tOSU 4th String QB, Ewers, Siged $1.4M NIL Deal!

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I still think it is bad for college football. Minnesota will be disadvantaged unless some row boat company ponies up some money. 5 Buckeyes have an NIL car deal including Stroud
Well then you disagree with Fleck. He thinks it will be a huge opportunity based on the businesses and industries here.
 

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The NiIL stuff will keep OSU on top. That’s the problem. I can hear the pitch now. Hey kid, bring your 5 star talents to OSU and get a 1million$ NIL deal or go to Iowa City and be the spokesman for Teddy’s Big Burgers for 10k/yr.
Your concerns about NIL are totally justified and it will be interesting to see what if anything the NCAA is able to do in order to regulate it somewhat.

But your Ohio State angle doesn't really add up. Ohio State doesn't need to sell NIL money in order to beat out Iowa for a recruit, they were already doing that just fine prior to NIL even being a thing.
 

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So this is a change from the days when OSU was landing top recruits without NIL?
Yes, because now the Rashad Bateman's of the world who used to come here and be the top dog right away will go to tOSU first, compete with 3 or 4 others, and pull a Dylan Wright and only come here after it's clear they have been passed up.
 


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5 stars that are afraid to compete aren’t going to OSU, Bama, Clemson etc. Those programs thrive on competition within their own teams. I agree that teams like OSU already get top talent. Part of their appeal is that will have national exposure and a reputation for coaching up talent that will be going to the next level. You will start to see the re emergence of teams like USC, UCLA, Florida which have big national exposure. Local endorsement deals will be hard pressed to compete with national deals.
 


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5 stars that are afraid to compete aren’t going to OSU, Bama, Clemson etc. Those programs thrive on competition within their own teams. I agree that teams like OSU already get top talent. Part of their appeal is that will have national exposure and a reputation for coaching up talent that will be going to the next level. You will start to see the re emergence of teams like USC, UCLA, Florida which have big national exposure. Local endorsement deals will be hard pressed to compete with national deals.
Isn't the worst case scenario that it will stay exactly the same way it is right now? We had zero chance of competing against them prior to NIL.
 

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Who cares! It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Of course the NIL money will create dissension, that's EXACTLY why it benefits us. The tad bit of chaos infused by people angling for more NIL money within the QB room does nothing but help our chances of getting a recruit/player choose the path of lesser resistance.
 

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No chance this is for real.

The contract he signed is with a company that would apparently them sell his autographs...and / or other NIL stuff and dude maybe got a couple bucks up front...and may see 0 after that.

These are just speculative numbers to grab headlines.

All the stories like this seem to play this game where they speculate a big number that nobody will ever pay out ...and they don't ever say if / how much anyone has been paid.

These are deals and contracts where way less...or no money will ever change hands...
Definitely real and has been out there for awhile, unless this his second million dollar NIL deal?
 

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My big question is how long this will be sustained.

Like, the flood gates were just opened with NIL, so things are a bit hog-wild, but will it stay like this? How many 5 stars will need to flop before they stop getting these huge deals before playing a single college game? Will we burn through all the companies and businesses willing to spend top dollar on a NIL deal in a year? 2? Never? It's hard to say with any confidence IMO.
 



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Isn't the worst case scenario that it will stay exactly the same way it is right now? We had zero chance of competing against them prior to NIL.
You don't think they would have tried to plug our top recruits like Bateman away with talk of significant endorsement money? You guys seem so naive just focusing on the 5*s that we don't get.
 

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Of course the NIL money will create dissension, that's EXACTLY why it benefits us. The tad bit of chaos infused by people angling for more NIL money within the QB room does nothing but help our chances of getting a recruit/player choose the path of lesser resistance.
Channeling my inner "Bob_Loblaw" here..."isn't that happening already???? Aren't guys like Joe Burrow, etc, who don't get the starting job at tOSU already transferring to other schools. How does this change anything?"
 

