The Myth of Minnesota Superiority

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I normally don't post on other boards, but as Popeye once said, "that's all I can stands, I can stand no more." Awhile back there was a topic on this board in which one of you walked into a bar and made some remark to a couple of people minding their own business who happened to be wearing Iowa sweatshirts. Then when they responded, the Minnesota dude's daughter made that very predictable comeback "how are the pro teams doing in Iowa this year?"

More recently I have been reading the usual dribble on this board about no cultural activities in Iowa, nothing to do there, lack of Fortune 500 companies, Iowa stinks, we hate Iowa, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Some of you obviously just don't get it. This board is about college football, and Iowa has a better program than you do (which doesn't mean that they will win Saturday). I could care less about the NFL, but if I did, I'd be a fan of the team of my choice. The state that I reside in would have nothing to do with my allegiance because I am smart enough to realize that Pro sports have little if anything to do with the state that they are located in.

Until the Twins and Vikings arrived, all pro franchises were named for the city of location. Calling them Minnesota whatever was just a brilliant marketing strategy. Pro teams are artificial in nature with their fake cheerleaders, stupid fight songs, and in many cases spoiled overindulged players. They have nothing to do with you except profit, and if you don't give them what they want, they will go some place else.

As for the rest of it, grow up. It makes you sound provincial and insecure. My guess is that most posters on this board have never been to the Guthrie Theatre, so don't give me the culture crap. I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines. The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa, and if I can't, I do the same thing that you would do; I get in my car and go to where I can.

You see, state borders are simply political creations. Indeed, if it hadn't been for the desire to create another anti-slave state, there would never have been a Minnesota. Everything south and west of the Mississippi would have been Iowa, and the rest of it would have been Wisconsin. What all of this means is that its alright if you live in Minnesota and become a Hawkeye fan if the Brewster thing doesn't work out. Or you can persist with your "we wish we were Chicago" syndrome and try and make yourself feel better by putting other people down.
 


Oh noez! Somebody ripped on Iowa!

:cry::cry::cry::cry:
 

good first post , I actually do enjoy all the culture here, and Minneapolis is one of my favorite cities, Iowa people are predominantly Cubs fans because their minor league team resides there, so they I dont completely understand your reasoning, and if youve ever been to a vikings or twins game then you'd realize just how much of a part they have in Minnesota, I understand you enjoy Iowa, but and there are redneck idiot fans everywhere, it just seems that a lot more come from Iowa and for those of us who have been in Iowa actually do think it is extremely boring and has very little to do....kind of like Nebraska, this mixed with all the things Iowa fans do just makes it way too easy to rip on your portly redneck fans
 

What irritates me are all the transplanted Iowans and Wisconsinites that reside in the Twin Cities, and their persistant feeling that their schools are superior to UofM. Why don't you all leave and go back to your states, where your University has apparently failed to be the public sector incubator for business and technology (to the point that you are unable to find employment there), and just leave us alone?
 


I normally don't post on other boards, but as Popeye once said, "that's all I can stands, I can stand no more." Awhile back there was a topic on this board in which one of you walked into a bar and made some remark to a couple of people minding their own business who happened to be wearing Iowa sweatshirts. Then when they responded, the Minnesota dude's daughter made that very predictable comeback "how are the pro teams doing in Iowa this year?"

More recently I have been reading the usual dribble on this board about no cultural activities in Iowa, nothing to do there, lack of Fortune 500 companies, Iowa stinks, we hate Iowa, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Some of you obviously just don't get it. This board is about college football, and Iowa has a better program than you do (which doesn't mean that they will win Saturday). I could care less about the NFL, but if I did, I'd be a fan of the team of my choice. The state that I reside in would have nothing to do with my allegiance because I am smart enough to realize that Pro sports have little if anything to do with the state that they are located in.

Until the Twins and Vikings arrived, all pro franchises were named for the city of location. Calling them Minnesota whatever was just a brilliant marketing strategy. Pro teams are artificial in nature with their fake cheerleaders, stupid fight songs, and in many cases spoiled overindulged players. They have nothing to do with you except profit, and if you don't give them what they want, they will go some place else.

