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Tim Tebow to unveil new throwing motion at his pro day...From Mike & Mike in the AM.

I wonder if consulted with Weber on this.
 


Can it be any worse then his old one?

I still think Receiver in the pros.
 

re3886 said:
I still think Receiver in the pros.
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If by "Receiver", you mean "Tight End", then you could be right. There's absolutely no chance on earth he will be a wide receiver.
 

Before You Count This Kid Out....

station19 said:
Tim Tebow to unveil new throwing motion at his pro day...From Mike & Mike in the AM.

I wonder if consulted with Weber on this.
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Ha! This guy is no Weber. Tebow is a leader. Tebow is a competitor who is willing to do what it takes to win. People are really down on Ol' Tim right now because of all the media attention he received in the past and his religious convictions, but I would not throw him under the bus over his QB aspirations quite yet.
 


Tebow is a leader

If your saying Adam Weber is not a leader, your ignorant.
 

gopherjay said:
If your saying Adam Weber is not a leader, your ignorant.
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Doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL

Honyocker said:
Ha! This guy is no Weber. Tebow is a leader. Tebow is a competitor who is willing to do what it takes to win. People are really down on Ol' Tim right now because of all the media attention he received in the past and his religious convictions, but I would not throw him under the bus over his QB aspirations quite yet.
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I'd disagree about Weber. He didn't perform the best, but he certainly appears to be a good ambassador and leader for the Gopher football team.
I haven't heard the same thing about Tebow and would disagree that people are "down" about him. In fact, his Super Bowl commercial was not very controversial at all. But, I've seen a lot of good leaders in college football that cannot translate that into an NFL career. Gino Toretta, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, David Carr, and the list could go on and on. Some question Tebow's skills as they translate to the NFL. Changing throwing motion before the NFL draft is not a good sign. Time will tell.
 

CWCWCW said:
I'd disagree about Weber. He didn't perform the best, but he certainly appears to be a good ambassador and leader for the Gopher football team.
I haven't heard the same thing about Tebow and would disagree that people are "down" about him. In fact, his Super Bowl commercial was not very controversial at all. But, I've seen a lot of good leaders in college football that cannot translate that into an NFL career. Gino Toretta, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, David Carr, and the list could go on and on. Some question Tebow's skills as they translate to the NFL. Changing throwing motion before the NFL draft is not a good sign. Time will tell.
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You haven't heard anything about Tebow being a good ambassador and leader for the Florida Gators?
 



My bad

Kuato Lives! said:
You haven't heard anything about Tebow being a good ambassador and leader for the Florida Gators?
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Sorry, should've edited. My "heard about" reference relates to his commercial and his religious beliefs.
In all seriousness, I cannot think of a better ambassador/leader than Tim Tebow. Gimme 3. Offense, Defense and Special Teams.
 

Honyocker said:
Ha! This guy is no Weber. Tebow is a leader. Tebow is a competitor who is willing to do what it takes to win. People are really down on Ol' Tim right now because of all the media attention he received in the past and his religious convictions, [/I]but I would not throw him under the bus over his QB aspirations quite yet.
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"Tim Tebow to unveil new throwing motion at his pro day...From Mike & Mike in the AM.

I wonder if he consulted with Weber on this.

You don't see the humor in that? Comparing Tebow trying to change his throwing motion to Jedd F. trying to change Weber's throwing motion is a shot at Tebow's religious convictions?

I assume that the snows in Dallas this year may have dulled your sense of humor. :eek:
 

re3886 said:
I still think Receiver in the pros.
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You must be smokin' some of that Canadian stuff. :cool02:

And does anyone else think Tebow becoming a fullback is a terrible idea? How many former college QBs with a concussion history become fullbacks? It's QB or bust for Timmy, and I think he'll bust. He is not an accurate enough passer for the NFL and will not be as big of a threat on the ground.

I for one, will be happy to not hear about Timmy Tebow in the future. I'm sick of hearing about this guy.
 




Jealousy? Wrong. I'm annoyed with the media's past worship of him. But nice try, Dr. Freud.
 

Yeah hopefully he will call Fisch to help him with his throwing motion. If there is one guy who really knows how to help a QB, it's Fisch. (LOTS OF SARCASM)

.....I have a funny feeling he is going to end up on the Vikings. If the Vikings draft him, you haven't even BEGUN to hear about him!!!
 

