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Shooter quoting Maturi

"We can call them 'Minnesota-like,' but it has to be someone who understands Minnesota. They don't have to be from Minnesota, but they need to understand Minnesota."

Is it going to come down to a choice that embracing the past 45 years, understanding the place of football at the U? Does the new coach have to cowtow to the powers that be?

Or

Should the choice be valued only on the proven ability to Win?

Here is a quote for Joel

Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed
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The red flag for me is Maturi's relationship with Paul Chryst and his inclusion on the list of candidates. Not that Chryst would be a bad hire, but I just want them to make the right hire, based solely on the ability to turn this thing around.
 

What does "understand Minnesota" even mean?....anyone?
 

I think what he's trying to say is the person who is hired cannot be as naive as the last person who held the job.
 

My guess is that Maturi wants a top notch football coach who doesn't view himself as any better or more important than a non revenue sports coach who is running a successful program. This is just based on reading his quotes over the past couple of days.
 


"Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed."

Too bad Mason didn't read Patton because it seems Bruininks did.
 


CP Gopher said:
What does "understand Minnesota" even mean?....anyone?
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Interesting. Most Minnesotans I know understand what this means. They laugh about it.

Here are a couple of things that are talked about.
* Born here, won't move from here, if living outside of MN tries to find a way back.
* An unnatural loyalty to any person who was born in MN and is trying to be successful in their job. This also can be played out in the recruiting talk. More important to sign random kid from {random small town} then bring in an out of state recruit.
 

gophmeister said:
I think what he's trying to say is the person who is hired cannot be as naive as the last person who held the job.
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Ok, I've never understood this. Mason was fired because he couldn't take the team to the next level (contend for the BT title). Brewster comes in talking about being Big Ten champs and gets bashed for it. How does that make Brew naive? How dare he try? It didn't work out for him, but if the next guy doesn't come in talking about championships too I'll be pissed.
 



FreakyDeke said:
Ok, I've never understood this. Mason was fired because he couldn't take the team to the next level (contend for the BT title). Brewster comes in talking about being Big Ten champs and gets bashed for it. How does that make Brew naive? How dare he try? It didn't work out for him, but if the next guy doesn't come in talking about championships too I'll be pissed.
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Naive in that he what he thought and planned for just was beyond his realm of skill. and he didnt know it.
 

Yeah, that comment is troubling. I want the next coach to be completely "un-Minnesotan".

I wonder if this criteria was important to Joel when he hired brewster.
 

FreakyDeke said:
Ok, I've never understood this. Mason was fired because he couldn't take the team to the next level (contend for the BT title). Brewster comes in talking about being Big Ten champs and gets bashed for it. How does that make Brew naive? How dare he try? It didn't work out for him, but if the next guy doesn't come in talking about championships too I'll be pissed.
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Agree 100%. If the new guy's goal isn't a Big Ten championship, he's not the right guy. It doesn't mean you're a complete failure if you don't reach it, but you should always want to be the best. We've had plenty of teams in this state that were "good enough". I want a bonafide winner.
 

What he means is that he doesn't want someone to come in insisting on implementing an offense or defense that is inconsistent with the type of players Minnesota has access to.

Maturi is going to make the next hire. He knows he boofed the pooch with the whole Mason firing/Brewster hiring and that it set the program back at a critical crossroads. At this point, this is all he's going to be known for if he can't find a coach that can at least get things back on track. He wants the opportunity to make a Tubby Smith hire, retire with the stadium sold-out and full, and restore his legacy.
 



Silvio said:
My guess is that Maturi wants a top notch football coach who doesn't view himself as any better or more important than a non revenue sports coach who is running a successful program. This is just based on reading his quotes over the past couple of days.
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If its about stroking the non revenue coaches, its time for Joel to step up and understand that at the U you need two superstars. Head Football Coach and Head Basketball Coach. You want the best, you stroke their ego, you give them the spot light. All the time you should be explaining to the Rowing Coach, it is in her best interest to support the Football Team. For without a winning football team Rowing, Tennis, Golf are a luxury. And Joel that was what happened at Wisconsin, they put all their eggs in the football basket and dropped sports like Baseball.

Winning football, not only assures seating sales, it warms the wallets of the boosters and alumni. Joel all accross the world are alumni who may watch a game, watch the scroll on ESPN till they get a Minnesota Score. They might go the net to check. Without winning there will be no outpouring of support.

Its not about being a Minnesotan, our deferring to the culture of the U. The Coach we need isnt about that, he is about winning and coaching.
 


I don't think the new coach should have to attend maturi's weekly staff meetings. He is not equal to the diving coach. Maturi should put a level between him and the non revenue sports. Call it the director of non-revenue sports. Maturi's staff meeting includes the director, Tubby, Lucia, Borton, and coach Venables. All the other coaches attend the staff meeting of the director.

This treating all the sports the same thing is idiotic in my opinion.
 

badgergopher said:
I don't think the new coach should have to attend maturi's weekly staff meetings. He is not equal to the diving coach. Maturi should put a level between him and the non revenue sports. Call it the director of non-revenue sports. Maturi's staff meeting includes the director, Tubby, Lucia, Borton, and coach Venables. All the other coaches attend the staff meeting of the director.