As for the rest of it, grow up. It makes you sound provincial and insecure. My guess is that most posters on this board have never been to the Guthrie Theatre, so don't give me the culture crap. I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines. The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa, and if I can't, I do the same thing that you would do; I get in my car and go to where I can.

You see, state borders are simply political creations. Indeed, if it hadn't been for the desire to create another anti-slave state, there would never have been a Minnesota. Everything south and west of the Mississippi would have been Iowa, and the rest of it would have been Wisconsin. What all of this means is that its alright if you live in Minnesota and become a Hawkeye fan if the Brewster thing doesn't work out. Or you can persist with your "we wish we were Chicago" syndrome and try and make yourself feel better by putting other people down.
Minnesota is superior, just for the simple fact that we know it's "drivel", not "dribble". I'll wager you wasted your entire evening on this garbage, I suggest you go to bed, you'll have to be up quite early to milk Bessie and Bossie in the morning.
 

it always makes me laugh when people claim that Iowa is even close to on par with Minnesota. There is a reason that all the Iowa graduates move to Minneapolis.
 

I was shopping at the grocery store the other day and they had this cereal I had never tried. Honey bunches of oats with real peaches. Now it didn't sound so great but the price was right so I thought I'd try it. I mean two bucks, how can you go wrong. So I brought it home and tried it, ehh, it was ok but worth about two bucks. but what I was really shopping for was wheat chex. I love wheat chex. It's boring I know but I like it. Usually they're just too expensive so I don't buy them but this time of year they go on sale. Two bucks a pop, and so I load up. Now I don't know how long the shelf life is on the boxes so I really don't know how many boxes I could buy and store for later. So far in past years I've only bought ten boxes and the last one seemed all right. Maybe I'll try for twenty this year.

The real question though in my mind is how come I don't eat my absolute favorite very often. I love Kellog's Frosted Flakes, I'd say they're my favorite, but not just plain. I've got to slice a banana into the bowl to really set it off. It's yummy. but I might buy it like once a year. Why do you suppose that is? I don't know either. Curious things we do and don't do. Speaking of slicing bananas, I like to use the spoon to slice them. Just kind of scoop the slices right out of the peel. I think because it's one less utinsel. I bet that's why. I've been doing it that way for so long I don't really know why I do it that way.

Some times I think I should try a new type of cereal, which is why I grab things on sale. It forces me to try new things. Maybe that's why I like cheap women. But I digress. So when I go shopping there is usually a few things I must get, like say coffee filters. Speaking of, that's been like the only thing on my list the last three times I've gone shopping and each time I forget to buy them. I'm down to about a half a dozen. Maybe tomorrow. But I think I'm going shopping at Wall Mart with Doctor Don so maybe I'll wait until then if I don't lose my wallet first. But back to the point, I like shopping just for sales. It it's on sale and I think I'll eat it I buy it. Saves me all kinds of money and forces me to try new things. I don't suggest honey bunches of oats with real peaches though. It's Ok, but only on super sale.
 




I was shopping at the grocery store the other day and they had this cereal I had never tried. Honey bunches of oats with real peaches. Now it didn't sound so great but the price was right so I thought I'd try it. I mean two bucks, how can you go wrong. So I brought it home and tried it, ehh, it was ok but worth about two bucks. but what I was really shopping for was wheat chex. I love wheat chex. It's boring I know but I like it. Usually they're just too expensive so I don't buy them but this time of year they go on sale. Two bucks a pop, and so I load up. Now I don't know how long the shelf life is on the boxes so I really don't know how many boxes I could buy and store for later. So far in past years I've only bought ten boxes and the last one seemed all right. Maybe I'll try for twenty this year.

The real question though in my mind is how come I don't eat my absolute favorite very often. I love Kellog's Frosted Flakes, I'd say they're my favorite, but not just plain. I've got to slice a banana into the bowl to really set it off. It's yummy. but I might buy it like once a year. Why do you suppose that is? I don't know either. Curious things we do and don't do. Speaking of slicing bananas, I like to use the spoon to slice them. Just kind of scoop the slices right out of the peel. I think because it's one less utinsel. I bet that's why. I've been doing it that way for so long I don't really know why I do it that way.

