agree that other coaches in the league might have some of Tubby's tricks figured out by now, and it wouldn't hurt to get a fresh offensive approach with a new assistant or two. But given the roster Tubby's had to work with of late, its tough to win games late with out better guard play.
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The team four years ago didn't lose 3 of it's top 8 players either. I know some think it's just an excuse, but there's no doubt we are a much stronger team if we had Nolen, Joseph, and Walker. You certainly can't blame Tubby for the Nolen and Walker injuries. It's hard to really know who is to blame for Joseph leaving as we don't have the entire story. Even with just Nolen, we are a much better team than what we saw last night.
Iverson, Mav, and Rodney are seeing the minutes they do because Royce washed out, Carter and Cobbs bolted in the off-season, Joseph bolted mid-season, and Nolen and Walker got hurt.
I don't think it's that hard to see that the roster we had to start the season would have been 12-6 in the Big Ten, with a good NCAA tourney seed.
Is it an excuse? No. It's an Explanation. Our roster has been gutted like a fish. If that's not an explanation for our performance I don't know what is.
+1. If Tubby makes that trade, he's crazy. 3rd best team in your own state on a good year (5th or 6th in a bad year) and unreasonable fans who think what Jim Valvano did can be replicated.
These are my issues with Tubby:
1) He's hard headed. He will not change/adapt his system to fit his players. He expects his players to play within the system, even if they can't. Even if it costs them the game. Examples: Hoff at point, 3+ freshman in at the same time (mass substitutions), Chip.
2) He doesn't develop players well. Look across the board and you'll see minimal improvement. It's as if he's only teaching them the necessary things to make his system work, and not developing their strengths.
1) He's hard headed. He will not change/adapt his system to fit his players. He expects his players to play within the system, even if they can't. Even if it costs them the game. Examples: Hoff at point, 3+ freshman in at the same time (mass substitutions), Chip.
2) He doesn't develop players well. Look across the board and you'll see minimal improvement. It's as if he's only teaching them the necessary things to make his system work, and not developing their strengths.
You realize that all of these major issues come back to tubby for taking these players on right? It was he who recruited them, and it will be he that takes the consequences whatever they shall be. In the end, his downfall will be his own fault. I'm not even including the players who he recruited who are playing poorly.
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I'm not sure what his last year at Kentucky has to do with anything.
less than 0% chance Tubby is fired, if Time Brewster can last as long as he did and Don Lucia is still the hockey coach how could you fire Tubby?
I think the person most frustrated this season is Tubby himself, that paired with the lack of progress on the promised practice facility and I wouldn't be surprised if he took another job. I don't want him to leave but you can't pretend that there's no chance of him leaving.
I think the person most frustrated this season is Tubby himself, that paired with the lack of progress on the promised practice facility and I wouldn't be surprised if he took another job. I don't want him to leave but you can't pretend that there's no chance of him leaving.
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That was MOLINARI who coached pretty much the entire year in a 9 win season. Monson's worst year was 12 wins. In Monson's defense, he took over when program was gutted, tainted and operated under sanctions for three years. Not an easy thing to do for any coach. I never said Monson was great but he helped restore the Gopher's tarnished image and even managed a winning Big Ten record sooner than Tubby. Tubby is doing an ok job given that he has an incompetent AD getting in his way, but I expected more from Tubby by now.
Here is my 2 cents:
Tubby will not be fired and he doesn't deserve to be. Nor will he leave to take another job. He is getting to old to want to go somewhere else and start over. Just my opinion. I saw where someone earlier mentioned about how Tubby's name keeps coming up for vacant jobs. I must kindly disagree. Many times a person being mentioned for a job is rumor only. There is a huge difference between being rumored or mentioned for a job and being interviewed and an offer made. I may be wrong but I have not seen Tubby's name come up seriously for any big time jobs in quite some time.
One thing about Tubby you can take to the bank. He will NEVER change his way of doing things. Unlike many successful people who constantly re evaluate themselves and the way they do things in order to improve, Tubby is not one of those people. He is VERY defensive about how he does things and VERY stubborn. He may talk change but in the end he will ALWAYS go back to how he does things. Thats just the way it is with him and to hope for anything else is pure folly.
Tubby is a fine person but in my opinion he is an average coach. He is not as elite as the media has built him up to be. This year for the Gophers is a very typical Tubby year. Win a bunch a early season cupcake games to stack up some wins and then drop like a rock when the competition picks up. Look at the bulk of where the wins are this year. I know there has been some adversity but Tubby always seems to have adversity. Top Elite coaches work around adversity and still come out on top. Not all years but most of them.
I am of the opinion that Tubby's style and stubbornness are doing him in. Top recruits don't seem to want to play his system with every other word out of his mouth be "defense". Todays kids that want to make the next level and that can get you deep in the conference and NCAA don't want to play "slowdown, no offense, defense if king, basketball".
While Tubby has a NCAA championship to his credit he still has only 1 Final Four in 20 years as a Div.1 head coach.
He gets most of his wins against easy opponents and fails most times against top competition. IT is always something
and it always will be something. It is always "wait till next year". Then "next year" comes and something else goes wrong.
ALWAYS
Tubby will not be fired and he doesn't deserve to be. Nor will he leave to take another job. He is getting to old to want to go somewhere else and start over. Just my opinion. I saw where someone earlier mentioned about how Tubby's name keeps coming up for vacant jobs. I must kindly disagree. Many times a person being mentioned for a job is rumor only. There is a huge difference between being rumored or mentioned for a job and being interviewed and an offer made. I may be wrong but I have not seen Tubby's name come up seriously for any big time jobs in quite some time.
One thing about Tubby you can take to the bank. He will NEVER change his way of doing things. Unlike many successful people who constantly re evaluate themselves and the way they do things in order to improve, Tubby is not one of those people. He is VERY defensive about how he does things and VERY stubborn. He may talk change but in the end he will ALWAYS go back to how he does things. Thats just the way it is with him and to hope for anything else is pure folly.
Tubby is a fine person but in my opinion he is an average coach. He is not as elite as the media has built him up to be. This year for the Gophers is a very typical Tubby year. Win a bunch a early season cupcake games to stack up some wins and then drop like a rock when the competition picks up. Look at the bulk of where the wins are this year. I know there has been some adversity but Tubby always seems to have adversity. Top Elite coaches work around adversity and still come out on top. Not all years but most of them.
I am of the opinion that Tubby's style and stubbornness are doing him in. Top recruits don't seem to want to play his system with every other word out of his mouth be "defense". Todays kids that want to make the next level and that can get you deep in the conference and NCAA don't want to play "slowdown, no offense, defense if king, basketball".
While Tubby has a NCAA championship to his credit he still has only 1 Final Four in 20 years as a Div.1 head coach.
He gets most of his wins against easy opponents and fails most times against top competition. IT is always something
and it always will be something. It is always "wait till next year". Then "next year" comes and something else goes wrong.
ALWAYS
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Because we have 8 players. That wasn't exactly expected. A full team this year would've crushed his year 1 team.
I DO realize that. I'd like to talk about these background reasons instead of talking about how many minutes Iverson is playing. We have no choice at this point but to give big minutes to marginal players... but still, everyone is screaming about substitution patterns and offensive execution.
We are, literally, a bad team right now. It wouldn't matter if Bo Ryan or Tom Izzo or John Wooden was on the sidelines.