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Sorry to drive the thread off topic, if it is, but this is my opinion (for how little that is worth) on this stuff right now:

College NIL and free transfers have now taken it above and beyond what is allowed/possible in the NFL under their collective bargaining agreement -- that is a bad thing. Guys even trying to force coaches/programs to make them starters, via contract?? Bad. No other way to slice that.

I don't know how you do it legally, it might require a new law to be passed, but you've got to make it so that at least in FBS football (work it out however for other levels/sports) the players come under some sort of collectively bargained agreement that makes sense!
 

MNVCGUY said:
At this point it seems like anytime a player challenges an existing rule they win. Someone is going to try and find a way to transfer in season with immediate eligibility it is only a matter of time.
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That's one that I'm not really concerned about. There is no way to be immediately eligible, unless they truly are not a student. If that happens, then it really is no longer in any way a college sport and should either just shut it down or say schools are just hiring young adults to wear their school colors but they don't have to do any type of school. I already have much less interest as so much "college" is gone about this and have given up season tix for football and bball, and that would put me over the edge. Basketball way worse as every game you watch now the majority of guys played for someone else last year. Football doesn't have quite as much turnover with primary players.
 

College football always needs to be 18-22 year olds (nominal case, there are exceptions of course) who are going to that school.

If they make it like the College UFL ... guys in their 30's who don't take any classes, good enough for lower P5 but not good enough for NFL ... I'm out, for good.
 

I'd bet it's only a matter of time until players transfer in season and get to play for their new team immediately. Time will tell. That will really make the portal a cluster.
 

Tucker32 said:
That's one that I'm not really concerned about. There is no way to be immediately eligible, unless they truly are not a student. If that happens, then it really is no longer in any way a college sport and should either just shut it down or say schools are just hiring young adults to wear their school colors but they don't have to do any type of school. I already have much less interest as so much "college" is gone about this and have given up season tix for football and bball, and that would put me over the edge. Basketball way worse as every game you watch now the majority of guys played for someone else last year. Football doesn't have quite as much turnover with primary players.
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I agree that the in season transfer would be tough to pull off in football, different story in basketball though because there is a semester break that falls during the season. If it happens it will almost certainly happen in basketball first.

Plenty of turnover with primary players in football as well anymore. The transfering that takes place at the QB position is off the charts but lots of WR/RB moving around as well. It would actually be kind of interesting to look at rosters and compare how many kids are home grown vs. transfers but that would be a difficult undertaking.
 


mggoph said:
I'd bet it's only a matter of time until players transfer in season and get to play for their new team immediately. Time will tell. That will really make the portal a cluster.
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But to Tucker32's point .... you can't do that, academically. Transfer in the middle/last third of a semester, I mean.

You could transfer after the end of the semester. The concern of that would be a guy who transfers to a different school for the playoff. I hope they ban that
 

GopherGrit said:
But to Tucker32's point .... you can't do that, academically. Transfer in the middle/last third of a semester, I mean.

You could transfer after the end of the semester. The concern of that would be a guy who transfers to a different school for the playoff. I hope they ban that
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you can't do that yet, academically. They are employees now, and you can't restrict that according to the courts. Just my opinion that it will eventually happen.
 

mggoph said:
you can't do that yet, academically. They are employees now, and you can't restrict that according to the courts. Just my opinion that it will eventually happen.
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Someone is going to attempt it....and with the way the court battles have gone they will probably win. I hope we don't get there but I won't be shocked one bit when someone tries to fight for the ability to do it.
 

mggoph said:
you can't do that yet, academically. They are employees now, and you can't restrict that according to the courts. Just my opinion that it will eventually happen.
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Who is an employee? Student athletes are not officially employees yet.

The activist leader of the NLRB who allowed the Dartmouth mess to happen, just got s__-canned by the new administration.

We will see, but I think schools will fight tooth and nail to prevent student-athletes from becoming formal employees of the school. The schools don't want that.
 



MNVCGUY said:
Someone is going to attempt it....and with the way the court battles have gone they will probably win. I hope we don't get there but I won't be shocked one bit when someone tries to fight for the ability to do it.
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You can't force schools to accept a mid-semester transfer as immediately academically eligible to continue taking classes??

TI could see an avenue instead to go after the NCAA, to say that it shouldn't matter if the new school says he can't be enrolled yet, he should get to play for the team anyway.

That is a concern
 

GopherGrit said:
Who is an employee? Student athletes are not officially employees yet.

The activist leader of the NLRB who allowed the Dartmouth mess to happen, just got s__-canned by the new administration.

We will see, but I think schools will fight tooth and nail to prevent student-athletes from becoming formal employees of the school. The schools don't want that.
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I agree with what you are saying but at this point it doesn't really seem to matter what the schools want.
 

GopherGrit said:
You can't force schools to accept a mid-semester transfer as immediately academically eligible to continue taking classes??

TI could see an avenue instead to go after the NCAA, to say that it shouldn't matter if the new school says he can't be enrolled yet, he should get to play for the team anyway.

That is a concern
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Again, I agree.....still think it is going to happen eventually. I mean just look at all the things that have happened over the past few seasons that none of us would have expected like 5 years ago.
 

I just can't see how you can force a school to make a person be a student, if the school does not want that person to be a student and can justify either expulsion or not admitting them in the first place.