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My big question is how long this will be sustained.

Like, the flood gates were just opened with NIL, so things are a bit hog-wild, but will it stay like this? How many 5 stars will need to flop before they stop getting these huge deals before playing a single college game? Will we burn through all the companies and businesses willing to spend top dollar on a NIL deal in a year? 2? Never? It's hard to say with any confidence IMO.
Good post. It would be interesting if this was a flash in the pan, and no one comes close to 7 figures once companies realize they didn't get a good return on investment. But I have a feeling it'll continue for the deep south schools because the boosters don't care about the ROI on this one, just get the recruit to said school is good enough.
 

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You don't think they would have tried to plug our top recruits like Bateman away with talk of significant endorsement money? You guys seem so naive just focusing on the 5*s that we don't get.
What would have the recruiting situation look like if they had been able to throw money at recruits? That is to say why would Bateman, someone who was only on the radar in the last month, be in line for a check when other better players before him would have probably taken the money and Georgia would have been without spots in their class.
 



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My big question is how long this will be sustained.

Like, the flood gates were just opened with NIL, so things are a bit hog-wild, but will it stay like this? How many 5 stars will need to flop before they stop getting these huge deals before playing a single college game? Will we burn through all the companies and businesses willing to spend top dollar on a NIL deal in a year? 2? Never? It's hard to say with any confidence IMO.
I think it will be constant.... as far as announcing deals where the numbers make no sense.

It's entirely possible that Ewers signed a deal and got a couple bucks up front and never gets a dime again.

With those kinds of deals you can just keep claming all sorts of numbers.
 

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What would have the recruiting situation look like if they had been able to throw money at recruits? That is to say why would Bateman, someone who was only on the radar in the last month, be in line for a check when other better players before him would have probably taken the money and Georgia would have been without spots in their class.
I don't think the recruits get NIL before signing - isn't that why Ewers went to college early? And Georgia still had a spot in their class for him, right? Weren't they recruiting him up to the end? So it would be something like this:

Georgia recruiter: "How much do the skill position players get in NIL at Minnesota?"

Bateman: "A few grand a year, give or take."

Georgia recruiter: "Ok, our guys on the bench are routinely taking in tens of thousands, and players approach six figures when they start. Do you want to nickel and dime this, or do you want to make some serious money at age 18?"

Bateman: "Good point, just like MplsGopher_fan was saying. Go dawgs! I'm in."
 

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I don't think the recruits get NIL before signing - isn't that why Ewers went to college early? And Georgia still had a spot in their class for him, right? Weren't they recruiting him up to the end? So it would be something like this:

Georgia recruiter: "How much do the skill position players get in NIL at Minnesota?"

Bateman: "A few grand a year, give or take."

Georgia recruiter: "Ok, our guys on the bench are routinely taking in tens of thousands, and players approach six figures when they start. Do you want to nickel and dime this, or do you want to make some serious money at age 18?"

Bateman: "Good point, just like MplsGopher_fan was saying. Go dawgs! I'm in."
I think someone could get NIL money as a recruit -- it couldn't be quid pro quo -- but someone could probably figure out how to grease the wheels.

Regardless lets go with the scenario you are describing. I think you missed the point I tried to (poorly) make. Its not whether or not a Georgia recruiter could present that information to Bateman, its the fact that if they are able to show recruits early in the process the money they can make, they will have their classes wrapped up and then they won't have space for a late bloomer like Bateman.
 

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Regardless lets go with the scenario you are describing. I think you missed the point I tried to (poorly) make. Its not whether or not a Georgia recruiter could present that information to Bateman, its the fact that if they are able to show recruits early in the process the money they can make, they will have their classes wrapped up and then they won't have space for a late bloomer like Bateman.
I'm almost positive there was a thread on here about schools that pull scholarships late in the game because they get a better recruit. Does that ring a bell with anyone, preferably someone who would know how to search and find it? But basically, my rebuttal would be that if an SEC school wants you, they'll make room, even if it's the day before signing day and they already have a full class. Most likely this means that some other recruit is screwed with less than 24 hours to go.

