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Bad loss but it won't define our season.

Think before you post, there's no reason to go into an epic meltdown.

And nobody wins the pick the f-ing score tonight!!! So forget it!!! Just forget it!!!

That is all.
 

Thank you - I love this board when we lose. It's almost as comical as CatsPause.

Rather lose in November then lose in March. They needed to be brought back down to earth - heck we all did.

I have no doubt Tubby will use this loss to his greatest advantage.
 

agreed. It's just one game. If anything, it will help this team get back to the fundamentals and play Gopher basketball. People are just in the heat of battle right now.
 

Holy crap. It's a meltdown on the board and conference play hasn't even started.

We were down our point guard and one of our best on the ball defenders when Rodney had to sit out the second half.

Plus, Sampson just had an awful game.

It sucks, but I'm just happy to see that Mbakwe and Hoff both had solid games. I'm sure we will rebound.
 

they shot 80% free throws and 70% from 3... a team was bound to get hot shooting and it happened.
 


97alumni said:
Thank you - I love this board when we lose. It's almost as comical as CatsPause.

Rather lose in November then lose in March. They needed to be brought back down to earth - heck we all did.

I have no doubt Tubby will use this loss to his greatest advantage.
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+1 (or 13 or whatever the ranking was).
 

I am sure tubby will make the best of this embarrasing situation... but we were so high on ourselves, we were going to lose one eventually, and this isnt the worst time it could have come
 

This wasn't a good effort. But UVa is not 'garbage' they are a young team with talent that will look great one game and horrible the next. We caught them on a good night when the ball was going in and we played a terrible half of basketball. The season did not end tonight.
 

With the B10 being as tough as it is this year, we needed to get as many wins as we could in the noncon schedule. This should have been a game we win, but again playing down to our competition gave our resume one big blemish. I hope we can overcome it but it will put more pressure on us in the B10 season.
 



It can define a season. Remember when Texas was ranked #1 last season? Or Alabama the a couple of years ago? The former was 8 seed and the latter didn't even make the tourney.

If you can't handle success, you're doomed. Just like in business, if you rest on your laurels, you'll get burned. The mentality absolutely needs to change. That effort tonight was disgusting. No fighting through screens. Lazy perimeter defense. Players not staying within the offense in the half court set.

We can go 2 different ways. Let that poison of a mentality infect our team after any bit of prosperity or teach the players a lesson that if they don't play smart or without effort, they're just another afterthought of a team. Believe it or not, this is actually a turning point. Let this slide and this effort and selfishness will become the norm, not the exception.

Make no mistake, som random D3 team could make those wide open shots we afforded UVa. We just got beat at home to a team that has little chance at making the NIT because we thought we could walk thru the motions and win. Time to see if Tubby can check their egos.
 

DiehardGopher said:
With the B10 being as tough as it is this year, we needed to get as many wins as we could in the noncon schedule. This should have been a game we win, but again playing down to our competition gave our resume one big blemish. I hope we can overcome it but it will put more pressure on us in the B10 season.
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Exactly, which is why a "bad loss" on your home court no less will be critical. Because of this loss, either the Gophers win 10-plus Big Ten games (and I'm curious how that will happen, being 8 of them are on the road), or we're a bubble team. AGAIN. That's a fact. This loss DOES define our season, assuming the Big Ten season plays out as-expected. Furthermore, we don't know when Nolen is coming back, and this loss forces us to have ZERO more OOC hiccups - you thought the Gophers were rattled here, just wait till the Farm City HS JV hits 4 uncontested 3's in a row and we go into another shell like we did tonight, waiting for someone to start doing something. The ONLY guy who played hard tonight the whole game was Mbakwe. And he fouled out. The rest of the team should be ashamed.

And that's why you play 40 minutes of every game, not just 10 minutes (first 6 and last 4) like we did tonight.
 

Did anyone else wish Hoff wasn't guarding Harris most of the game? This game from him tonight, though good offensively, affirmed my suspicions that he can't guard quicker more athletic guards/forwards and won't play in the Nba
 

dex8425 said:
Did anyone else wish Hoff wasn't guarding Harris most of the game? This game from him tonight, though good offensively, affirmed my suspicions that he can't guard quicker more athletic guards/forwards and won't play in the Nba
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You're seriously saying Harris was more athletic than Hoff?

