The U's Five-Year Waiver Request - Granted

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Sorry I haven't been available to weigh in sooner, but I'm in Arizona for the West Regional. I returned to the hotel late last night and was on the move early today. Still a bit down from Marquette's loss, but spending today outside watching spring training baseball and eating sickening amounts of food has helped. Now, onto the topic at hand since some of you have asked so nicely...

There was nothing I said that was off base or incorrect. Unlikely things happen.

As I've said, Mbakwe's circumstances did not meet the criteria of the Five-Year Waiver Rule. However, the Committee can and does allow additional years despite circumstances not meeting the criteria (i.e., Kim Royston/Minnesota).

What I did say is that the likelihood of the U's request being granted was remote. I am very surprised by the outcome.

Some things are better left unsaid in certain forums and to certain people. This is true even when speaking more freely would enhance the understanding of others and potentially give them some level of appreciation as it relates to your perspective on something.

I'll continue to leave some things left unsaid. However, I will offer the following:

* This is terrific news for Mbakwe and the basketball team. He's an elite college basketball player and there are several reasons to be optimistic about next season.

* There are different ways to frame arguments. Sometimes being less than forthright may stop short of "dishonesty", yet enable you to knowingly take advantage of another's ignorance, laziness or stupidity.

* For all the whining by some about how the University of Minnesota has been "unfair" as it relates to dealing with basketball suspensions and the like, you'd be hard pressed to find many examples of schools who have gone to bat for a student-athlete like the U has done here, after the player has been found guilty in similar matters. (Again, not sharing my opinion here - just speaking from a historical, factual perspective.)

"Just win, baby."
 

I lol'd. Almost exactly what I was expecting.
 


Gopher Warrior said:
* For all the whining by some about how the University of Minnesota has been "unfair" as it relates to dealing with basketball suspensions and the like, you'd be hard pressed to find many examples of schools who have gone to bat for a student-athlete like the U has done here, after the player has been found guilty in similar matters. (Again, not sharing my opinion here - just speaking from a historical, factual perspective.)

"Just win, baby."
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Not all institutions can meet the high standards set by The Gold:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...letes-campus-security-sexual-assault-policies

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...exual-assault-sexual-attack-allegation-crimes

Punished in house by Buzz, huh? Has the school gotten around to notifying the authorities yet? The Gold really have some standards.

Due to your allegiance to that scumbag coach and program, it'd probably be best to leave out the snarky commentary. BTW - nice backpedal.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
There was nothing I said that was off base or incorrect. Unlikely things happen.
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I was thinking that all of the GW hate was a bit over the top. But after reading this I have decided you earned it. Just swallow your pride man!
 


GW failed to understand that the Five Year Waiver isn't an open and cut formula. I didn't think that Trevor would qualify, but he has yet been able to comprehend exactly the part of the actual rule that allows for some discretion. Oh well, I suppose it's easier for him to talk in riddles and insinuate some weird sort of conspiracy than it is for him to say "huh, I was wrong".

I'll show you how....I genuinely didn't think Trevor had much of a chance and I was wrong. Ahh....that's so much easier than speaking in riddles.
 

Go away, quit posting here, you are not a fan of this team

Gopher Warrior said:
Sorry I haven't been available to weigh in sooner, but I'm in Arizona for the West Regional
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Weren't you at the state tourney the night the news broke? Way to pull the hotshot too busy card.

Gopher Warrior said:
There was nothing I said that was off base or incorrect.
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Good one.

Gopher Warrior said:
been found guilty in similar matters. (Again, not sharing my opinion here - just speaking from a historical, factual perspective.)
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Had to throw that in there again didn't ya?
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
GW failed to understand that the Five Year Waiver isn't an open and cut formula. I didn't think that Trevor would qualify, but he has yet been able to comprehend exactly the part of the actual rule that allows for some discretion. Oh well, I suppose it's easier for him to talk in riddles and insinuate some weird sort of conspiracy than it is for him to say "huh, I was wrong".

