Transfer Portal so far (UM, IA, NE, WI)

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It appears that NE and WI are hitting/being hit by the portal hard at this point, as per 247. We're in the middle. IA very little. Interesting to see how it all plays out.

MN 9 out 15 in
IA 12 out 2 in
NE 24 out 10 in
WI 25 out 16 in
 


roughly they will all need to even out depending on the class leaving and freshman
Being our resident and somewhat sane badger fan, what's your take on wisky's situation? (Transfers out/coaching changes, disarray...)
 

Is the 105 roster limit set in stone? Nebraska had 149 players on its roster before the Iowa game. With recruits and transfers coming in, they have to get rid of 60 plus to get there. Unless I read the rule wrong.
 

Fill me in regarding the 105 roster limit. I've read a lot about it here on GopherHole lately. Is this a new rule/roster limit size. What was the "old" roster limit?
 



The 105 is a new rule, so teams with huge walk-on programs have to get rid of a ton of players. The days of walk-ons are essentially over now with this new rule
And, if I correctly understand it, all 105 can be on scholarship, but they don’t have to be.
 

Being our resident and somewhat sane badger fan, what's your take on wisky's situation? (Transfers out/coaching changes, disarray...)
Lol. Thanks for the compliment. (I think) for the record I graduated from MN in 1998 and am a much bigger gopher fan.

I think the badgers fanbase believes Fickell will be gone end of next year if not sooner. They are losing a decent amount of talent, and while their HS classes are decently ranked, the coaches have not developed much high end talent. Also in all honesty the expectation there, whether legit or not, is 9-10 wins every year. I think Fickell needs 7 wins minimum next year to keep his job.
 

Fill me in regarding the 105 roster limit. I've read a lot about it here on GopherHole lately. Is this a new rule/roster limit size. What was the "old" roster limit?

as I understand it, the 105 roster limit is part of a series of changes being made due to the pending settlement of the 'House' anti-trust case (the same settlement that led to revenue-sharing).

several NCAA sports had their roster limits adjusted. as noted by other posters, a D1 FB team will be limited to 105 players on roster. teams do have leeway on the issue of scholarships - all 105 players on the roster are eligible to receive a scholarship - but it is not required, so some players could have no scholarship, or receive a partial scholarship.

before, there was no real limit. teams could have as many walk-ons as they wanted, but the scholarship limit was 85. I saw a note that the average roster size for D1 FB programs was 122.
 



Lol. Thanks for the compliment. (I think) for the record I graduated from MN in 1998 and am a much bigger gopher fan.

I think the badgers fanbase believes Fickell will be gone end of next year if not sooner. They are losing a decent amount of talent, and while their HS classes are decently ranked, the coaches have not developed much high end talent. Also in all honesty the expectation there, whether legit or not, is 9-10 wins every year. I think Fickell needs 7 wins minimum next year to keep his job.
I follow buckys5thquarter (never post) and that is my take as well. Also, they have a rugged schedule next year, on paper anyway.
 

The 105 rule doesn’t kick in until August
 

The 105 is a new rule, so teams with huge walk-on programs have to get rid of a ton of players. The days of walk-ons are essentially over now with this new rule
The 105 rule got me thinking int he wake of the Pavia-centric Junior College ruling. I wonder if that will steer more walk-ons to JC programs where it appears there won't be a crimp on eligibility like there would be at the 4-year college level.
 

The 105 rule got me thinking int he wake of the Pavia-centric Junior College ruling. I wonder if that will steer more walk-ons to JC programs where it appears there won't be a crimp on eligibility like there would be at the 4-year college level.
Unless I’m wrong the Pavia case hasn’t actually been ruled on yet. I believe an injunction was issued that allows former JUCO players to continue playing as if their JUCO years didn’t count towards eligibility. The court could still rule that the years count, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NCAA lose in court again.

If someone smarter than me understands the situation better please feel free to correct me but I believe that’s where it currently stands.
 



Unless I’m wrong the Pavia case hasn’t actually been ruled on yet. I believe an injunction was issued that allows former JUCO players to continue playing as if their JUCO years didn’t count towards eligibility. The court could still rule that the years count, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see the NCAA lose in court again.

If someone smarter than me understands the situation better please feel free to correct me but I believe that’s where it currently stands.
It hasn't been decided, but if the pattern of previous decisions holds, I think it will go the way of the players. Every ruling to this point has been in favor of the players.
 

247 does a transfer portal ranking just like they do for recruiting classes but I feel like they should also do a transfer portal ranking for players leaving. Wisconsin, for instance, is ranked pretty high for the transfer portal but they also lost a lot of good, productive players.

Having a top 10 transfer portal class isn't as significant if the players leaving through the portal are also equivalent of a top 10 class.
 

247 does a transfer portal ranking just like they do for recruiting classes but I feel like they should also do a transfer portal ranking for players leaving. Wisconsin, for instance, is ranked pretty high for the transfer portal but they also lost a lot of good, productive players.

Having a top 10 transfer portal class isn't as significant if the players leaving through the portal are also equivalent of a top 10 class.

Good point. The Gophers have a really good net transfer ranking unless something big changes. Only lost one player who was likely to be a future starter this cycle, and gained a bunch.
 

247 does a transfer portal ranking just like they do for recruiting classes but I feel like they should also do a transfer portal ranking for players leaving. Wisconsin, for instance, is ranked pretty high for the transfer portal but they also lost a lot of good, productive players.