Some times I think I should try a new type of cereal, which is why I grab things on sale. It forces me to try new things. Maybe that's why I like cheap women. But I digress. So when I go shopping there is usually a few things I must get, like say coffee filters. Speaking of, that's been like the only thing on my list the last three times I've gone shopping and each time I forget to buy them. I'm down to about a half a dozen. Maybe tomorrow. But I think I'm going shopping at Wall Mart with Doctor Don so maybe I'll wait until then if I don't lose my wallet first. But back to the point, I like shopping just for sales. It it's on sale and I think I'll eat it I buy it. Saves me all kinds of money and forces me to try new things. I don't suggest honey bunches of oats with real peaches though. It's Ok, but only on super sale.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cool03::drink:
 

As for the rest of it, grow up. It makes you sound provincial and insecure. My guess is that most posters on this board have never been to the Guthrie Theatre, so don't give me the culture crap. I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines. The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa, and if I can't, I do the same thing that you would do; I get in my car and go to where I can.

That explains why there are only about 100 students at Carver Hawkeye tonight, Iowa is just to damn culturally diverse to attend the ball game.
 

it always makes me laugh when people claim that Iowa is even close to on par with Minnesota. There is a reason that all the Iowa graduates move to Minneapolis.

Not all. There's a whole herd of them in the Chicago area. One can't ride the Red Line on the El without seeing that Fred Flinstone-esque black and gold logo hanging from balconies facing the tracks. My office administrator is one.
 

Not all. There's a whole herd of them in the Chicago area. One can't ride the Red Line on the El without seeing that Fred Flinstone-esque black and gold logo hanging from balconies facing the tracks. My office administrator is one.

Awesome! Evidence that the enemy of my enemy truly is my friend! :D
 



I was shopping at the grocery store the other day and they had this cereal I had never tried. Honey bunches of oats with real peaches. Now it didn't sound so great but the price was right so I thought I'd try it. I mean two bucks, how can you go wrong. So I brought it home and tried it, ehh, it was ok but worth about two bucks. but what I was really shopping for was wheat chex. I love wheat chex. It's boring I know but I like it. Usually they're just too expensive so I don't buy them but this time of year they go on sale. Two bucks a pop, and so I load up. Now I don't know how long the shelf life is on the boxes so I really don't know how many boxes I could buy and store for later. So far in past years I've only bought ten boxes and the last one seemed all right. Maybe I'll try for twenty this year.

The real question though in my mind is how come I don't eat my absolute favorite very often. I love Kellog's Frosted Flakes, I'd say they're my favorite, but not just plain. I've got to slice a banana into the bowl to really set it off. It's yummy. but I might buy it like once a year. Why do you suppose that is? I don't know either. Curious things we do and don't do. Speaking of slicing bananas, I like to use the spoon to slice them. Just kind of scoop the slices right out of the peel. I think because it's one less utinsel. I bet that's why. I've been doing it that way for so long I don't really know why I do it that way.

Some times I think I should try a new type of cereal, which is why I grab things on sale. It forces me to try new things. Maybe that's why I like cheap women. But I digress. So when I go shopping there is usually a few things I must get, like say coffee filters. Speaking of, that's been like the only thing on my list the last three times I've gone shopping and each time I forget to buy them. I'm down to about a half a dozen. Maybe tomorrow. But I think I'm going shopping at Wall Mart with Doctor Don so maybe I'll wait until then if I don't lose my wallet first. But back to the point, I like shopping just for sales. It it's on sale and I think I'll eat it I buy it. Saves me all kinds of money and forces me to try new things. I don't suggest honey bunches of oats with real peaches though. It's Ok, but only on super sale.

I stick to Berry Berry Kix. It's my favorite, and I've been burned by other cereals before.
 

I stick to Berry Berry Kix. It's my favorite, and I've been burned by other cereals before.

I think that's the real problem, my formative cereal years were prior to all the variations. I mean Kix was neat to have, except you didn't want to spill the box, they go everywhere. I never really got into the different kinds of kix. I imagine Berry Berry kix would be good. I think I'll look for them on sale and give it a go. Thanks for the tip.
 

Everything south and west of the Mississippi would have been Iowa, and the rest of it would have been Wisconsin.

That's hawkeye-like. I thought Iowa was supposed to have good elementary schools?
 

That's xxxxxxx. I thought Iowa was supposed to have good elementary schools?