If you think that was the reason why he had open shots, I can't help you.
 



dex8425 said:
Did anyone else wish Hoff wasn't guarding Harris most of the game? This game from him tonight, though good offensively, affirmed my suspicions that he can't guard quicker more athletic guards/forwards and won't play in the Nba
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At what point does Tubby consider switching Hoff off of the other team's hot outside shooter? The worst part of Hoff's game is, and always has been his 3-point line defense. How does Hoff not get taught to get up in a shooter's grill and stay in a shooter's face? If he's guarding someone who can create their own shot, then that's partly Tubby's fault for providing bad matchups (like the WVa game, where FINALLY Tubby switched and put Nolen on their scorer). If he's simply not getting up in the grill of a guy who can only shoot, then that's Hoff's fault. If he's being taught to double-down on interior passes, then that's all Tubby's fault. If he doubles down but is taught not to, then it's Hoff's fault. So who's fault is it, really? My guess, some of both. But good defense gameplans provide good matchups, right from the start of the game. So far this year, I have not seen that.

Finally, I have seen many times where Hoff actually has good defense but his opponent makes some crazy shot. It's happened an extra amount this season, and happened several times tonight. I'm not sure what the deal is there.
 

did Williams get hurt? The backward slam, and he came down with a half smile on his face, then when he landed, looked like he was in bad pain. Didn't see him the rest of the game, but I was in and out of the room so he may have played more.
 

cncmin said:
Exactly, which is why a "bad loss" on your home court no less will be critical. Because of this loss, either the Gophers win 10-plus Big Ten games (and I'm curious how that will happen, being 8 of them are on the road), or we're a bubble team. AGAIN. That's a fact. This loss DOES define our season, assuming the Big Ten season plays out as-expected. Furthermore, we don't know when Nolen is coming back, and this loss forces us to have ZERO more OOC hiccups - you thought the Gophers were rattled here, just wait till the Farm City HS JV hits 4 uncontested 3's in a row and we go into another shell like we did tonight, waiting for someone to start doing something. The ONLY guy who played hard tonight the whole game was Mbakwe. And he fouled out. The rest of the team should be ashamed.

And that's why you play 40 minutes of every game, not just 10 minutes (first 6 and last 4) like we did tonight.
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We will be fine. However, I agree a bad home loss is the worst. I'd much rather have had them throw up a stinky effort on the road against St Joes or something like that. You have to have an attitude that nobody beats us in the Barn. That's the next step for a Tubby squad - own the Barn. Again, we'll be fine especially with Nolen back. Our defensive effort was poor all night- Virginia was about as comfy as you can get in their offense. Nolen would have helped that situation quite a bit.
 

I will say it again on this thread:

Knock it off. Almost all commentors here on GopherHole bragged about how good we were, how we will be 12-0 going into the Big Ten Season, how tough we will be come that Big Ten Season and let the team's success go to our heads. It isn't the team that doesn't know how to handle success, it is the fans. The guys read our braggart comments and believe us, hence we failed them. Yes, maybe this loss will hurt our National Rankings for the time being, but in the long run this loss helps Tubby Smith get them back on track. Let's relax, have a beer, and let Tubby do his job. Smack talk and bragging hurts more than it helps.
 

Dr.Don said:
I will say it again on this thread:

Knock it off. Almost all commentors here on GopherHole bragged about how good we were, how we will be 12-0 going into the Big Ten Season, how tough we will be come that Big Ten Season and let the team's success go to our heads. It isn't the team that doesn't know how to handle success, it is the fans. The guys read our braggart comments and believe us, hence we failed them. Yes, maybe this loss will hurt our National Rankings for the time being, but in the long run this loss helps Tubby Smith get them back on track. Let's relax, have a beer, and let Tubby do his job. Smack talk and bragging hurts more than it helps.
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Dr Don that's a goofy post even by your standards. I didn't see any fans in uniform tonight. Who cares if the fans get a little too high on the team or get ahead of things a bit. That's what fans are supposed to do. Players are supposed to give it their all one game at a time and not underestimate their opponents or overestimate themselves. You may need to take a few days off from the beer.
 

bga1 said:
Dr Don that's a goofy post even by your standards. I didn't see any fans in uniform tonight. Who cares if the fans get a little too high on the team or get's ahead of things a bit. That's what fans are supposed to do. Players are supposed to give it their all one game at a time and not underestimate their opponents or overestimate themselves. You may need to take a few days off from the beer.
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Bingo. Talk about reaching for a reason to explain the loss. So the players read what we say on here and listen to us and that's why they played like crap? WTF kind of rationale is that? Bottom line is that the team was downright awful tonight.
 

Blizzard said:
Bad loss but it won't define our season.

Think before you post, there's no reason to go into an epic meltdown.