Now your rebuttal to that would be that now a former recruit for a powerhouse is available to a team like MN. And my rebuttal to that would be "yeah, but he's seen as not being as good as that Bateman guy we are losing out on".
 

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I think the NIL stuff sucks. The top teams will get more of the top players which hurts competition. Competition is what makes college football great. OSU will continue to separate from the rest of the big10. OSU’s primary market is Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland which is huge in total.
I actually think this is going to cause the opposite to happen. The haves and have nots have already long been established. When you start throwing money deals around like this, there may be a quite the discrepancy of haves and have nots on the very same team. At least the NFL has a league minimum.
 

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I'm almost positive there was a thread on here about schools that pull scholarships late in the game because they get a better recruit. Does that ring a bell with anyone, preferably someone who would know how to search and find it? But basically, my rebuttal would be that if an SEC school wants you, they'll make room, even if it's the day before signing day and they already have a full class. Most likely this means that some other recruit is screwed with less than 24 hours to go.

Now your rebuttal to that would be that now a former recruit for a powerhouse is available to a team like MN. And my rebuttal to that would be "yeah, but he's seen as not being as good as that Bateman guy we are losing out on".
Other than the kid from Tennessee this year I do not recall examples of players having been hosed within a day of signing day. I think many players are given contingent offers based on grades etc and many coaches use this to the pull scholarships (but generally far away from signing day.) I see this in our program -- a case being the DT who decommitted and went to Kent State vs the kids who decommit to go to TAMU, USC, Oregon etc.

Regardless, let's again go with your scenario where SEC schools will be pulling scholarships extremely late in the game to land better players. If we assume that it is currently happening to the extent you describe then there are clearly no major negative ramifications. But if this is not happening and would be a novel concept sometime in the future, I think it would die quite quickly because schools would negatively recruit against each other saying that so and so's staff may get rid of you at any time.

Anyway, my point still stands that if recruits are incentivized by large sums of money to commit somewhere they will do so earlier in the recruiting process -- as other recruits will equally be incentivized to take the money/spot. This would lead to under the radar players, ala Bateman, to still come to the Gophers.
 

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The college athletes have agents now. The biggest difference is what you pointed out (IMO), the college athletes also have the spotlight more than some kid playing single A ball in Springfield, Missouri.

I think navigating NIL will be a difficult thing for college football coaches, no doubt. It'll be another layer to the onion that is recruiting and college sports. Obviously, I have no idea how this will all play out but my initial thought is that it will help a school like Minnesota. We play in the Big 10, if we're good, our games will be everywhere

The stars at Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. will make way more at those schools - no doubt. We were never getting those players regardless. Quinn Ewers was going to a blue blood. In fact, NIL probably puts MORE pressure on Ohio State. What do they do if Stroud is good? There is a really good chance they lose Ewers. There was probably less of a chance if Ewers didn't reclassify.

But what about the backup WRs? What about a rotational DT that could start at MN? The blue blood programs are landing 2/3 deep recruits every year better than our best (higher rated). I think with the help of an agent, a kid might examine those depth charts a bit and try to find a spot where there might be more immediate spotlight (more $). But I don't know.
That wound be the rational consequence …
 


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Does any player at the U have an NIL?

Faalele with Big Boy restaurants or something?
 


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So? How does that refute the post you were responding to?

Here, I highlighted the sentence for you.
I think the NIL stuff sucks. The top teams will get more of the top players which hurts competition. Competition is what makes college football great. OSU will continue to separate from the rest of the big10. OSU’s primary market is Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland which is huge in total.
I actually think this is going to cause the opposite to happen. The haves and have nots have already long been established. When you start throwing money deals around like this, there may be a quite the discrepancy of haves and have nots on the very same team. At least the NFL has a league minimum.
 




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