TOMMY OLSON - 3 STAR?

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GI has Tommy Olson rated now; as a 3-star prospect (5.7). Seems low to me; did the early commit hurt his rating? I would have expected that rating from Scout, but I was sure he would have been rated a 4-star by GI.:confused:
 

Hard for me to believe that Tommy is a 3 star. I've seen him play a couple of times and thats low. Also, hard to believe that the #1 recruit in the state by a wide margin is only a 3 star. Both the states of Wisconsin and Iowa have two 4 stars and Minnesota has zero? Regardless, I think its likely he is upgraded if he goes to some of these all star games and destroys the competition like I expect he will.
 

GI has Tommy Olson rated now; as a 3-star prospect (5.7). Seems low to me; did the early commit hurt his rating? I would have expected that rating from Scout, but I was sure he would have been rated a 4-star by GI.:confused:

Who the hell cares how many arbitrary stars a prospect is given...will he develop, improve and contribute on the field - end of story

2 stars are all of a sudden turn in to 3 and 4 when a Florida or Penn State offers them - recruiting rankings are overrated and player development by skilled coaching staffs is underappreciated
 

Who the hell cares how many arbitrary stars a prospect is given.

Obviously, a lot of people do, or the recruiting website/magazine industry would cease to exist.

2 stars are all of a sudden turn in to 3 and 4 when a Florida or Penn State offers them - recruiting rankings are overrated and player development by skilled coaching staffs is underappreciated

You are right. However, recruitment and development are not mutually exclusive. Don't try to pretend like star rankings are meaningless. As I've said here before, if given the option of 22 5-stars and Tim Brewster, or 22 walk-ons and Vince Lombardi, I'll take the former every single time.
 

His stock will rise as the year moves on. Wait til the all star games.

As I've said here before, if given the option of 22 5-stars and Tim Brewster, or 22 walk-ons and Vince Lombardi, I'll take the former every single time.

Wow, what a gamble! I too would choose Tim Brewster over a corpse. Now, a zombie Vince Lombardi and zombie walk-ons? That's just epic football. Pay per view that s*it.
 


A high 3* star is still a pretty good rating. If he dominates like he should this year we could see it bumped up to 4*. MV mentioned something about Rivals not thinking he was tall enough being part of it. Rivals also acknowledged a certain level of star inflation of the past few years.

Coaching guys up is underrated(see IA and Boise), but there's a reason teams like tOSU and Florida win their conference and contend for titles practically every year. It's not necessarily becuase they have the best coaches. Coaching gets you so far, but coaching superior athletes will take you further.
 

Wow, what a gamble! I too would choose Tim Brewster over a corpse. Now, a zombie Vince Lombardi and zombie walk-ons? That's just epic football. Pay per view that s*it.

Ugh. How about Don Shula? Does that work better for you?
 

This news is so disturbing, I may just get drunk and drive around on my moped.
 

Wow, what a gamble! I too would choose Tim Brewster over a corpse. Now, a zombie Vince Lombardi and zombie walk-ons? That's just epic football. Pay per view that s*it.

That's some funny sh*t right there.
 



GI has Tommy Olson rated now; as a 3-star prospect (5.7). Seems low to me; did the early commit hurt his rating? I would have expected that rating from Scout, but I was sure he would have been rated a 4-star by GI.:confused:

GI does not rank recruits (if they did olson would be a four star, if not a five star;)), rival ranks recruits. i think the recruiting sites might be a little gunshy giving offensive linemen from minnesota too much love.
 

Obviously, a lot of people do, or the recruiting website/magazine industry would cease to exist.



You are right. However, recruitment and development are not mutually exclusive. Don't try to pretend like star rankings are meaningless. As I've said here before, if given the option of 22 5-stars and Tim Brewster, or 22 walk-ons and Vince Lombardi, I'll take the former every single time.

There are a lot of stupid people, that's all that the recruiting industry proves.

Star rankings are meaningless. A player is NOT better because of his star rating. Tommy Olson is NOT a better or worse player because of this arbitrary ranking, he is the EXACT same player regardless of three or four stars.

Star rankings are almost exclusively based off of who is on the offer sheet. If these recruiting gurus were so smart, they'd be coaches. Ever see how much money coaches make vs. journalists?
 

GI does not rank recruits (if they did olson would be a four star, if not a five star;)), rival ranks recruits. i think the recruiting sites might be a little gunshy giving offensive linemen from minnesota too much love.

Didn't all the recruiting sites just give a lineman from St. Paul a rediculous high rating?

Speaking of Zombie football - Bones Jackson was unstoppable in Mutant League Football. Thanks for bringing me back...

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There are a lot of stupid people, that's all that the recruiting industry proves.

So, someone is "stupid" if they have different interests than you? Gotcha. Assuming you're neither a physician, a barrister, or a nuclear physicist, I guess doctors, lawyers, and scientists are "stupid".

Star rankings are meaningless.

Incorrect.

A player is NOT better because of his star rating. Tommy Olson is NOT a better or worse player because of this arbitrary ranking, he is the EXACT same player regardless of three or four stars.