Honyocker said:
Ha! This guy is no Weber. Tebow is a leader. Tebow is a competitor who is willing to do what it takes to win. People are really down on Ol' Tim right now because of all the media attention he received in the past and his religious convictions, but I would not throw him under the bus over his QB aspirations quite yet.
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Really? Weber's not a leader? Weber's not a competitor? Take shots at his athletic ability, even his skill level but give me a break. People need to get over the scapegoating aspect of Gopher football.
Problems and losses are never on one person when it comes to football, especially 2009 Gopher football. Weber wasn't good this year, he stood up after games time and again and took the blame for things head on, even when it wasn't his to shoulder alone.

In contrast Tebow is a whiney crying baby, who just so happened to play on the most talented team maybe ever assembled in NCAA history. He had to shoulder 2 losses in his upperclassmen years, real test of character there. He has made himself a media lightning rod with his holier than thou statements and personality his entire college career, and low and behold when he got out of Gator country, the world didn't kiss his butt for it. He was exposed for what he is, a great college QB with a great college football skill set not suitable for the NFL.
 

For all the people who ripped on Fisch for changing Weber's throwing motion, there was a big debate on ESPN (their college show) talking about whether or not Florida owed it to Tebow to correct this problem a couple years ago. I am of the belief that Florida should have helped make this adjustment 2-3 years ago, and that Fisch did the right thing tweaking Weber's delivery.
 

Fullback?

[censored] said:
You must be smokin' some of that Canadian stuff. :cool02:

And does anyone else think Tebow becoming a fullback is a terrible idea? How many former college QBs with a concussion history become fullbacks? It's QB or bust for Timmy, and I think he'll bust. He is not an accurate enough passer for the NFL and will not be as big of a threat on the ground.

I for one, will be happy to not hear about Timmy Tebow in the future. I'm sick of hearing about this guy.
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who said anything about fullback? I've heard receiver because a lot of people think he can't put on the weight to make any impact as a "real" tight end. So, that leads a lot of people to some form of a slot type guy with no real speed. To be honest I think he really needs to show something with the new delivery, or his career may become very Andre Ware like. As for religion, what does that matter? People are thanking Jesus, or their personal God in after game interviews all the time. If he makes a team, and doesn't go around trying to convert his teammates unasked, nobody would care.
Hell, he could have a statue of Jobu in his locker and nobody would care.
 

re3886 said:
who said anything about fullback? I've heard receiver because a lot of people think he can't put on the weight to make any impact as a "real" tight end. So, that leads a lot of people to some form of a slot type guy with no real speed. To be honest I think he really needs to show something with the new delivery, or his career may become very Andre Ware like. As for religion, what does that matter? People are thanking Jesus, or their personal God in after game interviews all the time. If he makes a team, and doesn't go around trying to convert his teammates unasked, nobody would care.
Hell, he could have a statue of Jobu in his locker and nobody would care.
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A lot of people have talked about a position move to fullback because of his size and mobility, but I think those people are crazy. No one on this thread, but I've heard and read about it numerous places. Crazy talk.

I've never heard about him projecting to TE, or much less WR. People know he has running ability, but does anyone know if the guy can catch?

And as for religion, I didn't say a thing about it.

Just when I thought you posted the most nonsensical idea, you go and completely blow that post out of the water with the last. Impressive.
 

Weber a Leader?

gopherjay said:
If your saying Adam Weber is not a leader, your ignorant.
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You call Weber a leader? Nice guy, maybe, but he sure as H is no leader. Maybe by Minnesota standards he is a leader (oh, he's a good shlt), but not by any reasonable standard for college football. He is not a leader in the huddle, not a leader on the sidelines, not a vocal leader, and not warrior. OK, have at it boys, rip me for my opinion, but my opinion mirrors that of some pretty inside people. He looks confused and bewildered a good share of the time, and does not learn through his experiences. If you call that a leader, then you are completely ignorant.
 

