The myth of player development

[CentralGopher]

Of course they would want them because of their raw talent. However, there are also recruits they have that would fit our system better than our current players because of individual characteristics such as dedication to the sport and the drive to be successful . Brewster has failed as a coach because of his inability to identify the players ,which are on teams such as NDSU, who have those traits as players/people.

By the way, why do you state that "there is so much more to coaching than gameday coaching"?. This is my whole argument! LOL

A lot of the dedication and drive you saw from teams such as NDSU and USD is simply desire to beat the team that wouldn't have them and not necessarilly a constant thing with those players. USD has not necessarilly been great in any other game but they sure were against us. Or was it that we were just really bad. That could be a debate for a different thread.

 

[raragophers]

A lot of the dedication and drive you saw from teams such as NDSU and USD is simply desire to beat the team that wouldn't have them and not necessarilly a constant thing with those players. thread.

collectivley as a team I would agree with you. However, judging on an individual basis I would wager you probably would find a few players who play with the same mentality on a day in/day out basis. Brewsters job is to find those individuals and he has not succeeded.

 

[RodentRampage]

Of course they would want them because of their raw talent.

So, they would rather have these alleged unmotivated players rather than the alleged motivated players that they get?

However, there are also recruits they have that would fit our system better than our current players because of individual characteristics such as dedication to the sport and the drive to be successful . Brewster has failed as a coach because of his inability to identify the players ,which are on teams such as NDSU, who have those traits as players/people.

You haven't offered any evidence that NDSU has more dedication or self-motivation than Minnesota players. That they beat us isn't evidence of this.

By the way, why do you state that "there is so much more to coaching than gameday coaching"?. This is my whole argument! LOL

A huge part of coaching is getting the most out of your players, whether or not they are self-motivated.

 

[raragophers]

"So, they would rather have these alleged unmotivated players rather than the alleged motivated players that they get?

dont put words in my mouth. They want both motivation and talent obviously, just like any other school.

You haven't offered any evidence that NDSU has more dedication or self-motivation than Minnesota players. That they beat us isn't evidence of this.

-How do you prove it is not evidence? Dedication and self motivation are key factors in predicting successful outcomes

A huge part of coaching is getting the most out of your players, whether or not they are self-motivated.

-agree with "getting the most out of your players". However, you are not able to get the most out of your players when they are NOT SELF MOTIVATED!

 

[littlebigboy]

You can't use the changing positions as an excuse. John Williams in the mid 60's when you could only play 3 yrs. played 3 positions and has a super bowl ring. Charlie Sanders played 3 positions and is in the Pro football Hall of Fame. and were on the 67 team that won the BT. They were on their 3rd position in 3 yrs. You have to have some tallent and desire, but coaching (teaching ) is impt.

 

[RodentRampage]

-How do you prove it is not evidence? Dedication and self motivation are key factors in predicting successful outcomes

It's not evidence because the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. Just because they beat us doesn't mean that their players were self-motivated and ours were not.

-agree with "getting the most out of your players". However, you are not able to get the most out of your players when they are NOT SELF MOTIVATED!

It would be fantastic is all players were highly self-motivated. If they were, no school would have to take even a moment for conditioning, as all the players would have themselves in the peak of physical condition. But the reality is that few players match this nearly mythical idea. The coaches job is to make the players better players.

 

[50PoundHead]

If that was true we wouldn't have lost to USD or Northern Illinois.

More doesn't mean "always" and experience matters.

 

[raragophers]

are you kidding me with this quote? "If they were, no school would have to take even a moment for conditioning, as all the players would have themselves in the peak of physical condition"

conditioning is a part of ALL team activities and is done by everyone regardless if that individual is self motivated or not! However, it is up to that individual while doing things such as conditioning and studying game film to put in that "extra effort" and determination while participating in these activities.

How is this hard to understand? How old are you, seriously?

 

[RodentRampage]

are you kidding me with this quote? "If they were, no school would have to take even a moment for conditioning, as all the players would have themselves in the peak of physical condition"

conditioning is a part of ALL team activities and is done by everyone regardless if that individual is self motivated or not! However, it is up to that individual while doing things such as conditioning and studying game film to put in that "extra effort" and determination while participating in these activities.

How is this hard to understand? How old are you, seriously?

I understand it perfectly, you do not. Yes, all teams do conditioning, but WHY do they do conditioning? If the players were sufficiently self-motivated, there would be no need. Teams do this, because very few players are so self-motivated to have themselves in the peak of physical fitness.

Take a drill sergeant for example. Drill sergeants don't behave the way they do because they are mean people. They behave the way they do in order to get more out of you than a person would normally give on their own.

 

[badgerman27]

Same thing with Bielema. Wisconsin has a system. They recruit great running backs to put behind a well-schooled line, get a QB who plays within the system, and then roll the dice.


You're correct about the basic system we use for success, but more than anything, player development is the real key to our continuity.

WI and MN are greatly alike in our overall lack of D1 recruits. Neither state produces enough talent to support a program, so we have to get talent elsewhere. The problem is, more than 50% of recruits want to stay close to home, eliminating 50% of the available talent pool. Next, you have to beat out all of the power programs. Good luck. Another 20-25% gone. The answer? Find the raw players that aren't fully developed - either in size or ability, and try to project what they can become with proper coaching, strength and conditioning, and individual effort and desire to improve. That's how we can survive with recruiting classes that regularly finish somewhere between 25-40.

You take the kids, and develop them. You'll always have a few that are ready to contribute right away. Redshirt as many of the others as you can. They'll be spot contributors for the next couple of years. By the time those kids are in their 3rd year, they are approaching physical maturity. They still won't be as quite good as many of the more highly rated recruits in their own class, but they are now able to compete with them. In their 4th & 5th years, they are the backbone of your squad, they are physically mature, they are confident and expect to win. Not much difference between them and a 4 or 5 star recruit in their 3rd/4th year in another program. That's how you remain competitive with schools that finish far ahead of you in recruiting.