We don't use that word on this site. You can replace it with hawkey like, or badgeresk. But no not that word.
 

good first post , I actually do enjoy all the culture here, and Minneapolis is one of my favorite cities, Iowa people are predominantly Cubs fans because their minor league team resides there, so they I dont completely understand your reasoning, and if youve ever been to a vikings or twins game then you'd realize just how much of a part they have in Minnesota, I understand you enjoy Iowa, but and there are redneck idiot fans everywhere, it just seems that a lot more come from Iowa and for those of us who have been in Iowa actually do think it is extremely boring and has very little to do....kind of like Nebraska, this mixed with all the things Iowa fans do just makes it way too easy to rip on your portly redneck fans

Just playing the devil's advocate here but I once heard that people that are bored or that can't find anything to do are really just boring people. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 


I normally don't post on other boards, but as Popeye once said, "that's all I can stands, I can stand no more." Awhile back there was a topic on this board in which one of you walked into a bar and made some remark to a couple of people minding their own business who happened to be wearing Iowa sweatshirts. Then when they responded, the Minnesota dude's daughter made that very predictable comeback "how are the pro teams doing in Iowa this year?"

More recently I have been reading the usual dribble on this board about no cultural activities in Iowa, nothing to do there, lack of Fortune 500 companies, Iowa stinks, we hate Iowa, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Some of you obviously just don't get it. This board is about college football, and Iowa has a better program than you do (which doesn't mean that they will win Saturday). I could care less about the NFL, but if I did, I'd be a fan of the team of my choice. The state that I reside in would have nothing to do with my allegiance because I am smart enough to realize that Pro sports have little if anything to do with the state that they are located in.

Until the Twins and Vikings arrived, all pro franchises were named for the city of location. Calling them Minnesota whatever was just a brilliant marketing strategy. Pro teams are artificial in nature with their fake cheerleaders, stupid fight songs, and in many cases spoiled overindulged players. They have nothing to do with you except profit, and if you don't give them what they want, they will go some place else.

As for the rest of it, grow up. It makes you sound provincial and insecure. My guess is that most posters on this board have never been to the Guthrie Theatre, so don't give me the culture crap. I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines. The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa, and if I can't, I do the same thing that you would do; I get in my car and go to where I can.

You see, state borders are simply political creations. Indeed, if it hadn't been for the desire to create another anti-slave state, there would never have been a Minnesota. Everything south and west of the Mississippi would have been Iowa, and the rest of it would have been Wisconsin. What all of this means is that its alright if you live in Minnesota and become a Hawkeye fan if the Brewster thing doesn't work out. Or you can persist with your "we wish we were Chicago" syndrome and try and make yourself feel better by putting other people down.

please son! minnesota has some large, hairy balls for your little ioweee mouth. move on you little pig-fucher you! :pig:
 


I was shopping at the grocery store the other day and they had this cereal I had never tried. Honey bunches of oats with real peaches. Now it didn't sound so great but the price was right so I thought I'd try it. I mean two bucks, how can you go wrong. So I brought it home and tried it, ehh, it was ok but worth about two bucks. but what I was really shopping for was wheat chex. I love wheat chex. It's boring I know but I like it. Usually they're just too expensive so I don't buy them but this time of year they go on sale. Two bucks a pop, and so I load up. Now I don't know how long the shelf life is on the boxes so I really don't know how many boxes I could buy and store for later. So far in past years I've only bought ten boxes and the last one seemed all right. Maybe I'll try for twenty this year.

The real question though in my mind is how come I don't eat my absolute favorite very often. I love Kellog's Frosted Flakes, I'd say they're my favorite, but not just plain. I've got to slice a banana into the bowl to really set it off. It's yummy. but I might buy it like once a year. Why do you suppose that is? I don't know either. Curious things we do and don't do. Speaking of slicing bananas, I like to use the spoon to slice them. Just kind of scoop the slices right out of the peel. I think because it's one less utinsel. I bet that's why. I've been doing it that way for so long I don't really know why I do it that way.