Honyocker said:
You call Weber a leader? Nice guy, maybe, but he sure as H is no leader. Maybe by Minnesota standards he is a leader (oh, he's a good shlt), but not by any reasonable standard for college football. He is not a leader in the huddle, not a leader on the sidelines, not a vocal leader, and not warrior. OK, have at it boys, rip me for my opinion, but my opinion mirrors that of some pretty inside people. He looks confused and bewildered a good share of the time, and does not learn through his experiences. If you call that a leader, then you are completely ignorant.
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Dude, WHAT?
Any facts or specifics to back up any of this? Like I said, question Weber's skill level, his athletic ability, but seriously he's been nothing BUT a leader and a warrior, sometimes, maybe often, to a fault. All you have to do is watch the punishment he gets dealt every game, the drops and missed routes, the poor playcalling, and then have him come out and put it all on himself after the game rather than allow his teammates to take the heat.
For the record, I think he gets beat out this spring by Gray, but he'll take it like a man, like a leader, and the team and program will be better for his contributions when its all said and done, primarily BECAUSE of his leadership and attitude.
 

re3886 said:
who said anything about fullback? I've heard receiver because a lot of people think he can't put on the weight to make any impact as a "real" tight end. So, that leads a lot of people to some form of a slot type guy with no real speed. To be honest I think he really needs to show something with the new delivery, or his career may become very Andre Ware like.
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Huh? He's already plenty big enough, right now, to play fullback, H-back, TE, etc. in the NFL. Guy goes 250, easy. And that's, presumably, without the type of weight training conducive to adding bulk and strength. His frame could hold 270-280 without difficulty, and that's bigger than most TE in the league not named Kleinsasser.

Hell, he has been the best short-yardage runner (period, including running backs) in college football the last few years. He will be given every opportunity to fail as a QB, and assuming that he does, I would not doubt his ability to make it as a FB/TE. He's a tenacious player, especially for a QB.

[censored] said:
I've never heard about him projecting to TE
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Maybe your "Tebow media overload" isn't as bad as you thought. People have been talking about him needing to switch to TE to make it as a pro for years already. He actually started his high school career as a TE/LB, and they've been talking about him eventually playing TE in the league practically since he set foot on the Florida campus.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Huh? He's already plenty big enough, right now, to play fullback, H-back, TE, etc. in the NFL. Guy goes 250, easy. And that's, presumably, without the type of weight training conducive to adding bulk and strength. His frame could hold 270-280 without difficulty, and that's bigger than most TE in the league not named Kleinsasser.

Hell, he has been the best short-yardage runner (period, including running backs) in college football the last few years. He will be given every opportunity to fail as a QB, and assuming that he does, I would not doubt his ability to make it as a FB/TE. He's a tenacious player, especially for a QB.



Maybe your "Tebow media overload" isn't as bad as you thought. People have been talking about him needing to switch to TE to make it as a pro for years already. He actually started his high school career as a TE/LB, and they've been talking about him eventually playing TE in the league practically since he set foot on the Florida campus.
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Your right on here, Tebow's role in the NFL will be a bit player, alot of wildcat/quickscreen/option type stuff. He'll be a percy harvin(-speed) in a fullback's body. Hback with the ability to throw the ball, actually Frank Wychek the old Titan Hback did a little of this, he was a good player, Tebow will be too, but not as a QB
 

I've heard that 245 is a gross overestimation...

dpodoll68 said:
Huh? He's already plenty big enough, right now, to play fullback, H-back, TE, etc. in the NFL. Guy goes 250, easy. And that's, presumably, without the type of weight training conducive to adding bulk and strength. His frame could hold 270-280 without difficulty, and that's bigger than most TE in the league not named Kleinsasser.

Hell, he has been the best short-yardage runner (period, including running backs) in college football the last few years. He will be given every opportunity to fail as a QB, and assuming that he does, I would not doubt his ability to make it as a FB/TE. He's a tenacious player, especially for a QB.



Maybe your "Tebow media overload" isn't as bad as you thought. People have been talking about him needing to switch to TE to make it as a pro for years already. He actually started his high school career as a TE/LB, and they've been talking about him eventually playing TE in the league practically since he set foot on the Florida campus.
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From a, mediocre I admit, source. 250 made my friend (a UF athletic dept. Janitor) laugh, then say maybe, but he doubted it. 6-2 for height he thought and 225-230 for weight. The Combine should hopefully clear some of this stuff. As for a short yardage back...do you really think that lining up as a running back of some sort would equal the effect he had as a QB from the "shotgun" formation? I think he would find the going somewhat harder if it was straight up fullback dive plays versus the options built into the shotgun (run/pass) being easier to confuse with. So the next argument is as a "slash" type player. My question of that would be who could carry him on their roster, if he can't keep the weight on? I will be very interested to see who drafts him and where. Those GM's get paid a whole lot more, and know far more then I do. I just think that the change in arm motion is an indication that there are some real doubts on his and his handlers parts. I will be very curious to see what happens.
 