This treating all the sports the same thing is idiotic in my opinion.
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If this attendance at the group hug comes up, it will be a deal breaker for the Coach we need. Can you imagine Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Bobby Bowden, you get the drift. Can you imagine anyone taking time from what is a 24/7 job for this non sense? Really?
 

In Macturi's world no one part is greater than the whole. Even though he concedes that football is the engine that should drive the athletic program, he wants the football coach to make nice with all the folks who "take" money from the football program. And do it without showing any animosity whatsoever. Love to have seen Bo or Woody smack Voelz upside the head when she created such an antagonistic environment. We are too politically correct IMHO and I'm a life-long Minnesota boy. Macturi seems to buy into all that crap. Sometimes you have to put your foot down.
 

husker70 said:
If this attendance at the group hug comes up, it will be a deal breaker for the Coach we need. Can you imagine Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Bobby Bowden, you get the drift. Can you imagine anyone taking time from what is a 24/7 job for this non sense? Really?
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Minnesotan's don't want coaches who: slug opposing players (Woody); lose most of their bowl games (Bo); or cheat (Bobby).
 

husker70 said:
Shooter quoting Maturi

"We can call them 'Minnesota-like,' but it has to be someone who understands Minnesota. They don't have to be from Minnesota, but they need to understand Minnesota."

When I heard this, I immediately thought that Maturi was subconsciously conditioning us to accept Trestman as coach....does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe Maturi has already spoken with Trestman, we know Dungy already said on the Dan Patrick Show that the people at Minnesota need to be thinking about Mark Trestman, does that mean Dungy already talked to Maturi about this one?
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"Understand Minnesota" means you understand passive-aggressive behavior.
 

I did some research on how many Big Ten sports each Big Ten school offers. The prevailing opinion here is that Minnesota has an outrageous number of sports. But let's look at the numbers, here are the teams and the number of Big Ten sports that they do not support:

Indiana: 2
Illinois: 4
Iowa: 1
Michigan: 1
Michigan State: 1
Penn State: 0
Purdue: 5
Wisconsin: 4
Minnesota: 2
Ohio State: 0
Northwestern: 7

So, we're middle of the pack in number of Big Ten sports offered.

If you factor in hockey, it becomes:

Indiana: 4
Illinois: 6
Iowa: 3
Michigan: 1
Michigan State: 1
Penn State: 2
Purdue: 7
Wisconsin: 4
Minnesota: 2
Ohio State: 0
Northwestern: 9

Even with hockey, we are in 4th, and with Penn State adding hockey, that will move us to 5th.
 

Husker - you are sooooo right!

husker70 said:
Shooter quoting Maturi

"We can call them 'Minnesota-like,' but it has to be someone who understands Minnesota. They don't have to be from Minnesota, but they need to understand Minnesota."

Is it going to come down to a choice that embracing the past 45 years, understanding the place of football at the U? Does the new coach have to cowtow to the powers that be?

Or

Should the choice be valued only on the proven ability to Win?

Here is a quote for Joel
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All your posts here I totally agree with - some here were apparently "wowed" by JM in his presser.


This kind of nonsense may prevent the right coach from coming to MN, among other things.
 

husker70 said:
Shooter quoting Maturi

"We can call them 'Minnesota-like,' but it has to be someone who understands Minnesota. They don't have to be from Minnesota, but they need to understand Minnesota."

Is it going to come down to a choice that embracing the past 45 years, understanding the place of football at the U? Does the new coach have to cowtow to the powers that be?

Or

Should the choice be valued only on the proven ability to Win?

Here is a quote for Joel
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I kind of like this. This is talking about having someone come in without a personal agenda. This is talking about having someone come in and really want the U of M to win not just for the University, but for the state as well. I have no problem with this statement.
 

I feel like a lot of people are trying to read tea leaves here in an effort to forsee disaster. Maybe we should wait until we have something more concrete before we start collectively flinging feces.
 

Triple D said:
we know Dungy already said on the Dan Patrick Show that the people at Minnesota need to be thinking about Mark Trestman
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For the 8,000th time, will people PLEASE stop citing this quote out of context? Thank you in advance.
 


UpnorthGo4 said:
Minnesotan's don't want coaches who: slug opposing players (Woody); lose most of their bowl games (Bo); or cheat (Bobby).
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Apparently you and your ilk think that Minnesotans want the University to lose $3M a year in suite revenues at Mariucci, Williams and TCF every year in the name of populism as well!

How has that worked out?
 

gopherjay said:
CP Gopher said:
What does "understand Minnesota" even mean?....anyone?[/QUOTE

There are things that make Minnesota a unique place. There are other things that Make the U and unique place. And the U has a unique role in this state.

We could have an entire discussion board related to what those things are. But some people can very easily spot them.And these things cause there to be various challenges and opportunities.

The right candidate will understand what those are and will rise to the challenges and take advantage of the opportunities.
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dpodoll68 said:
For the 8,000th time, will people PLEASE stop citing this quote out of context? Thank you in advance.
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How is this out of context? I did not hear Dan Patrick ask Dungy to comment on Mark Trestman specifically (Dungy brought it up), or for that matter any other coaching candidate, did you...or did Dan Patrick say there are rumors that either you or Mark Trestman are possible candidates to take over for Brewster?

Why of all possible candidates would Dungy throw out Trestman's name instead to say that he is simply not interested and they should be focusing on someone else?
 

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