Some times I think I should try a new type of cereal, which is why I grab things on sale. It forces me to try new things. Maybe that's why I like cheap women. But I digress. So when I go shopping there is usually a few things I must get, like say coffee filters. Speaking of, that's been like the only thing on my list the last three times I've gone shopping and each time I forget to buy them. I'm down to about a half a dozen. Maybe tomorrow. But I think I'm going shopping at Wall Mart with Doctor Don so maybe I'll wait until then if I don't lose my wallet first. But back to the point, I like shopping just for sales. It it's on sale and I think I'll eat it I buy it. Saves me all kinds of money and forces me to try new things. I don't suggest honey bunches of oats with real peaches though. It's Ok, but only on super sale.

I totally agree. This is a conundrum. I would say my staple used to be Frosty Flakes. However it makes me think of college, and when I think of college I think how poor I was. I mean I did go to a great school, and a lot of people were jealous of me. Yet I was still poor. Not poor enough not to be able to digest 3 bowls of frosty flakes a day. However I was too poor to eat a banana. If you got lucky and ate your frosty flakes quickly, you could generally get another bowl in using the same milk, and of course save some cash.

However, now when I buy frosty flakes I feel like I can do better. I think to myself, how long must you relive your days when living in a sty was okay. Now when I walk down the isle I'm always drawn to the rich man's Pebbles. Only a man of wealth could confidently eat a cereal with so many colors and that would use so much milk with each bite. Then reality sits in, or maybe just a bunch of commercials, but you start buying Honey Nut cheerios. You start asking random people if they lowered their cholesterol. I sometimes like to brag, even though that isn't very Minnesota nice. I do feel guilty and then try to apologize and offer to share a bowl of frosty flakes over a nice afternoon of smurfs and spiderman cartoons. But mostly they say sorry I'm going to the Gutherie again. I was going to go to the Ordway, but St. Paul is so confusing with those drunken irish streets. I don't mind I guess since I was heading over to Stages to catch a show with my family. I, generally, have to watch two-three shows a week just to be able to walk to the water cooler and not be embarrassed that I can't talk about the latest understudy. In fact I was listening to KFAN and they were ripping the Guthrie. Something about how people just talk about going, but never do. I guess I don't know what they said, b/c I just felt bad for them that nobody pays attention to them, so I just turned to the station while I was going to the restroom to take a Reusse.

Anyways my frosty flakes are soggy. Ergo this thread kind of sucks now.
 

Not all. There's a whole herd of them in the Chicago area. One can't ride the Red Line on the El without seeing that Fred Flinstone-esque black and gold logo hanging from balconies facing the tracks. My office administrator is one.

seriously!?

i rode the red line almost every day for the last year and never saw ONE hawkeye fan, hat, shirt or lightsabre in that entire time.

maybe you were thinking thr brown line?
 

I picture atheltstan sitting at his computer, with his lip quivering as he wrote this post.

I live in Des Moines, it's a decent place. It's certainly not Minneapolis/St.Paul. Everything closes early, there are no pro sports teams (although the ORIGNIAL Barnstormers when they played in the big leagues of Arena Football were fun), and the weather is virtually the same as the Twin Cities.

Enjoy having a better football program now. At some point, all the breaks you got this season will turn around and Hawkeye fans will spend their Sunday nights crying to Keith Murphy on Sports Sound Off once again.
 

I'm quickly going to take issue with two things.

First, moron mcgee here thinks Iowa has a better program and this is not an argument. Depending on what side of the state line you support you either think: A, Minnesota's six national championships and hundred years + of history make us a pretty good program, B you've only been alive or interested in the last 20 years. At the very least this is a debate.

Second, as a Phd student in the arts I take great offense to your bizarre claim that Gopher fans don't take in our great cultural events. I not only take in them all, I know the directors, curators and board members who run them. And you can polish a turd all you want but Des Moines has no Broadway quality theater.

You clearly have no life and spend it trolling around other teams boards, nice culture.
 


Personally, I love it when visitors come over to our board, criticize the University and Minnesotans for some kind of elitist attitude, and then say things like "if it wasn't for needing another anti-slavery state, Minnesota would never have existed. It all would have been Wisconsin and Iowa."