And nobody wins the pick the f-ing score tonight!!! So forget it!!! Just forget it!!!

That is all.
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hahaha nice post! i agree this loss stings and hopefully it hurts our team more than our fans! cant wait until we destroy cornell!
 

Sorry, but one game in the beginning of the season will not define the season. What's your point about Texas and Alabama? If we go into a huuuge slide, then you can talk.

This is a turning point? Really? Are you psychic? Yes, we sucked at defending the 3, but your d3 comment is ridiculous. I don't care how open they were, the best shooters in the world probably don't go 9/10. It just wasn't our night and you're being a prisoner of the moment.

Pewterschmidt said:
It can define a season. Remember when Texas was ranked #1 last season? Or Alabama the a couple of years ago? The former was 8 seed and the latter didn't even make the tourney.

If you can't handle success, you're doomed. Just like in business, if you rest on your laurels, you'll get burned. The mentality absolutely needs to change. That effort tonight was disgusting. No fighting through screens. Lazy perimeter defense. Players not staying within the offense in the half court set.

We can go 2 different ways. Let that poison of a mentality infect our team after any bit of prosperity or teach the players a lesson that if they don't play smart or without effort, they're just another afterthought of a team. Believe it or not, this is actually a turning point. Let this slide and this effort and selfishness will become the norm, not the exception.

Make no mistake, som random D3 team could make those wide open shots we afforded UVa. We just got beat at home to a team that has little chance at making the NIT because we thought we could walk thru the motions and win. Time to see if Tubby can check their egos.
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Every game can be and is a potential turning point. Pewter has a history of identifying these moments. MIch. State usually has a demoralizing loss early that Izzo works to his advantage. Let this be Tubby's opportunity.
 

No one is saying that this isn't a horrible loss or a tough one to choke down. We are trying to say that the season isn't over and we don't new 50 threads because we lost one game. It could have been to a much worse team, anyways. We were down two starters. The younger guys especially will be able to use this game to see what they did wrong and how to adapt to different styles of play. It sucks, we all agree on that. But let's not flip out - there is a lot of season left and this team has a lot of potential.
 

Did he identify the turning point when we went on a run to make the tourney? Also, what makes a game a turning point? If we lose the next game and go on to have a terrible season, that would make the Virginia game a turning point. But if we go on to win the rest of our OOC games, would that be considered a turning point too? That wouldn't really make sense though, because who's to say we wouldn't have won those games anyway. You could say Butler was a turning point last year because it boosted our egos and then we lost to a bunch of weak opponents. Or, you could say that the Portland game was a turning point.

Kind of rambling, but I'll sum up my point. Turning points are pretty subjective. Pewter also says matter-of-factly that this game is a turning point, but really he doesn't know that, and defining and identifying a turning point even after the season is subjective.

Moonlight said:
Every game can be and is a potential turning point. Pewter has a history of identifying these moments. MIch. State usually has a demoralizing loss early that Izzo works to his advantage. Let this be Tubby's opportunity.
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Gophs got outplayed; it's that simple

The Gophers got drilled in the second half because the other team shot the lights out and outplayed out us something terrible. Our defense was brutal. It happens. We don't want it to happen, but it does. News for you. ... unexpected losses happen at other schools, too.

I can never understand the mentality of "We're Big Ten champion/Final Four material" after a big win (i.e. UNC, West Virginia), nor "The sky is falling, we suck" after an unexpected loss. Ebb and flow of a season, folks. Relax. Let's get back on track by beating up on Cornell, then get prepared for our only true road game (Saint Joe's) prior to the Big Ten season.
 

I can never understand the mentality of "We're Big Ten champion/Final Four material" after a big win (i.e. UNC, West Virginia), nor "The sky is falling, we suck" after an unexpected loss. Ebb and flow of a season, folks. Relax. Let's get back on track by beating up on Cornell, then get prepared for our only true road game (Saint Joe's) prior to the Big Ten season.
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Well said SS. :)
 

Lol .. and I've been reading the carnage on the Wisconsin and Purdue messageboards. Well, so much for that. It was kind of fun while it lasted though.
 

I'm not worried about this loss at all actually. Teams get hot and beat other teams, its what makes college basketball so fun. Now Tubby will refocus this team, and anytime they start to get a bit complacent they will be reminded that they aren't good enough to take it easy.
 

The Virginia coach had probably the best quote I've read about the game:

"I said you treat winning and losing as imposters and keep falling in love with the process and keep getting better and better,"
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We should have another 7-9 chances to figure this one out before tournament time.
 

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