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It has taken a turn in this direction but I wonder if it will eventually get to the point where some teams will go 80 or 90 percent portal recruiting because the athletes have a more proven track record.
 

MNSpaniel said:
It has taken a turn in this direction but I wonder if it will eventually get to the point where some teams will go 80 or 90 percent portal recruiting because the athletes have a more proven track record.
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I’ve been waiting for this. Seems like a good tactic for lower level teams, especially ones located in poor recruiting areas.
 



I think what you will see is the really sought after recruits getting a lot of attention and the 3 star kids getting less and less for this reason. The blue chippers are still going to get heavily recruited but more of these lesser recruited kids will probably get less recruiting from big programs and end up going to smaller programs for the first year or two then hitting the portal.

Could actually be good for both the kid and both teams involved. The kids will go more places they are likely to play, the teams they go to as freshman will get better quality players and be more competitive and the big programs will get more kids with experience and proven record in the portal.
 


mcrow47 said:
I think what you will see is the really sought after recruits getting a lot of attention and the 3 star kids getting less and less for this reason. The blue chippers are still going to get heavily recruited but more of these lesser recruited kids will probably get less recruiting from big programs and end up going to smaller programs for the first year or two then hitting the portal.

Could actually be good for both the kid and both teams involved. The kids will go more places they are likely to play, the teams they go to as freshman will get better quality players and be more competitive and the big programs will get more kids with experience and proven record in the portal.
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This pretty much sums up Phillip Daniels' path, but I think it'd be generous to call it good for us.
 

I am surprised it hasn’t happened yet. Some like Colorado have done mostly portal recruiting but I am surprised we haven’t seen a program flat-out drop high school recruiting.

I think the school that does it first will have a profile like Minnesota (or Colorado). Mid-tier P4 that can harvest the portal in 2 directions (transfers “up” and “down”) and who also doesn’t have a wealth of in-state high school talent.
 


Missouri coach commented yesterday that you can't really recruit potential anymore. You have to recruit production. I still think you can recruit guys that you think will produce in the first 2 years of the program or you have a mutual desire to develop over a 2-3 year span.

Iowa, Colorado, Kansas, UCF, Louisville, Vanderbilt, California, Purdue, and North Carolina all have 15 or less HS signees.
 



GopherTheJugular said:
This pretty much sums up Phillip Daniels' path, but I think it'd be generous to call it good for us.
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Well I was mainly talking about teams from none power conferences or the lower end of Div 1 losing kids to major conference schools. This actually hurts teams like the Gophers that don't have the NIL money that Ohio St. and the like have but they're still a major conference school.

The programs in the middle of the spectrum are the ones going to be hurt. They're not likely to get anymore recruits they previously would have gotten but they don't have the NIL money to get some of those stand out kids at smaller programs either and they probably will lose some to the big time football schools.
 

I think the portal has overall been a good thing for college football. It has spread around the talent. Guys are willing to go to lower levels and not as good of programs to get a better chance of playing early on.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I think the portal has overall been a good thing for college football. It has spread around the talent. Guys are willing to go to lower levels and not as good of programs to get a better chance of playing early on.
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I generally agree with that but I think there needs to be more rules on how it operates, it's like the old west out there.

I think it benefits the top and bottom of college football a lot more than the middle.
 

mcrow47 said:
I generally agree with that but I think there needs to be more rules on how it operates, it's like the old west out there.

I think it benefits the top and bottom of college football a lot more than the middle.
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Interesting. I feel like it has hurt the top programs more than it has helped them. They are losing good talent because they're stuck behind another player. A guy like Manning sticking around at Texas when he could probably start at a lot of other programs is unusual now days.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
Missouri coach commented yesterday that you can't really recruit potential anymore. You have to recruit production. I still think you can recruit guys that you think will produce in the first 2 years of the program or you have a mutual desire to develop over a 2-3 year span.
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It's becoming like corporations hiring employees, because it is now. Mostly hiring proven production with a small 2 year development program for the top up and comers.
 

Portal shopping is a lot more efficient for coaches. Instead of following a HS kid around for 2 years, going to HS games on Friday nights in who knows where town, recruiting call after recruiting call, etc., now you see a name in the portal, look at size/stats, send the kid a message to visit, then look at some game film, kid visits and commits that weekend.

You gotta keep the pipeline of players from both HS and Portal, but getting a 21 year old commit who's already produced at D1 level and only takes 1 week of recruitment, is a lot easier than building relationships with HS juniors, nurturing that, and not knowing how that kid is going to mature physically over the next few years.

Go Gophers!!
 