I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one am looking forward to more enlightening revelations from our friends to the south. :cool:
 

I totally agree. This is a conundrum. I would say my staple used to be Frosty Flakes. However it makes me think of college, and when I think of college I think how poor I was. I mean I did go to a great school, and a lot of people were jealous of me. Yet I was still poor. Not poor enough not to be able to digest 3 bowls of frosty flakes a day. However I was too poor to eat a banana. If you got lucky and ate your frosty flakes quickly, you could generally get another bowl in using the same milk, and of course save some cash.

However, now when I buy frosty flakes I feel like I can do better. I think to myself, how long must you relive your days when living in a sty was okay. Now when I walk down the isle I'm always drawn to the rich man's Pebbles. Only a man of wealth could confidently eat a cereal with so many colors and that would use so much milk with each bite. Then reality sits in, or maybe just a bunch of commercials, but you start buying Honey Nut cheerios. You start asking random people if they lowered their cholesterol. I sometimes like to brag, even though that isn't very Minnesota nice. I do feel guilty and then try to apologize and offer to share a bowl of frosty flakes over a nice afternoon of smurfs and spiderman cartoons. But mostly they say sorry I'm going to the Gutherie again. I was going to go to the Ordway, but St. Paul is so confusing with those drunken irish streets. I don't mind I guess since I was heading over to Stages to catch a show with my family. I, generally, have to watch two-three shows a week just to be able to walk to the water cooler and not be embarrassed that I can't talk about the latest understudy. In fact I was listening to KFAN and they were ripping the Guthrie. Something about how people just talk about going, but never do. I guess I don't know what they said, b/c I just felt bad for them that nobody pays attention to them, so I just turned to the station while I was going to the restroom to take a Reusse.

Anyways my frosty flakes are soggy. Ergo this thread kind of sucks now.

Yeah I know what you mean, I had the same random thoughts. I liked the part about reusing the milk. I can totally identify, but I really made an effort to marry just the right amount of milk with cereal. I only feel successful if my last bite of cereal is also my last drop of milk. I feel badly about myself if I fail.
 

1) I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines.

2) The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa.

1) :cheer:

2) Whatever you have to tell yourself there Chief
 

I normally don't post on other boards, but as Popeye once said, "that's all I can stands, I can stand no more." Awhile back there was a topic on this board in which one of you walked into a bar and made some remark to a couple of people minding their own business who happened to be wearing Iowa sweatshirts. Then when they responded, the Minnesota dude's daughter made that very predictable comeback "how are the pro teams doing in Iowa this year?"

More recently I have been reading the usual dribble on this board about no cultural activities in Iowa, nothing to do there, lack of Fortune 500 companies, Iowa stinks, we hate Iowa, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Some of you obviously just don't get it. This board is about college football, and Iowa has a better program than you do (which doesn't mean that they will win Saturday). I could care less about the NFL, but if I did, I'd be a fan of the team of my choice. The state that I reside in would have nothing to do with my allegiance because I am smart enough to realize that Pro sports have little if anything to do with the state that they are located in.

Until the Twins and Vikings arrived, all pro franchises were named for the city of location. Calling them Minnesota whatever was just a brilliant marketing strategy. Pro teams are artificial in nature with their fake cheerleaders, stupid fight songs, and in many cases spoiled overindulged players. They have nothing to do with you except profit, and if you don't give them what they want, they will go some place else.

As for the rest of it, grow up. It makes you sound provincial and insecure. My guess is that most posters on this board have never been to the Guthrie Theatre, so don't give me the culture crap. I regularly attend Broadway quality theatre in Des Moines. The fact is that I can do almost everything that you can do without leaving Iowa, and if I can't, I do the same thing that you would do; I get in my car and go to where I can.

You see, state borders are simply political creations. Indeed, if it hadn't been for the desire to create another anti-slave state, there would never have been a Minnesota. Everything south and west of the Mississippi would have been Iowa, and the rest of it would have been Wisconsin. What all of this means is that its alright if you live in Minnesota and become a Hawkeye fan if the Brewster thing doesn't work out. Or you can persist with your "we wish we were Chicago" syndrome and try and make yourself feel better by putting other people down.

ha! living in or visiting des moines, iowa by choice.......that is like saying: "hey, i am going to eagan or maple grove for the weekend". essentially it means.....BIG F-ING WHOOP! :rolleyes:

p.s. no offense to our eagan or maple grove gophers friends here on GH, but you know what i mean!
 




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