That's completely separate from the NCAA and its rules regarding eligibility to play college sports -- one of which (a bedrock one, in my opinion) is that you have to be an enrolled student at that school.


You're completely right though, everything is on the table these days. I am very interested to see where it goes. Hoping for the best
 



Just another log on the fire. Junior college years don't count towards four-year eligibility in this lawsuit. What a mess.


 

MNVCGUY said:
Someone is going to attempt it....and with the way the court battles have gone they will probably win. I hope we don't get there but I won't be shocked one bit when someone tries to fight for the ability to do it.
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I hope I'm wrong, but I bet it eventually happens.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Just another log on the fire. Junior college years don't count towards four-year eligibility in this lawsuit. What a mess.


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If this ruling stands it will be interesting to see how many players are able to get some extra eligibility because of it. Makes sense that Pavia is trying to stay in college as long as possible because his NFL prospects are none so he is trying to make as much as he can in college.
 

What is a possible way to say that someone has run out of eligibility for college sports?

Can't you keep getting bachelor's degrees forever?

You can make a clock, but that is arbitrary, why can't it be challenged?

You can say "maximum is one bachelor's and one master's/professional degree, then you're done", but that's also arbitrary.
 

MNVCGUY said:
If this ruling stands it will be interesting to see how many players are able to get some extra eligibility because of it. Makes sense that Pavia is trying to stay in college as long as possible because his NFL prospects are none so he is trying to make as much as he can in college.
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There's going to be a flood of follow up lawsuits. If this stands for everyone, JC will basically become prep school in the football factory pipeline.

If I'm a lightly recruited bubble D1 player (in my mind), I'm for sure going JC first instead of heading to a lower division as a freshman. D1 will be filled with 21 year old freshman out of JC.
 

Panthadad2 said:
There's going to be a flood of follow up lawsuits. If this stands for everyone, JC will basically become prep school in the football factory pipeline.

If I'm a lightly recruited bubble D1 player (in my mind), I'm for sure going JC first instead of heading to a lower division as a freshman. D1 will be filled with 21 year old freshman out of JC.
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Would make sense.....use those couple years to develop, get stronger and then start your college eligibility after that.
 

Panthadad2 said:
There's going to be a flood of follow up lawsuits. If this stands for everyone, JC will basically become prep school in the football factory pipeline.

If I'm a lightly recruited bubble D1 player (in my mind), I'm for sure going JC first instead of heading to a lower division as a freshman. D1 will be filled with 21 year old freshman out of JC.
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Sounds like college hockey with older kids coming out of the Juniors.
 

GopherGrit said:
You can't force schools to accept a mid-semester transfer as immediately academically eligible to continue taking classes??

TI could see an avenue instead to go after the NCAA, to say that it shouldn't matter if the new school says he can't be enrolled yet, he should get to play for the team anyway.

That is a concern
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That is the avenue. I could see a class action anti-trust suit being filed against the NCAA. My primary fear is that the whole concept of student/athlete is simply going to go the way of the dinosaur.
 

50PoundHead said:
That is the avenue. I could see a class action anti-trust suit being filed against the NCAA. My primary fear is that the whole concept of student/athlete is simply going to go the way of the dinosaur.
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It will never go away entirely because the non-revenue sports are not affected to nearly the same level by all of the craziness going on in college football and basketball right now.

In the sports people really pay attention to....the "student" part of Student Athlete hasn't been the focus for quite some time. That isn't to say it isn't still part of things, but there is no way all this transferring and $$$ chasing translates to success in the classroom as well.
 

Panthadad2 said:
There's going to be a flood of follow up lawsuits. If this stands for everyone, JC will basically become prep school in the football factory pipeline.

If I'm a lightly recruited bubble D1 player (in my mind), I'm for sure going JC first instead of heading to a lower division as a freshman. D1 will be filled with 21 year old freshman out of JC.
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It'll almost be like juniors in hockey. Lots of 20-21 year old freshman in college hockey.
 



MNVCGUY said:
Again, I agree.....still think it is going to happen eventually. I mean just look at all the things that have happened over the past few seasons that none of us would have expected like 5 years ago.
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If it does then it allows the players to unionize and collectively bargain like any employee of the school. That is not something most people in power on either side of the argument want.

Most schools aren't going to stand for players leaving midseason...there will be a push to have players contracted for seasons to prevent it. Once that enters the chat its all over but the shouting.

And FWIW the "professional" NCAA would not be any real threat to the NFL. Too many teams and players that are way too young spread out amongst them.
 

Panthadad2 said:
Just another log on the fire. Junior college years don't count towards four-year eligibility in this lawsuit. What a mess.


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Can’t believe the Court didn’t tell college football to figure it out themselves on this issue.

Why weigh into it??
 

GophersInIowa said:
It'll almost be like juniors in hockey. Lots of 20-21 year old freshman in college hockey.
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So let's say they go the nuclear route and squash eligibility years entirely. You may get players who never need to leave because they make more money here than the NFL. Will we see 35 year olds playing against 18 year olds?
 

How do you legally stop someone who wants to be a professional student-athlete from doing that for 20 years? Just keep getting new bachelor's degree after another. In good academic standing. School wants them, team wants them. What's the legal basis??
 


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