tomorrow we'll see 2 types of posts re: Jerry Kill

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1. MN will lose Jerry Kill to another school or the pros.
2. Fire Jerry Kill cause he cannot win the big games.

there is a 3rd which discusses building a statue of Jerry or renaming Oak St. Kill Avenue but let's forget i mentioned those.
 

I'd be surprised if there's anybody calling for Kill to be fired if we lose tomorrow. Maybe if we lose by 50, but that's about it.
 

I don't think we will see either of those posts no matter what happens tomorrow. Unless you are talking about the 1% in here that post stupid stuff like that to try and get a rise out of people.

1. Until Kill's health issues are 100% behind him no helmet school or NFL team will touch him. Not to mention that he will need to show sustained success and health here to become a hot commodity for other teams.

2. I suppose someone might be dumb enough to post this but anyone that does is an idiot with no context on what is going on. Rational fans know that this has been a nice season and a big step in the right direction but even if this team gets beat the next two weeks (very real possibility given the opposition) there would be zero reason to call for the coaches head.

The only reason Jerry Kill would not be the head coach at the U of M next year would be if his health problems rear their ugly head again and push him to the point of deciding to step down.
 

MNVCGUY said:
I don't think we will see either of those posts no matter what happens tomorrow. Unless you are talking about the 1% in here that post stupid stuff like that to try and get a rise out of people.

1. Until Kill's health issues are 100% behind him no helmet school or NFL team will touch him. Not to mention that he will need to show sustained success and health here to become a hot commodity for other teams.

2. I suppose someone might be dumb enough to post this but anyone that does is an idiot with no context on what is going on. Rational fans know that this has been a nice season and a big step in the right direction but even if this team gets beat the next two weeks (very real possibility given the opposition) there would be zero reason to call for the coaches head.

The only reason Jerry Kill would not be the head coach at the U of M next year would be if his health problems rear their ugly head again and push him to the point of deciding to step down.
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Precisely on everything. The only way Kill does not coach here will be by his own doing. Regardless what happens the next two weeks he's the man for the job until he decides he's not. I would not be shocked at all if this was his final job too (not this year).
 

maroonedinCA said:
Precisely on everything. The only way Kill does not coach here will be by his own doing. Regardless what happens the next two weeks he's the man for the job until he decides he's not. I would not be shocked at all if this was his final job too (not this year).
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He's said early on when he got hired this may be his last stop. I truly believe he wants to finish his career here at MN.
 


hungan1 said:
He's said early on when he got hired this may be his last stop. I truly believe he wants to finish his career here at MN.
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Nothing personal but most coaches claim their current job is the last job they ever want to have. And most mean it until someone comes along and offers them even more money or perks at which point that becomes the last job they ever want to have.
 

wait!what?

we won't see either of those type of posts no matter what happens tomorrow.
 

Go4 said:
wait!what?

we won't see either of those type of posts no matter what happens tomorrow.
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He's not going anywhere.

He's going to get his full contract(another 4 years after this season), he's already earned that. No way any fan can argue he should be replaced, even if we lose tommorow.
 

Go4 said:
wait!what?

we won't see either of those type of posts no matter what happens tomorrow.
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Maybe wait!what? will post one of those two. foreshadowing?
 



Coach Kill exceeded this years quota of victories that I ever thought we would achieve (7 victories). He has met every statistical category I hoped would improve. I merely freaked out when we got crushed in the first two B!G games. So, I for one, will not be calling for his head unless we get blown out like we did at the Dome to Nebraska.

My hopes are simple. Every player stays off the sauce today. They all sleep well. They dress warmly for tomorrow. And, they play to their true potential.
 

MNVCGUY said:
1. Until Kill's health issues are 100% behind him no helmet school or NFL team will touch him. Not to mention that he will need to show sustained success and health here to become a hot commodity for other teams.

The only reason Jerry Kill would not be the head coach at the U of M next year would be if his health problems rear their ugly head again and push him to the point of deciding to step down.
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You're probably right. No chance the Gophers win tomorrow and a school like Texas or Nebraska would look at Kill's track record, what's happened this year, and decide they wanted a guy like him with "health issues." No way they would offer him double what he's making, plus healthy raises for his staff. That would be preposterous.
 