I'll show you how....I genuinely didn't think Trevor had much of a chance and I was wrong. Ahh....that's so much easier than speaking in riddles.
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+1

For GW not to realize that the NCAA has flat out changed their stance and how they act on these matters is just flat out ignorance. Sometimes humility is good, apparently not for you. You should just admit you were wrong and people would respect that. Instead, you keep acting like...GW. Well, at least you wont dislocate your shoulder today.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
Sorry I haven't been available to weigh in sooner, but I'm in Arizona for the West Regional. I returned to the hotel late last night and was on the move early today. Still a bit down from Marquette's loss, but spending today outside watching spring training baseball and eating sickening amounts of food has helped. Now, onto the topic at hand since some of you have asked so nicely...

There was nothing I said that was off base or incorrect. Unlikely things happen.

As I've said, Mbakwe's circumstances did not meet the criteria of the Five-Year Waiver Rule. However, the Committee can and does allow additional years despite circumstances not meeting the criteria (i.e., Kim Royston/Minnesota).

What I did say is that the likelihood of the U's request being granted was remote. I am very surprised by the outcome.

Some things are better left unsaid in certain forums and to certain people. This is true even when speaking more freely would enhance the understanding of others and potentially give them some level of appreciation as it relates to your perspective on something.

I'll continue to leave some things left unsaid. However, I will offer the following:

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You gave yourself a 2% out, and are trying to make that seem like you're possess an even greater mind understanding issues the rest of us fail to grasp. I also like the superiority touch of hanging out watching spring ball unlike us and the standard self-deprecating reference to too much food. After all, you're not perfect. But then you have even more knowledge but we're not worthy enough to be in on it. Too bad the M.A.S.H. series is over. Got a feeling you'd be perfect in the role of Frank Burns, the pompous a** everyone laughed at.

Your PM to me still challenging me to bet when I disagreed with you about Kill's seizure history was weird but revealing. This post is also revealing but really hilarious.
 



Gopher Warrior said:
There was nothing I said that was off base or incorrect. Unlikely things happen.
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C'mon man, that is untrue. Saying there was only a 2% chance and continuing to assert how "unlikely" it was, was way off base. That's not hindsight. Several posters suggested at the time that the NCAA has discretion on these matters, and that there was inherent fairness in the U's request since Mbakwe in essence has only had 1 full year (plus a few games) of D-1 basketball. Add in the fact that Tubby is respected by the NCAA, and there was a realistic chance this would be approved...maybe not "likely" but I was always skeptical of this "2%" business.

If a Vegas casino set odds like that, it would go bankrupt in no time.
 

I would add, as several people did at the time, that the fact he has had only 1 full year was indeed out of his control and mostly out of the U's control.

Not his fault or the U's fault that his Marquette coach played him at the end of his fr year to waste a year of eligibility. A player is not in the position to tell his coach he doesn't want to play, doesn't want to help the team even if it costs him a year.

Not his fault or the U's fault that Crean, the coach he committed to play for, bolted. So he transfers, and uses a year of eligibility at CC (granted, didn't have to go to CC, but otherwise he would've had to sit a year anyway and we'd be in the same position of petitioning for a 6th year).

3rd year is the most ambiguous, but you could argue, realistically what choice did he have in pleading what he did in Miami? Maybe he did it, maybe not, but the way they were pursuing it I think he did what he had to do. It's like a defendant that settles a civil case simply because the cost of defending exceeds what the settlement would be. Just want to get it over with. And in holding him out that year, the U could say it was just being responsible and conservative and acting in the student-athlete's best interest at the time.

5th year he gets hurt.

Sure the NCAA *could* have denied it -- their discretion -- but I think this was the RIGHT and fair decision in this case.
 