"my opinion mirrors that of some pretty inside people"

LOL, that's really funny! Give it up dude.
 

What about a team forming some of its offense to fit Tebow's skills? I believe you draft Talent and make your system fit it. Why is the NFL so boring that every team has to follow the same schemes?
 

Weber is not a leader.

Ole said:
Dude, WHAT?
Any facts or specifics to back up any of this? Like I said, question Weber's skill level, his athletic ability, but seriously he's been nothing BUT a leader and a warrior, sometimes, maybe often, to a fault. All you have to do is watch the punishment he gets dealt every game, the drops and missed routes, the poor playcalling, and then have him come out and put it all on himself after the game rather than allow his teammates to take the heat.
For the record, I think he gets beat out this spring by Gray, but he'll take it like a man, like a leader, and the team and program will be better for his contributions when its all said and done, primarily BECAUSE of his leadership and attitude.
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Facts? How about how poorly he threw the ball. Specifics? Have you watched the way Weber has commanded the huddle? Have you seen the way he fires up his teammates on the sidelines? Have you seen him jack up a player to get his head in the game so they can win? NO! Weber is no leader. Ask the same questions about Tebow and YES, he is a leader. You maybe like Wever and you feel sorry for him, but that does not make him a leader. The great Paul Giel was QB on a bad MN team and he WAS a leader. Watch some of his film.
 

BrewsterBooster said:
Facts? How about how poorly he threw the ball. Specifics? Have you watched the way Weber has commanded the huddle? Have you seen the way he fires up his teammates on the sidelines? Have you seen him jack up a player to get his head in the game so they can win? NO! Weber is no leader. Ask the same questions about Tebow and YES, he is a leader. You maybe like Wever and you feel sorry for him, but that does not make him a leader. The great Paul Giel was QB on a bad MN team and he WAS a leader. Watch some of his film.
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So being a "rah-rah" guy is the only way for someone to be a leader? I would consider Bill Russell to be one of the greatest leaders in the history of sports (and I suspect a few others would agree) yet he would never be seen using the tactics described above.
 

Are You Serious?

Ron Johnson Super Fan said:
So being a "rah-rah" guy is the only way for someone to be a leader? I would consider Bill Russell to be one of the greatest leaders in the history of sports (and I suspect a few others would agree) yet he would never be seen using the tactics described above.
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What tactics are you talking about? Have you read Russell's book on leadership? I have. Russ lead by example and by demanding perfection from everyone around him....he calls it craftmanship. If you think Weber and Russell have much in common, you are dreaming.

Here are Mr. Russell's 11 rules of leadership from his book:

(1) Commitment is essential to success, and commitment has to be based on insatiable curiosity that emotionally rewards the person. In other words, pursue an area of business that endlessly fascinates you.

(2) Apply your ego to the success of your team and your business, rather than to your individual success.

(3) Become the best and most active listener you can be. Act on what you learn.

(4) Be tough about demanding what needs to be done, but be considerate of people as you do this.

(5) Cast a long shadow with your ideas and standards, so that you influence the right result even when you cannot be present.

(6) Seek perfection and encourage it in others, bolstered by joy in what you are doing.

(7) Encourage trust, truthfulness, and mutual reliance.

(8) Immediately take control of the action to move forward constructively, regardless of what happens to your organization.

(9) Use your imagination to design new and better ways to enhance performance.

(10) Lead by establishing and reinforcing discipline, as much delegation as possible, and cooperative participation in decision-making. But don't forget to lead when it counts.

(11) Always be looking for the win, even when it seems impossible.

Russell was one tough dude who demanded perfection from his teammates. He learned as he played and got better and better and better. That is not a description of Adam Weber as he is described by people on the inside who know him very very well.
 

My point is that Bill Russell's leadership isn't something that you can see by simply sitting in the stands and watching from afar. Its ridiculous that some people with no other insight than sitting in section 223 and reading Weber's body language are experts on his leadership. Without being at practice, in the locker room, and in the huddle you cannot say that you know about Weber's leadership. Some people around here may have that kind of access and are able to accurately judge his leadership. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the people questioning it do not. They simply say that he struggled last year so he is a terrible leader.
 

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