I have no doubt that, if we lose tomorrow, there will be people to point out that Jerry Kill is overmatched in the role/his condition hurts the team/he won't win the big one/progress isn't being made. It's the GopherHole way.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Nothing personal but most coaches claim their current job is the last job they ever want to have. And most mean it until someone comes along and offers them even more money or perks at which point that becomes the last job they ever want to have.
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With the struggles our football and basketball team have had recently, I've always wondered to what extent we would be a stepping stone if a coach really took us to the promised land. As exciting as this season has been so far, and as thrilled as I am with the progress, we aren't there yet. I think right now, our jobs aren't considered that highly coveted in the grand scheme of things. However, if we got to an elite level, then we would be a good job. We would be at a point where a coach would have a dominant team in a major conference, and have the street cred and fan adoration of being the guy who took us there. If we got to a point where we were successful enough that the blue blood programs would want to hire our coach away, I feel like our program would have gotten to a level where only the truly elite programs (think Alabama football, Duke basketball) would be viewed as an updgrade.

Of course, Big Dufus leaving back-to-back-to-back conference champ Wisconsin to go coach an Arkansas team coming off a horrendous season shows that, at least on the football side of things, the SEC allure might be enough.
 



killme said:
You're probably right. No chance the Gophers win tomorrow and a school like Texas or Nebraska would look at Kill's track record, what's happened this year, and decide they wanted a guy like him with "health issues." No way they would offer him double what he's making, plus healthy raises for his staff. That would be preposterous.
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Regardless of happens the rest of this year the Texas and Nebraska types aren't coming to offer Jerry Kill a job.
 

killme said:
You're probably right. No chance the Gophers win tomorrow and a school like Texas or Nebraska would look at Kill's track record, what's happened this year, and decide they wanted a guy like him with "health issues." No way they would offer him double what he's making, plus healthy raises for his staff. That would be preposterous.
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Psst: He's likely correct.

Those types of programs make sexy hire picks. What Coach Kill has done is tremendous at Minnesota. But couple his age, his offensive/defensive philosophy and unfortunately his health issues he would not be deemed to be a sexy enough pick at either of those programs. Hell, people at Texas still don't think Art Briles would be sexy enough because he's too old (only 5 years older than Kill) despite his ridiculous offense and suffocating defense he's built at Baylor of all places.

They want young, bragadocious (spelling?) types of hires that get fan bases really excited. Kevin Sumlin, Scott Frost, Kirby Smart, etc. Not that I agree with that philosophy. Look at Kill himself, wasn't a sexy hire, people weren't falling over themselves when we selected him but it's definitely worked out. Same goes for UW. Fans were pissed at Coach Andersen's hiring but looks like that's worked out so far. And these two programs aren't nearly as glamorous/prestigous as Texas/Nebraska.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
With the struggles our football and basketball team have had recently, I've always wondered to what extent we would be a stepping stone if a coach really took us to the promised land. As exciting as this season has been so far, and as thrilled as I am with the progress, we aren't there yet. I think right now, our jobs aren't considered that highly coveted in the grand scheme of things. However, if we got to an elite level, then we would be a good job. We would be at a point where a coach would have a dominant team in a major conference, and have the street cred and fan adoration of being the guy who took us there. If we got to a point where we were successful enough that the blue blood programs would want to hire our coach away, I feel like our program would have gotten to a level where only the truly elite programs (think Alabama football, Duke basketball) would be viewed as an updgrade.

Of course, Big Dufus leaving back-to-back-to-back conference champ Wisconsin to go coach an Arkansas team coming off a horrendous season shows that, at least on the football side of things, the SEC allure might be enough.
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Scale of 1 to 10, how much does BB regret his decision right now?
 

killme said:
You're probably right. No chance the Gophers win tomorrow and a school like Texas or Nebraska would look at Kill's track record, what's happened this year, and decide they wanted a guy like him with "health issues." No way they would offer him double what he's making, plus healthy raises for his staff. That would be preposterous.
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It would be preposterous. Texas and Nebraska will be targeting big names. You may love Kill but he is not the kind of name at this point that would fly with those fan bases and yes his "health issues" would factor into it whether you want to believe it or not.

A year from now if we are still in the Big Ten title hunt and the seizures are behind him then yeah you can start speculating on a helmet school trying to steal him away but right now those kind of jobs are not going to come calling for a coach with one winning season in a BCS conference.
 

MNVCGUY said:
It would be preposterous. Texas and Nebraska will be targeting big names. You may love Kill but he is not the kind of name at this point that would fly with those fan bases and yes his "health issues" would factor into it whether you want to believe it or not.

A year from now if we are still in the Big Ten title hunt and the seizures are behind him then yeah you can start speculating on a helmet school trying to steal him away but right now those kind of jobs are not going to come calling for a coach with one winning season in a BCS conference.
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OK. You follow college football much?
 

killme said:
OK. You follow college football much?
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Funny because I could ask you the same thing. Look at the other replies, you seem to be the only person who thinks he might be a candidate for those jobs.
 


maroonedinCA said:
Scale of 1 to 10, how much does BB regret his decision right now?
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I don't think he regrets it all. He can't be expected to turn Arkansas into a team that can challenge in the SEC his first year. And he will recruit better players than he got at Sconnie over time. Whether that's enough to win in the SEC is to be seen. I have a hard time seeing Arkansas becoming Alabama/LSU good, but they could compete every third year or something...
 