I have heard many basketball commentators over the past few weeks say that if the NCAA is considering the true spirit of the appeal process, they would rule in favor of the appeal for Trevor. I did not hear one announcer say that they would be surprised if the appeal would be approved or indicate it was unlikely that the appeal would be approved. It is good to know after reading your post that once again you are smarter than everyone else. Congratulations, your ego is truely off the charts.

This response from you would have made a lot more sense - My knowledge of Trevor's situation made me believe that it was highly likely that the appeal would be approved. I am happy for Trevor, the U of M basketball program and Gopher fans that the appeal was appproved and I was proven wrong.
 



GW's making predictions like these are like others who make predictions (aka guesses into the future). Proven wrong is not the same as saying guessing wrong. This is why I only make minor "guesses" about the future, then I shut up, whether I guessed right or wrong.

I say lay off GW.
 

Mulligan said:
You gave yourself a 2% out, and are trying to make that seem like you're possess an even greater mind understanding issues the rest of us fail to grasp. I also like the superiority touch of hanging out watching spring ball unlike us and the standard self-deprecating reference to too much food. After all, you're not perfect. But then you have even more knowledge but we're not worthy enough to be in on it. Too bad the M.A.S.H. series is over. Got a feeling you'd be perfect in the role of Frank Burns, the pompous a** everyone laughed at.

Your PM to me still challenging me to bet when I disagreed with you about Kill's seizure history was weird but revealing. This post is also revealing but really hilarious.
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Great post.

JohnnyGopher? Chris? Ryan James used to weigh in, GL hardly post anymore. Now we're stuck with this jerk who hates the gophers.
 

Just saw this tweet from Maxey:

@SidWannaBe: "Oh boy. More major drama for #GW likely to unfold. Not liking where this may wind up."
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5459568

From the article:
His decision to enter the pretrial intervention program is not an admission of guilt. The program lasts six months and requires Mbakwe to serve 100 hours of community service and donate $100 to a Florida shelter for abuse victims.

Mbakwe was eligible to enter the pre-trial program as a "first-time offender," but Samms said this option is usually only available to those charged with misdemeanors, not felonies.

"They had no case and they're just trying to cover themselves," he said.

There's no question that you have issues with Mbakwe and question his moral fiber. You can certainly hold that viewpoint, but when it colors your "reporting" as significantly as it has throughout Mbakwe's tenure at the U of M it also affects how seriously I (and I presume many others) take anything you report/comment upon. Instead of recusing yourself from commenting upon Mbakwe or sticking squarely to facts involving him, you seem to revel in any negative news that may involve Mbakwe. (your tweet this past fall re: "more problems for Mbakwe ahead!" was probably the most egregious example of this).

If you would have posted just this line-What I did say is that the likelihood of the U's request being granted was remote. I am very surprised by the outcome.-as your response, I'm sure you'd have some of the blood from a turnip crowd demanding more groveling, but for the most part, I think the GH audience would move on. Instead you coach this statement in pomposity and a jab at the "win at all costs" mentality of the "U" which is quite laughable in the context of college sports and you invite more derision from the crowd.
 

coolhandgopher said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5459568

From the article:
His decision to enter the pretrial intervention program is not an admission of guilt. The program lasts six months and requires Mbakwe to serve 100 hours of community service and donate $100 to a Florida shelter for abuse victims.

Mbakwe was eligible to enter the pre-trial program as a "first-time offender," but Samms said this option is usually only available to those charged with misdemeanors, not felonies.

"They had no case and they're just trying to cover themselves," he said.

There's no question that you have issues with Mbakwe and question his moral fiber. You can certainly hold that viewpoint, but when it colors your "reporting" as significantly as it has throughout Mbakwe's tenure at the U of M it also affects how seriously I (and I presume many others) take anything you report/comment upon. Instead of recusing yourself from commenting upon Mbakwe or sticking squarely to facts involving him, you seem to revel in any negative news that may involve Mbakwe. (your tweet this past fall re: "more problems for Mbakwe ahead!" was probably the most egregious example of this).