GophersInIowa said:
Interesting. I feel like it has hurt the top programs more than it has helped them. They are losing good talent because they're stuck behind another player. A guy like Manning sticking around at Texas when he could probably start at a lot of other programs is unusual now days.
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But one could argue it is making it much easier for top programs to maintain their standing as they basically just trade top end talent with other top programs and can lure top talent from lower ranks as well.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I think the portal has overall been a good thing for college football. It has spread around the talent. Guys are willing to go to lower levels and not as good of programs to get a better chance of playing early on.
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The portal has been fine. Immediate eligibility and unlimited transfers are the problem. Making coaches deal with unrestricted free agency for every player every year is a joke.

As for the shift in recruiting, the only way you recruit a project kid out of high school is if you are certain he isn't going anywhere no matter what (local kid, strong local ties). Otherwise, as others mentioned you have to look for guys that have a shot of contributing early.

Back in the old days you could project your roster 3-4-5 years down the line. Now you can maybe project 1-2 years out tops and even then you can't be certain guys won't leave.
 


GophersInIowa said:
Interesting. I feel like it has hurt the top programs more than it has helped them. They are losing good talent because they're stuck behind another player. A guy like Manning sticking around at Texas when he could probably start at a lot of other programs is unusual now days.
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I think for the really sought after recruits it probably does hurt them. But like the 3 star kids? Those are dime a dozen for big time football programs. Those are the kids going to smaller schools, blowing up then everyone wants them and then the big schools win the NIL bidding war.
 

I think that we will witness a lot of 3-star and 4-star high school QB prospects head to either smaller or less-prestigious programs where they can start right away in hopes of building a resume that will allow them to move up.
 

btowngopher said:
But one could argue it is making it much easier for top programs to maintain their standing as they basically just trade top end talent with other top programs and can lure top talent from lower ranks as well.
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Definitely. I'm not saying it's only negative for them. It just feels to me the gap between the elite and programs like Minnesota has lessened.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Definitely. I'm not saying it's only negative for them. It just feels to me the gap between the elite and programs like Minnesota has lessened.
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Absolutely. Look at the playoff. It includes SMU, Indiana, ASU and Boise. It does not include Alabama, Michigan, USC or any team in the state of Florida.
 


MaxyJR1 said:
If the final 4 is tOSU/Oregon, PSU, Texas, and Georgia and they aren't challenged in these games, not sure the gap is closing at all.
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The Gophers played the #4 team in the country toe to toe and I never felt like they didn't belong. PSU is still more talented, but not as much IMO.

All of those teams have already been challenged a decent amount by average or slightly above average teams.
 


After listening to the spineless NCAA President tesify before Congress it is very apparent that he won’t be making any waves to change the present portal arrangement. He is afraid of his own shadow. He might join James Franklin at the top of the jerk tree.
 

maybe I'm wrong - but it seems as if there are two levels of HS recruits.

the real upper-level recruits, like Perich or Darius Taylor, are going to play right away or at least in their 2nd year.

but most of the HS recruits wind up as practice fodder, and after a couple of years on the scout team or special teams, they get to see some portal player come into the program and bump them down the depth chart.

If you're not a Perich or Taylor-level player, I don't see any benefit to going to a P4 program as a true FR. You're better off going to a lower-level D1 program where you can get some reps on film to show off when you hit the portal in a year or two.
 

I still think players that can get an offer to go P4 should and develop in practice and back up roles. OL for example. D2 and D3 OL is hard to play as a freshmen. Coaches would rather have you in their program to monitor the development.

Looking at the Gopher right now, they are sitting on about 75 players committed to next year and that includes 21 freshmen. They have room to fill out 30 spots still from current and new players. I still think there is room for 20 freshmen every year to bring in.
 

disco said:
Absolutely. Look at the playoff. It includes SMU, Indiana, ASU and Boise. It does not include Alabama, Michigan, USC or any team in the state of Florida.
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I don't think the portal got them there as much as the guaranteed spot (ASU, Boise State). Portal definitely helped Indiana though, but so did a cakewalk schedule.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
If the final 4 is tOSU/Oregon, PSU, Texas, and Georgia and they aren't challenged in these games, not sure the gap is closing at all.
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this. the question is if those top 4-8 or so that cycle through these spots change at all. to me it doesn't seem like it will. you will get upshots who make the playoff because the field is larger, but the teams that would've been under discussion for the past playoff are all in the blue blood/helmet category as they always are and the buffer/borderline schools are the same shufflers (like 2019 where we would've been in the discussion) that have a great season and fade off. the top portal kids are still going to the same places and the helmets are losing depth pieces coming down to the middlers. You'll still have 4-8 of the helmets/blue bloods being in the playoff every year at least. Representation will just make us all feel better but doesn't mean the gap has closed at all. Joy of football/sport is that anyone can win in a 1 game playoff though, so there's always the chance still if you get a seat at the table.
 

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