Sparlimb said:
I don't think he regrets it all. He can't be expected to turn Arkansas into a team that can challenge in the SEC his first year. And he will recruit better players than he got at Sconnie over time. Whether that's enough to win in the SEC is to be seen. I have a hard time seeing Arkansas becoming Alabama/LSU good, but they could compete every third year or something...
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But he had it so cushy at Wisconsin. Now this is a giant gamble. Say he doesn't recruit as well (or even if it's on the same level it's not nearly good enough for the SEC) or isn't as good of a coach as he thinks he is. He's fired in year 3 and now coaching at Akron. At UW he had a decade at least ahead of him.
 

MNVCGUY said:
It would be preposterous. Texas and Nebraska will be targeting big names. You may love Kill but he is not the kind of name at this point that would fly with those fan bases and yes his "health issues" would factor into it whether you want to believe it or not.

A year from now if we are still in the Big Ten title hunt and the seizures are behind him then yeah you can start speculating on a helmet school trying to steal him away but right now those kind of jobs are not going to come calling for a coach with one winning season in a BCS conference.
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See, the trouble, as usual here, is that this is your logic and unless you've disguised yourself very well you aren't one of the people in a position to decide. And why a year from now? Why not two or even three? What aside from your own assumptions requires more than one winning season? My god, history shows that ADs do all sorts of inexplicable things. In fact, the only thing I expect in personnel searches these days is the unexpected.
 


maroonedinCA said:
But he had it so cushy at Wisconsin. Now this is a giant gamble. Say he doesn't recruit as well (or even if it's on the same level it's not nearly good enough for the SEC) or isn't as good of a coach as he thinks he is. He's fired in year 3 and now coaching at Akron. At UW he had a decade at least ahead of him.
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Maybe it's the challenge, or the money, or the weather...or a combination of those. His assistant coaches salary pool doubled with the move. If a guy doesn't want to have to replace coaches every year, or has a lot of loyalty to them, that can make a big difference.
 

killme said:
Maybe it's the challenge, or the money, or the weather...or a combination of those. His assistant coaches salary pool doubled with the move. If a guy doesn't want to have to replace coaches every year, or has a lot of loyalty to them, that can make a big difference.
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That's true. To me it doesn't seem worth it. Especially because little mistteps lead to coaching in the MAC.
 

maxwellsmart said:
See, the trouble, as usual here, is that this is your logic and unless you've disguised yourself very well you aren't one of the people in a position to decide. And why a year from now? Why not two or even three? What aside from your own assumptions requires more than one winning season? My god, history shows that ADs do all sorts of inexplicable things. In fact, the only thing I expect in personnel searches these days is the unexpected.
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Are we really going to go down this road? A little over a month ago Kill's entire coaching future was in doubt and now I have to defend my opinion that he will not be a candidate for two of the most desirable jobs in college football?

Believe what you want, I don't claim to know any more than anyone else in here as to what will happen in the future (even if dpodoll68 will go out of his way to try and claim that I say that I do).

This is all pointless speculation right now anyway because the team has to win multiple games still against very stiff competition before his name would even start to be mentioned. But hey that is just my opinion so feel free to discount it.
 


MNVCGUY said:
Nothing personal but most coaches claim their current job is the last job they ever want to have. And most mean it until someone comes along and offers them even more money or perks at which point that becomes the last job they ever want to have.
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Coach Kill will never be hired away from MN by a bigger school/helmet school. Not gonna happen. He will never be a "sexy" enough hire for a school that would be a significant upgrade from MN. Schools that would be a big enough step up will ALWAYS be looking for a big name splash hire. As much as I firmly believe Kill is going to do very VERY good things at MN, he'll never be that splashy, sexy hire that would be required at a school that would be big enough to hire him.

Let's be honest, as much as the Gophers have labored in mediocrity (or worse) in recent times, there really aren't very many programs that would be a significant step up from MN. A step up? Of course. But a major step up that would come in and sweep Kill and his staff off their feet? There just aren't as many as people might think.
 

killme said:
You're probably right. No chance the Gophers win tomorrow and a school like Texas or Nebraska would look at Kill's track record, what's happened this year, and decide they wanted a guy like him with "health issues." No way they would offer him double what he's making, plus healthy raises for his staff. That would be preposterous.
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Good, so we all agree. there is no chance.
 

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