Having a top 10 transfer portal class isn't as significant if the players leaving through the portal are also equivalent of a top 10 class.
yeah, a NET transfer portal class would be a more interesting ranking....recruiting just has a whole different meaning nowadays. Recruiting HS, portal, and your own players.

Would be interesting to almost have a Madden style ranking of each program's roster. Fleck and staff have said it is their job to find better players to replace the current ones and it is the player's job to keep their job. So you are bound to see folks leave the program when a more talented player joins the team. As long as the NET roster talent improves, you can build off the success of the previous year.
 

And, if I correctly understand it, all 105 can be on scholarship, but they don’t have to be.
I think this is right ... will depend on what individual schools approve for football. Also could, I assume, be limited by a conference wide decision (e.g. B1G might limit football scholarships to, say, 95). So, for all we know, in the absence of any B1G dictate, PJ might have current authority (from the U) to give out 90 or 95 (or more) scholarships beginning with 2025 season ... meaning he wouldn't have to balance exactly current "ins and outs" to get to 85 scholarships. Just speculation, of course, based on new rule.

Iowa is the mystery for me. Maybe it plans on hitting the spring portal hard, when there will be less competition (as so many schools will already have hit their incoming transfer limits)(??)
 

247 does a transfer portal ranking just like they do for recruiting classes but I feel like they should also do a transfer portal ranking for players leaving. Wisconsin, for instance, is ranked pretty high for the transfer portal but they also lost a lot of good, productive players.

Having a top 10 transfer portal class isn't as significant if the players leaving through the portal are also equivalent of a top 10 class.
I know they list guys that leave through portal and obviously rank those players but I imagine that would be tough to do. But I do agree what hurts Wisconsin and Nebraska is ultimately what are there classes joining, they might rank a little higher than Minnesota but what Minnesota has going for them is a nice returning core of establish players it's not a tear down and rebuild every position group like some other schools.
 

Good point. The Gophers have a really good net transfer ranking unless something big changes. Only lost one player who was likely to be a future starter this cycle, and gained a bunch.
I’m not thrilled to lose McWilliams, but it was going to take another year or two before he’d be contributing. Other than that, pretty sweet to only be losing Daniels. Especially since we brought in three other olinemen with P4 starts.
 

Iowa seems to do well keeping their players, but doesn’t seem like they’re able to have great success with incoming transfers.
 

Iowa seems to do well keeping their players, but doesn’t seem like they’re able to have great success with incoming transfers.

I don't think they've pursued transfers as vigorously as many other programs (including ours). I've lurked on some Iowa boards and I've read a fair number of criticisms that they don't use the portal enough. Iowa has been a strong developer of talent over the years including some notable walk-ons who became accomplished players. Maybe that's a source of pride for Ferentz and company and could contribute to group cohesion. From what I gather, Ferentz seems stubbornly old school but I guess it's worked well enough for him so far.
 

247 does a transfer portal ranking just like they do for recruiting classes but I feel like they should also do a transfer portal ranking for players leaving. Wisconsin, for instance, is ranked pretty high for the transfer portal but they also lost a lot of good, productive players.

Having a top 10 transfer portal class isn't as significant if the players leaving through the portal are also equivalent of a top 10 class.
Brilliant and so obvious! The net gain is the all-important stat. Replacing a Yugo with another Yugo doesn't get you to Indianapolis.
 

Gophers, I would think, are the big winners in the transfer portal compared to those teams.. We lost one contributing player.
We expect 15 incoming guys to start or compete to start.
 

The 105 rule got me thinking int he wake of the Pavia-centric Junior College ruling. I wonder if that will steer more walk-ons to JC programs where it appears there won't be a crimp on eligibility like there would be at the 4-year college level.
Kinda like going to a prep school after high school to get more prepared for your Yale and Harvard applications. Go JUCO for 2 years then try and get recruited to P4 as a strong azz 20 year old with the same eligibility as the 18 year old high schoolers.
 

The 105 rule got me thinking int he wake of the Pavia-centric Junior College ruling. I wonder if that will steer more walk-ons to JC programs where it appears there won't be a crimp on eligibility like there would be at the 4-year college level.
Some issues with this is that JR colleges are meant for the 1st two years of schooling and getting an academic track record for 4 year schools. Many kids now graduate HS early and/or have some college credits done. I think it would be hard to go the JC route for good number of kids.
 

NE: Going into year 3 of Rhule and lots of moving parts with new coordinators, coaches and players.

WI: Same as Nebraska, but with a Coach firmly on the hot seat.

IA: Coach getting close to retirement, but like MN seem to really know what their culture is and stick to it.

MN: Similar to IA with a coach 30 years younger and most stability in a few years.
 

Some issues with this is that JR colleges are meant for the 1st two years of schooling and getting an academic track record for 4 year schools. Many kids now graduate HS early and/or have some college credits done. I think it would be hard to go the JC route for good number of kids.
I'm old and while what you are describing is the situation now, in the 1970s, a lot of high school graduates went to junior college to actually get credits and not just simply make themselves eligible to enroll in a higher-level program. Community College/Junior College has really changed a lot over the past couple of decades. Some students doing remedial work and a lot of mid-career folks. But those schools were legitimate academic institutions when I got out of high school.

My point is that guys going to junior college will see the field sooner than if they go to a four-year school right out of high school. That may entice some guys to head there unless the NCAA and courts come to some agreement on eligibility limits for junior college players. Of course, the 4-year schools can choose not to accept any credits earned in junior college.
 






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