I agree. But I also realize there are also tangible benefits to the star ranking, aside from merely evaluating the player himself. Aside from the predictive value of the rankings, you don't think that players are more likely to go to a school that has a lot of four- and five-star players? Ergo, by definition, star rankings are NOT meaningless.

Star rankings are almost exclusively based off of who is on the offer sheet.

Even though this is not entirely correct, why does everyone paint this to be a bad thing? You're telling me that someone who has offers from Florida, USC, Texas, etc. is not likely to be a good player? You don't want that player? You don't think he's worthy of a four- or five-star ranking?

In 2010 alone:

Florida had five 3-stars and one 2-star.
Alabama had nine 3-stars and one 2-star.
Texas had four 3-stars.
Ohio St. had nine 3-stars and two 2-stars.
Notre Dame had twelve 3-stars and one 2-star.
Penn St. had six 3-stars and one 2-star.

I could go on for quite some time, but my point has been made. I guess Rivals didn't get the memo that every kid who signs with a helmet school has to be a minimum 4-star.

P.S. Everybody is well aware that you hate recruiting. You don't need to post on recruiting threads. We all get it.
 



He committed early, hasn´t camped anywhere and his team doesn´t pass the ball so no one´s seen him in pass protection.

- MV wrote basically this same thing on FBT, so credit to him should anyone think I´m plagerizing.
 

So, someone is "stupid" if they have different interests than you? Gotcha. Assuming you're neither a physician, a barrister, or a nuclear physicist, I guess doctors, lawyers, and scientists are "stupid".

If any of them were obsessed with chasing around 17 year old boys I would consider them stupid.

Not sure where you're trying to go with any of this. My point remains the same, Tommy Olson is the exact same person regardless of how many little gold stars some "super duper recruiting expert genius" puts next to his name.
 

If any of them were obsessed with chasing around 17 year old boys I would consider them stupid.

Liking recruiting = pedophilia. Your logic is astounding and above reproach.

Not sure where you're trying to go with any of this. My point remains the same, Tommy Olson is the exact same person regardless of how many little gold stars some "super duper recruiting expert genius" puts next to his name.

Point out where I've said anything to the contrary. You're arguing a point for which no one has proposed the counter. So I guess "you win", in the sense that no one is holding a viewpoint contradictory to yours.
 


It'd be interesting to know how many Army All-Americans are 3* ?
 


If any of them were obsessed with chasing around 17 year old boys I would consider them stupid.

I'm always amazed when facebook creepers try to take a moral stand on stalking.
 

Coach Davis Says He's Very Good...

As long as he can block I'm not too upset about his stars.

So I agree with you. While I do respect all of the time and effort put in evaluating these preps and their relevant skills. It is not Rival's fault that Tommy has his dream offer and could care less about his star rating. The fact of the matter is, preps accross this country participate in numerous camps and combines to get their names and knowledge of their talent out there to push up their ratings with the big talent evaluators to give themselves more opportunities. Tommy chooses not to engage. I am certain that if and when he attends an all star camp or just works to circulate his film to the key sources, we would see a corresponding surge in his star rating with rivals and Scout.

Bottom line, if he wants to be a four star, he certainly could; but they are not going to just give it to him without him putting forth some effort to earn the forth star. Frankly, I think it is an honor the young man deserves and I hope he attends a camp or two, whoop some asses and confirm what we all know; Coach Davis knows what he is talking about.
 

There are a lot of stupid people, that's all that the recruiting industry proves.

Star rankings are meaningless. A player is NOT better because of his star rating. Tommy Olson is NOT a better or worse player because of this arbitrary ranking, he is the EXACT same player regardless of three or four stars.

Star rankings are almost exclusively based off of who is on the offer sheet. If these recruiting gurus were so smart, they'd be coaches. Ever see how much money coaches make vs. journalists?

Honestly, you need to pause and ask yourself this question: Would I take this stand on the star-rating system if the Gophers inked a dozen 4/5 star guys every season? Don't answer, just think about it...
IMO, you are buying into a convenient philosophy based on the caliber of players Minnesota is able to bring in, which we all know is never sparkling with stars. It's easy to dismiss this system of rating players, but in reality, it's usually the quickest and most accurate barometer of an athlete's ability. It's not perfect, and it doesn't measure everything — such as heart, desire, academics, etc — but it's the best we have and it's not going anywhere.
You say players are given a certain amount of stars only based on which schools are on their offer sheet.
Well, that's not exactly true. Players aren't given stars because they have big-time offers, they have big-time offers because they are elite players, thus earning more stars.
Better programs are interested in the best players. Plain and simple. If you are elite, you will have offers from elite schools. If you're decent, you'll have offers from decent schools. There is a reason not every Gophers player had offers from big-time programs. They just weren't talented enough. And when the Gophers lines up again Michigan and Ohio State and all the other teams that get the blue chip prospects, it's clear those teams have better players. Otherwise, Minnesota would be beating those teams.
 

There's a lot of questions you need to ask yourself first.
 

It is a screw up by Rivals. I have no idea what got in to Ladky. IMO Tommy should be in the Rivals 250 and will likely rise in the rankings after Rivals sees him in San Antonio at the Army AA practices. Lemming has him at #96 overall and Lemming has a hand in picking the rosters.
 




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