If you would have posted just this line-What I did say is that the likelihood of the U's request being granted was remote. I am very surprised by the outcome.-as your response, I'm sure you'd have some of the blood from a turnip crowd demanding more groveling, but for the most part, I think the GH audience would move on. Instead you coach this statement in pomposity and a jab at the "win at all costs" mentality of the "U" which is quite laughable in the context of college sports and you invite more derision from the crowd.
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Mbakwe violated the pre-trial intervention terms and did not complete that program. He was found guilty by the court after pleading no contest. He however was not adjudicated (convicted) guilty.
 

I also recall several times JB openly questioned whether the U would even go through the trouble of filing a waiver because they had no chance to get it.
 

here is the deal gw will post he was right and bring up it in future posts if trevor was declined but since he was not right gw points out that he said "remote" not impossible and therefore he was not wrong.....
 

Gold Vision said:
Mbakwe violated the pre-trial intervention terms and did not complete that program. He was found guilty by the court after pleading no contest. He however was not adjudicated (convicted) guilty.
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I think Mbakwe's charge was adjudicated. I know you can plead guilty in Minnesota and accept a "Stay of Adjudication" which means that if you remain law abiding (or whatever other conditions) that the offense does not go on your record and they essentially don't accept the guilty plea. However, you can certainly plead guilty to something and have it part of your record.
 

I'm sure GW has a magical and arrogant way of spinning all of his wrong picks in the bracket as "in no way off base or incorrect." I bet in his mind he has picked a perfect bracket so far as he is never actually wrong. I guessed that Mbakwe wouldn't get a 6th year too (although I didn't act as confident and arrogant about it). Guess what, I was wrong. And I'm extremely happy about it.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I think Mbakwe's charge was adjudicated. I know you can plead guilty in Minnesota and accept a "Stay of Adjudication" which means that if you remain law abiding (or whatever other conditions) that the offense does not go on your record and they essentially don't accept the guilty plea. However, you can certainly plead guilty to something and have it part of your record.
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Adjudication was withheld. We discussed it in the other 50 page thread. This particular felony cannot be sealed or expunged from his record though.
 

The real beauty is how GW weasled his way into the trust of the people who run the Gopherhole.
 


Blizz

Blizzard said:
The real beauty is how GW weasled his way into the trust of the people who run the Gopherhole.
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I am surprised to see this comment from you. Exactly how did he weasle his way into their trust?

I do not understand why something happening that GW said, in his opinion, only had a 2% chance of happening is causing so much of a firestorm.

:confused:
 

Section201 said:
I am surprised to see this comment from you. Exactly how did he weasle his way into their trust?

I do not understand why something happening that GW said, in his opinion, only had a 2% chance of happening is causing so much of a firestorm.

:confused:
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It's not just the 2% comment, it's his entire 'reporting' on the Mbakwe situation, starting with the cryptic 'bad news coming' tweet specially dropped the day after the Tip-off and continuing to this day.

He obviously doesn't like Mbakwe, and that's fine. But if you're going to hold yourself out as a quasi-reporter, and send the local media into a mini-tizzy following up on your 'breaking news', then expect to be held to a higher standard then a normal anonymous message board poster. In the time since, he has repeatedly referred to Trevor as 'guilty' in a manner no other local media has, and drove it home with this '2%' business. It not only makes him look bad, it damages the credibility of this site, IMO.
 

Section201 said:
I am surprised to see this comment from you. Exactly how did he weasle his way into their trust?

I do not understand why something happening that GW said, in his opinion, only had a 2% chance of happening is causing so much of a firestorm.

:confused:
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If he had only casually made that comment once as opposed to being so outspoken about his opinion and didn't have a track record of having a "everything I say is correct, I am never wrong no matter what" attitude I don't think people would have cared.
 



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